Bounce is Your Friend on Partial Wedge Shots and Engaging the Turf Prior to the Ball is a Good Thing When Hitting Them

[GolfTurkey]

59 minutes ago, cav5 said:

Yes you have no clue. And no one’s reading this thread because of you. Must be fun to be a hangeron. 

Lol, what keeps these threads interesting is that you and your buddy keep us guessing as to whether you are trolling or are simply a sandwich short of a picnic.

 

You’re consistently infuriatingly incorrect with a suitably smug Dunning-Kruger attitude, which elicits responses to keep the threads going, so props for that I guess.

[cav5]

Some late night insights for those curious. H8rs and gurus welcome too! Some ninja sh*t happening

if you pay attention.

 

 

Need R2L back! Had to cut begin and end short for video size as I was just trying to just hit a shot but ended up talking to myself lol. Remember how you, where, and when you stress or don’t stress the shaft is everything when it comes to owning the ball. The rest is business and onions to peel away. 

 

User warning: my feels may be real, or maybe not? Only the gurus can tell you!!!

 

 

[PedronNiall]

7 hours ago, cav5 said:

lol my half inch carpet off hardwood has less forgivness than your mats. i put a video of it up and hit a 3 yard baby flop ground first as soft as you possibly could. I doubt you or any of the others can hit that shot. Hitting that shot takes 100% commitment of what you're doing. Hitting that shot early from 80 yards is a breeze in comparison.

 

why not let average golfers have a larger variance of attack angles by learning bounce. you'll stop hitting the real bad ones and the days that your mind (or markets) are syncing to blend the math with turf bounce loft yard etc.. then you capitalize. pretty fool proof to me.

So your newest hot take is that a teaching professional who has posted multiple videos showcasing his ability cannot pull off the mess you're recommending yet amateurs still trying to figure out the game who stumble onto this thread should take your & R2L's advice on technique? Advice such as 'entering the turf 6" behind the ball' or 2" or 1" that neither of you manage to demonstrate reliably in the videos you post? Advice that contradicts the physics involved in hitting a golf ball?

[vman]

If only Eugenio Saraceni were still alive to read this enlightenment of the bounce he created.

[getitdaily]

5 hours ago, cav5 said:

Some late night insights for those curious. H8rs and gurus welcome too! Some ninja sh*t happening

if you pay attention.

IMG_2938.mov 48.28 MB · 1 download  

 

Need R2L back! Had to cut begin and end short for video size as I was just trying to just hit a shot but ended up talking to myself lol. Remember how you, where, and when you stress or don’t stress the shaft is everything when it comes to owning the ball. The rest is business and onions to peel away. 

 

User warning: my feels may be real, or maybe not? Only the gurus can tell you!!!

 

 

 

 

[GoGoErky]

6 hours ago, GolfTurkey said:

Lol, what keeps these threads interesting is that you and your buddy keep us guessing as to whether you are trolling or are simply a sandwich short of a picnic.

 

You’re consistently infuriatingly incorrect with a suitably smug Dunning-Kruger attitude, which elicits responses to keep the threads going, so props for that I guess.

You know they lost the argument when the name calling starts or continues. First it the haters for disagreeing and now the hangerons.

 

Im sure I’ll get a name for pointing

this out 

[johnrobison]

15 hours ago, cav5 said:

im sure the 7k reading this thread are not interested in my spewing lol.

For starters, this spectacle of a thread has 7k views. Not 7k viewers. 🙄 

 

Those of us who remain committed to it are witness to a somewhat rare and stupefying event - the formation of a legendary thread. We're captivated by it, knowing that one day we'll be able to reflect back and say that we were there when it happened.

 

Edit: And I suspect I speak for a few others when I say that we're also amazed and impressed by Erik's patience and resilience.

Edited January 21, 2024 by johnrobison

[cav5]

Too

Some slomo stills of last nights video. Though something cool was going on. Need the golf physics data exchange to open on Sundays to measure.

 

Edited January 21, 2024 by cav5

[getitdaily]

1 minute ago, cav5 said:

If you throw it up in the air and catch it while it's spinning then you might be able to walk-on to a college twirlers team. 

[cav5]

Sounds like you have experience. Maybe you could replicate or show a 60* fringe runner.

[Shilgy]

1 hour ago, cav5 said:

Sounds like you have experience. Maybe you could replicate or show a 60* fringe runner.

Sounds like a bladed wedge to me….useful shot when on the fringe and back against the rough.

[getitdaily]

1 hour ago, cav5 said:

Sounds like you have experience. Maybe you could replicate or show a 60* fringe runner.

No need to show it. It's a basic shot that anyone who's a single digit should be able to do. 

 

The trail foot runner is literally short game 101.

[cav5]

This weeks troll is back!  not sure when I’ll get board of this. Probably next week when I get to FL and hit some Bermuda. First is the back foot edge of disaster shot. Middle would be the ideal way to perform it. Last is just more nip tuck floaters to nasty flags. 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2uFajQ8scA?feature=shared

 

 

[vman]

10 minutes ago, cav5 said:

This weeks troll is back!  not sure when I’ll get board of this. Probably next week when I get to FL and hit some Bermuda. First is the back foot edge of disaster shot. Middle would be the ideal way to perform it. Last is just more nip tuck floaters to nasty flags. 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2uFajQ8scA?feature=shared

 

 

Those shots are rugtastic.

[GoGoErky]

10 minutes ago, cav5 said:

This weeks troll is back!  not sure when I’ll get board of this. Probably next week when I get to FL and hit some Bermuda. First is the back foot edge of disaster shot. Middle would be the ideal way to perform it. Last is just more nip tuck floaters to nasty flags. 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2uFajQ8scA?feature=shared

 

 

It’s bored 

[virtuoso]

17 minutes ago, cav5 said:

This weeks troll is back!  not sure when I’ll get board of this. Probably next week when I get to FL and hit some Bermuda. First is the back foot edge of disaster shot. Middle would be the ideal way to perform it. Last is just more nip tuck floaters to nasty flags. 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2uFajQ8scA?feature=shared

 

 

What is this strange wizardry I’m watching?

[getitdaily]

25 minutes ago, virtuoso said:

What is this strange wizardry I’m watching?

It's his audition for the dude perfect trials.

Edited January 21, 2024 by getitdaily

[CSagan]

The vocal fry, the sauce, the legend. Gandalf on em.

 

 

 

[virtuoso]

9 minutes ago, CSagan said:

The vocal fry, the sauce, the legend. Gandalf on em.

 

 

 

I’m fascinated by the physics of it and ensorcelled by the magic. It’s like Cavdalf has visited upon us a priceless and rare gift…..and yet we mock.

[iacas]

13 hours ago, GolfTurkey said:

Lol, what keeps these threads interesting is that you and your buddy keep us guessing as to whether you are trolling or are simply a sandwich short of a picnic.

 

I'm going to vote "both."

 

13 hours ago, GolfTurkey said:

You’re consistently infuriatingly incorrect with a suitably smug Dunning-Kruger attitude, which elicits responses to keep the threads going, so props for that I guess.

 

Yep.

 

12 hours ago, PedronNiall said:

So your newest hot take is that a teaching professional who has posted multiple videos showcasing his ability cannot pull off the mess you're recommending yet amateurs still trying to figure out the game who stumble onto this thread should take your & R2L's advice on technique?

 

These are the kinds of knots he's twisted himself into. Great summary there.

 

12 hours ago, PedronNiall said:

Advice such as 'entering the turf 6" behind the ball' or 2" or 1" that neither of you manage to demonstrate reliably in the videos you post? Advice that contradicts the physics involved in hitting a golf ball?

 

Yep. Still hasn't overcome that.

 

6 hours ago, johnrobison said:

Edit: And I suspect I speak for a few others when I say that we're also amazed and impressed by Erik's patience and resilience.

 

It's mostly just boredom. 🙂

 

First take before Junior Elite this morning:

 

 

 

AoA on shots when I do this tends to be about -6°. Launch is typically around or just north of 60° depending on exactly what I'm trying to do, and spin is pretty low - this ball stops quickly via trajectory.

 

5 hours ago, cav5 said:

 

So, almost the opposite of what you were showing when you kicked the grip end out and the clubhead fell down. In that, we had two linear movements (the grip went a club length horizontally, the club head fell down a clubhead length vertically, with 90° of rotation plus the double translation. In this the grip is remaining in place and the clubhead is rotating around the grip, so we have 180° of rotation with no linear translation. You don't even know what you're posting anymore.

[Gsea]

3 hours ago, cav5 said:

This weeks troll is back!  not sure when I’ll get board of this. Probably next week when I get to FL and hit some Bermuda. First is the back foot edge of disaster shot. Middle would be the ideal way to perform it. Last is just more nip tuck floaters to nasty flags. 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2uFajQ8scA?feature=shared

 

 

this is getting old. how about a 100 yd shot hitting behind the ball using bounce otherwise you are pissing in the wind

[iacas]

While watching some LPGA Tour coverage, I thought I'd quickly put together a list of the things the duo have gotten wrong. I'll throw in some straw men or other things, and this list will not be comprehensive.

 

On 1/12/2024 at 1:28 PM, Righty to Lefty said:

Use the bounce people and engage the turf behind the ball  to make sure the leading edge gets below the equator of the ball.

 

I mean, if you have a crappy wedge built for duffers, that raises the leading edge off the ground half an inch or more when you open it up at all, you have to engage the turf well before the ball just to get the leading edge below the equator. You're not wrong there. Just really, really dumb to think that's how you should do that (or that you should open up a C3i).

 

On 1/12/2024 at 1:28 PM, Righty to Lefty said:

 

Still hasn't been addressed. Ball first, turf second. At worst, ball-and-turf simultaneously:

 

 

On 1/12/2024 at 11:28 PM, Righty to Lefty said:

I mean after I posted tour pros engaging the turf before the ball

 

Fact check: they almost never do this once they get far enough from the green that it's not a short shot. They aren't doing this from 90 yards, or 70. And they don't do this shot every time around the greens by any measure.

 

Also: 👨🏼‍🌾

 

On 1/12/2024 at 11:28 PM, Righty to Lefty said:

I mean if everything that I do is so dead wrong how did I ever get to a 5 handicap in under 2 years after switching from righty to lefty?

 

Fact check: #FeelAintReal.

 

On 1/13/2024 at 4:35 PM, cav5 said:

It’s actually more beneficial to use bounce on an overclubbed wedge say 50 to 120 than it is chipping.

 

Fact check: 🤣

 

On 1/13/2024 at 4:35 PM, cav5 said:

If you think you’re accessing pins on tiered flags with that amount of compression you’ll have no chance.

 

Fact check:

 

 

On 1/13/2024 at 4:35 PM, cav5 said:

thats something even the “pros” here I don’t think will disagree with. 

 

Fact check: (Narrator): they do, in fact, disagree with the vast majority of what you write.

 

On 1/13/2024 at 4:59 PM, cav5 said:

yes you obviously don’t know the difference if you don’t understand how a ball lands checks face versus bounce.

 

Fact check: one of many "sentences" (I'm using that term loosely) that make no sense. There are a lot of others, but I'll skip 'em.

 

On 1/14/2024 at 5:45 PM, cav5 said:

If you're using bounce correctly then by the iacas dudes definition you are just gliding, surfing what ever through the turf.

 

Fact check: lots of turf conditions don't allow you to "glide" through the turf. Muddy conditions, into the grain sometimes, different kinds of grasses… etc.

 

And that's to say nothing of the shot you're trying to hit not presenting launch conditions conducive to a "gliding" type of shot.

 

On 1/14/2024 at 5:45 PM, cav5 said:

Open your mind a little. By definition bounce removes the fat so again don't know what to tell you

 

Fact check: bounce does not "remove the fat." And it can introduce or enhance or increase the chances of a "bounced into thin."

 

On 1/14/2024 at 5:57 PM, cav5 said:

No one is saying you need to use bounce man. Pros are good. Rory has control of the loft he can do whatever he pleases. I just think he'd be better off using it.

 

Fact check: I'd post the video of Rory again, but… this might be the most Dunning-Kruger example in this entire topic, for you to suggest that someone who has been OWGR #1 for over 120 weeks should do what you're saying. Dude.

 

On 1/14/2024 at 5:57 PM, cav5 said:

Okay again just talking to talk. 140 is full. Too much spin so its not a playable shot if you can and are actually trying to break par each day. So yes, I knock the wedge open a little, enter turf a smidge before impact

 

Fact check: 🤣

 

On 1/14/2024 at 6:18 PM, cav5 said:

How does one chunk with proper use of the bounce?

 

Fact check: not all turf conditions mimic a carpet where you continually demonstrate hitting at most about 1/8" behind the ball. 😛 

 

On 1/14/2024 at 6:18 PM, cav5 said:

So you can use the bounce from 20 yards to not chunk, but the technology fails at 120?

 

Fact check: Uhhhh, yes, it fails at 120. The speed and launch conditions required to hit a ball 120 are quite different than they are to hit a ball 12.

 

On 1/14/2024 at 8:39 PM, cav5 said:

Really don’t care what the pros are doing. Doesnt mean it’s the best way.

 

Fact check: it doesn't, but when they're almost ALL doing it one way, and the players with the best short games do it the opposite way of what you suggest the majority of the time… the argument certainly doesn't BACK you up. It's evidence against you, not in support of you.

 

On 1/14/2024 at 8:39 PM, cav5 said:

Why would they even try this way if their instructors won’t even consider the idea. I’m the grifter tho lol.

 

Fact check: instructors have tried all sorts of methods. And so have these players as kids. They've arrived at the way they hit their shots not because they are "afraid to try" these methods, but because these methods are not as good as the methods they use.

 

On 1/14/2024 at 8:39 PM, cav5 said:

Would love to know the facts about why my way would be worse. My GEaRs are runninggggg

 

Fact check: these have been shared with you multiple times, which is probably why you've started talking about 3-yard shots; to distract everyone from the fact that you said you should do this with shots out to 120.

 

On 1/14/2024 at 8:42 PM, cav5 said:

Okay so you admit you don’t know how bounce works? The point of it’s correct application is it won’t dig. Literally what science are you using? 

 

Fact check: bounce can dig and lead to fat shots, too, given certain turf conditions. You cannot "use the bounce" on every shot.

 

On 1/14/2024 at 8:56 PM, cav5 said:

Is -8 enough. It’s not fat if you use bounce dude.

 

Fact check: you can in fact hit the ball "fat" (and thin) by "using the bounce dude."

 

On 1/14/2024 at 8:56 PM, cav5 said:

Own the technique then you get margin of error without having to have your low point perfectly precise. 

 

Fact check: the opposite is often more true:

 

 

On 1/14/2024 at 9:49 PM, cav5 said:

140 is ball first. Its very close to what you mean by skimming but if you fully engage bounce and get the math right you don't have to manage you attack angle so diligently…

 

Fact check: see above.

 

On 1/14/2024 at 9:53 PM, cav5 said:

Also a lot of these modern wedges lower the leading edge as you open it

 

Fact check: nope.

 

On 1/14/2024 at 11:20 PM, cav5 said:

If you open his wedge there is 40* of bounce.

 

Fact check: that's not how anyone measures bounce, and if you did open it that much, the leading edge won't get anywhere near low enough unless the ball is on a tee. 😛 

 

On 1/14/2024 at 11:22 PM, cav5 said:

Sorry if not clear. Full shot is always ball first. As you open and remove lean you will lower the flight.

 

Fact check: nope. The opposite.

 

On 1/15/2024 at 10:28 AM, cav5 said:

I'm not ignoring physics.

 

Fact check: yes, you are. See immediately above.

 

On 1/15/2024 at 10:28 AM, cav5 said:

You and your buddies need all these models and measurements to understand physics.

 

Fact check: FTFY.

 

On 1/15/2024 at 10:28 AM, cav5 said:

I have plenty of ppl interested in figuring this out in my PMs.

 

Fact check: 🤣 Suuuuuure you do. (Maybe his definition of "plenty" is like two, and those people are just playing along for now to amuse themselves.)

 

On 1/15/2024 at 10:28 AM, cav5 said:

You don't need to enter 6inches back. The only time he's doing that is flopping to a pin 15feet in front of him.

 

Fact check: unlikely he's doing it even then.

 

On 1/15/2024 at 10:28 AM, cav5 said:

 

Fact check: leading edge is above the equator of the ball.

 

 

On 1/15/2024 at 10:43 AM, cav5 said:

And lastly, for the last time you enter the ground early with the bounce.

 

Fact check: you do not in fact do this from 120 yards.

 

On 1/15/2024 at 12:53 PM, cav5 said:

I didn't read any of that. I'm out tho, PM me if need help.

 

Fact check: (Narrator:) He was, in fact, not out tho. And he's yet to respond to any of the issues raised against him by that post, of which there were several.

 

On 1/18/2024 at 1:46 PM, cav5 said:

Most likely he's taking his most lofted club opening it and getting in a few inches before impact.

 

Fact check: "a few" is ≥ 2", and that's highly unlikely on many turf conditions.

 

On 1/18/2024 at 1:46 PM, cav5 said:

One atleast big and slow enough for him to have the shaft untorqued and rotating around clubhead COG.

 

Fact check: the shaft does not rotate round the clubhead COG (or the club's COG).

 

On 1/18/2024 at 2:31 PM, cav5 said:

Just try to beat up this part of the face like BH mentioned. 
 

 

Fact check: you can hit it low on the face even if you deliver no bounce and less loft. See the image above.

 

On 1/18/2024 at 2:56 PM, cav5 said:

I understand but the he's just applying the concept everywhere. Its calculating for the shot and doing the same thing. I get you're not a fan of it but there isn't more I can say. He doesn't look at it differently than any other shot. His practice you could say would be universal. But you'd need to practice how to hit normal shots 5-10-15 etc yards too.

 

Much more than than we are just using analogies. I'd say bend. Anything else and I'm giving up my secrets!

 

Fact check: you, in fact, have no secrets. 🤣

 

On 1/18/2024 at 3:11 PM, cav5 said:

If you bend the shaft you can no longer rotate it around the clubs COG. You tell me..

 

Fact check: the club does not rotate around the club (or clubhead's) COG.

 

On 1/18/2024 at 3:11 PM, cav5 said:

Maybe you understand why I do not care to go down the physics and measurements conversations lol

 

Because you don't understand them in the slightest.

 

On 1/18/2024 at 8:54 PM, cav5 said:

Remember there are things we cannot see.

 

Fact check: we can see them given the right equipment.

 

On 1/18/2024 at 9:21 PM, cav5 said:

You do not know what to measure. And there isn't anything out there that will.

 

Fact check: there are in fact things that will measure or calculate anything going on here.

 

On 1/18/2024 at 8:54 PM, cav5 said:

Handle is traveling/rotating to a pinned clubhead which it seeks to rotate around.

 

Fact check: the handle does not rotate around the clubhead. The opposite is closer to accurate.

 

On 1/19/2024 at 11:30 AM, cav5 said:

No problem with data.

 

Fact check: Data has a problem with you.

 

On 1/19/2024 at 11:30 AM, cav5 said:

Let’s open and raise the leading edge again even more. Engage the turf more with more speed. Increase spin and lower flight.

 

Fact check: once again the opposite is most often more accurate: open face = more loft = less spin, higher flight.

 

On 1/19/2024 at 11:31 AM, cav5 said:

No just people who measure swings with a disregard for the basic laws of physics and count in your inability to know any better to sell knowledge on accreditation

 

Fact check: measurements don't "disregard the laws of physics." You do.

 

On 1/20/2024 at 10:52 AM, cav5 said:

50-70 lol that’s easy. Atleast at 120 I’m close to the brink of torquing it too much. You’ve never hit a 40 yard bunker shot with a 9 iron? You really think I can’t that with a 54* from the fairway? Ok!

 

Fact check: bunkers ≠ fairway turf. Nor are people generally super accurate with distance control fatting a 9I out of a bunker from 40 yards. Tour players aren't as accurate from bunkers at any distance (despite having consistent bunker conditions week to week) as they are from the fairway where they often catch the ball cleanly. Proposing that hitting a shot "a few" inches behind the ball from turf is the crux of the disagreement, and a thing on which you're just simply wrong the vast majority of the time.

 

22 hours ago, cav5 said:

I haven’t spent thousands of hours reading and learning and applying.

 

Fact check: questionable whether you've "learned" much of anything.

 

22 hours ago, cav5 said:

im sure the 7k reading this thread

 

Fact check: 7k views ≠ 7k viewers. And I might be 500 of those. 😉 

 

22 hours ago, cav5 said:

You 100% can hit 6in behind the ball if the loft bounce yardage and turf give allow for it.

 

Fact check: 👨🏼‍🌾. Nobody's said this shot is impossible. Just that it's not likely, and it's not the best way to hit a lot of shots, and it's DEFINITELY not what you do from 120.

 

And it's not what anyone good is is ever actually trying to do (not 6", not even 4", even rarely 2").

 

22 hours ago, cav5 said:

Your goal is to break even on each shot worst case scenario.

 

Fact check: that is not everyone's goal on each shot.

 

22 hours ago, cav5 said:

I doubt you or any of the others can hit that shot.

 

Fact check: I can hit that shot, and just about any other shot you can imagine. I've hit shots where the ball flies over my left shoulder because the face projects the ball in that direction, and i've hit shots where the ball hits the TOP of the clubhead with a positive AoA, flies less than a foot up with a launch angle in the 80° range, and lands six inches in front of where it sat.

 

I've even done some of these at 12,000 frames per second.

 

Also, as was pointed out, I love the fact that you've talked yourself into such a pretzel that "you can't even hit that shot" and "this lets you break even worst case because it's forgiving" are talking about the same shot.

 

Okay, that was "fun."

 

(Fact check: okay, it wasn't "fun" at all, but it did give me something to do while watching the LPGA event.)

[Shilgy]

3 hours ago, virtuoso said:

I’m fascinated by the physics of it and ensorcelled by the magic. It’s like Cavdalf has visited upon us a priceless and rare gift…..and yet we mock.

Yeah,  he mentioned he’s on the way to Florida…..

 

Must be a family reunion.😎

 

[PedronNiall]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

While watching some LPGA Tour coverage, I thought I'd quickly put together a list of the things the duo have gotten wrong. I'll throw in some straw men or other things, and this list will not be comprehensive.

 

 

I mean, if you have a crappy wedge built for duffers, that raises the leading edge off the ground half an inch or more when you open it up at all, you have to engage the turf well before the ball just to get the leading edge below the equator. You're not wrong there. Just really, really dumb to think that's how you should do that (or that you should open up a C3i).

 

 

Still hasn't been addressed. Ball first, turf second. At worst, ball-and-turf simultaneously:

 

 

 

Fact check: they almost never do this once they get far enough from the green that it's not a short shot. They aren't doing this from 90 yards, or 70. And they don't do this shot every time around the greens by any measure.

 

Also: 👨🏼‍🌾

 

 

Fact check: #FeelAintReal.

 

 

Fact check: 🤣

 

 

Fact check:

 

 

 

Fact check: (Narrator): they do, in fact, disagree with the vast majority of what you write.

 

 

Fact check: one of many "sentences" (I'm using that term loosely) that make no sense. There are a lot of others, but I'll skip 'em.

 

 

Fact check: lots of turf conditions don't allow you to "glide" through the turf. Muddy conditions, into the grain sometimes, different kinds of grasses… etc.

 

And that's to say nothing of the shot you're trying to hit not presenting launch conditions conducive to a "gliding" type of shot.

 

 

Fact check: bounce does not "remove the fat." And it can introduce or enhance or increase the chances of a "bounced into thin."

 

 

Fact check: I'd post the video of Rory again, but… this might be the most Dunning-Kruger example in this entire topic, for you to suggest that someone who has been OWGR #1 for over 120 weeks should do what you're saying. Dude.

 

 

Fact check: 🤣

 

 

Fact check: not all turf conditions mimic a carpet where you continually demonstrate hitting at most about 1/8" behind the ball. 😛 

 

 

Fact check: Uhhhh, yes, it fails at 120. The speed and launch conditions required to hit a ball 120 are quite different than they are to hit a ball 12.

 

 

Fact check: it doesn't, but when they're almost ALL doing it one way, and the players with the best short games do it the opposite way of what you suggest the majority of the time… the argument certainly doesn't BACK you up. It's evidence against you, not in support of you.

 

 

Fact check: instructors have tried all sorts of methods. And so have these players as kids. They've arrived at the way they hit their shots not because they are "afraid to try" these methods, but because these methods are not as good as the methods they use.

 

 

Fact check: these have been shared with you multiple times, which is probably why you've started talking about 3-yard shots; to distract everyone from the fact that you said you should do this with shots out to 120.

 

 

Fact check: bounce can dig and lead to fat shots, too, given certain turf conditions. You cannot "use the bounce" on every shot.

 

 

Fact check: you can in fact hit the ball "fat" (and thin) by "using the bounce dude."

 

 

Fact check: the opposite is often more true:

 

 

 

Fact check: see above.

 

 

Fact check: nope.

 

 

Fact check: that's not how anyone measures bounce, and if you did open it that much, the leading edge won't get anywhere near low enough unless the ball is on a tee. 😛 

 

 

Fact check: nope. The opposite.

 

 

Fact check: yes, you are. See immediately above.

 

 

Fact check: FTFY.

 

 

Fact check: 🤣 Suuuuuure you do. (Maybe his definition of "plenty" is like two, and those people are just playing along for now to amuse themselves.)

 

 

Fact check: unlikely he's doing it even then.

 

 

Fact check: leading edge is above the equator of the ball.

 

 

 

Fact check: you do not in fact do this from 120 yards.

 

 

Fact check: (Narrator:) He was, in fact, not out tho. And he's yet to respond to any of the issues raised against him by that post, of which there were several.

 

 

Fact check: "a few" is ≥ 2", and that's highly unlikely on many turf conditions.

 

 

Fact check: the shaft does not rotate round the clubhead COG (or the club's COG).

 

 

Fact check: you can hit it low on the face even if you deliver no bounce and less loft. See the image above.

 

 

Fact check: you, in fact, have no secrets. 🤣

 

 

Fact check: the club does not rotate around the club (or clubhead's) COG.

 

 

Because you don't understand them in the slightest.

 

 

Fact check: we can see them given the right equipment.

 

 

Fact check: there are in fact things that will measure or calculate anything going on here.

 

 

Fact check: the handle does not rotate around the clubhead. The opposite is closer to accurate.

 

 

Fact check: Data has a problem with you.

 

 

Fact check: once again the opposite is most often more accurate: open face = more loft = less spin, higher flight.

 

 

Fact check: measurements don't "disregard the laws of physics." You do.

 

 

Fact check: bunkers ≠ fairway turf. Nor are people generally super accurate with distance control fatting a 9I out of a bunker from 40 yards. Tour players aren't as accurate from bunkers at any distance (despite having consistent bunker conditions week to week) as they are from the fairway where they often catch the ball cleanly. Proposing that hitting a shot "a few" inches behind the ball from turf is the crux of the disagreement, and a thing on which you're just simply wrong the vast majority of the time.

 

 

Fact check: questionable whether you've "learned" much of anything.

 

 

Fact check: 7k views ≠ 7k viewers. And I might be 500 of those. 😉 

 

 

Fact check: 👨🏼‍🌾. Nobody's said this shot is impossible. Just that it's not likely, and it's not the best way to hit a lot of shots, and it's DEFINITELY not what you do from 120.

 

And it's not what anyone good is is ever actually trying to do (not 6", not even 4", even rarely 2").

 

 

Fact check: that is not everyone's goal on each shot.

 

 

Fact check: I can hit that shot, and just about any other shot you can imagine. I've hit shots where the ball flies over my left shoulder because the face projects the ball in that direction, and i've hit shots where the ball hits the TOP of the clubhead with a positive AoA, flies less than a foot up with a launch angle in the 80° range, and lands six inches in front of where it sat.

 

I've even done some of these at 12,000 frames per second.

 

Also, as was pointed out, I love the fact that you've talked yourself into such a pretzel that "you can't even hit that shot" and "this lets you break even worst case because it's forgiving" are talking about the same shot.

 

Okay, that was "fun."

 

(Fact check: okay, it wasn't "fun" at all, but it did give me something to do while watching the LPGA event.)

[GolfTurkey]

On 1/15/2024 at 12:13 PM, cav5 said:

Man I'm a sandbagger too. All that work with R2L and went to +3. I need to update 😃

 

  

On 1/21/2024 at 9:07 AM, cav5 said:

You’re right I’ve only self taught myself from a 4 to plus 4 at one point.

 

 

Ok, profile says +2, a week ago R2L coached him to a +3 and now he self-taught himself to a +4 at some point.

 

I look forward to hearing about the multiple major championship titles in a few weeks' time.

[Deadaimz]

"I've even done some of these at 12,000 frames per second." 

 Taking away that shaft lean sure made that ball spin.

[dwboston]

That doesn't look the living/family room of an expert trader.  Surely there's a futon lurking just out of frame.

[cav5]

11 hours ago, dwboston said:

That doesn't look the living/family room of an expert trader.  Surely there's a futon lurking just out of frame.

 

hahaha now thats funny! But again iacas posts and I don't read. Changing my name to FeelisReel.

[cav5]

13 hours ago, GolfTurkey said:

 

  

 

Ok, profile says +2, a week ago R2L coached him to a +3 and now he self-taught himself to a +4 at some point.

 

I look forward to hearing about the multiple major championship titles in a few weeks' time.

 

You sound mad bro. 73% of the time par or better this year. I didn't shoot par until after college, didn't break 70 until I was 26, didn't get to a plus cap until 30 and have shot below 65 in tournaments 5x. Would you like a piece of those results? Not bad working full time.

 

Believe it or not when you break 65 twice in the same week and the majority of your other scores are under par you will drop to a +4. Some huge variance between +2 and +4 I'm not seeing?

 

 

Edited January 22, 2024 by cav5

[iacas]

2 hours ago, cav5 said:

hahaha now thats funny! But again iacas posts and I don't read. Changing my name to FeelisReel.

Others have and will, and they’ll know how foolish your posts have been. I can live with that.

 

Edited January 22, 2024 by iacas