Bounce is Your Friend on Partial Wedge Shots and Engaging the Turf Prior to the Ball is a Good Thing When Hitting Them

[iacas]

4 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

I’m a tournament plus handicap and all I talk about is how many different things I struggle with.

 

I struggle with driver

Need to get better with wedges

Get a little nervy on tight lie pitches 

Don’t make near enough putts from 10-20 feet

 

I hit like two solid shots a round. Went up to maybe 3 when I was a +2.4.

 

I've seen a ton of 10s, though, who will claim to be "great ball strikers" who just lose all their shots to the mental game and a poor short game or putting. 🤣

[MonteScheinblum]

47 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

I hit like two solid shots a round. Went up to maybe 3 when I was a +2.4.

 

I've seen a ton of 10s, though, who will claim to be "great ball strikers" who just lose all their shots to the mental game and a poor short game or putting. 🤣

I love those rounds.

 

I made it through a Pre Q for a champions tour event.  In the Monday I missed by 1.

 

The best shot I hit all day was I actually hit the green from 100 yards on hole 11.

[CSagan]

Yeah my best tourney round ever was a day of thinned iron shots lol. All day. Thin to win! 

[rooski]

No wonder I can't get this driver to work it's got almost 70* of bounce 

 

Edited January 29, 2024 by rooski

[iacas]

Just now, rooski said:

No wonder I can't get this driver to work it's got almost 70* of bounce 

 

 

Dang, mate. Plus it's got less than 94° of loft. How you gonna get high launch, low spin to hit those seeds?

 

Phil knows.

 

[betarhoalphadelta]

10 hours ago, rooski said:

No wonder I can't get this driver to work it's got almost 70* of bounce 

 

 

Nah, you just have to hit about 12" behind the ball for that one. But don't worry, it'll work!

[Righty to Lefty]

On 1/28/2024 at 8:05 PM, swh0507 said:

You must be the most over confident 5 HC I have ever seen, I'll give you that. I am a 2 and would never claim to have all the shots and be able to execute everything on command like you say you can. 

 

Maybe if you actually listened to someone other than yourself or your echo chamber buddy, you could improve on that HC.

I got down to a 5 while getting to play only about 30 rounds per year because I lived/ worked in Iraq. Impact doesn't care who is hitting the shot and I can hit any shot that I want to on command, as can anyone if you truly understand impact. That being said there is not substitute for playing rounds on course and I hope to make up for lost time now that I am done working overseas.  

 

I assure you that I can talk you into hitting any shot that you want..I do it all the time...did it with a +3 handicap @cav5 to a rank beginner, my Son.  It is not cocky, because golf will still humble you/me because the true mark of a good golfer is the ability to do what I call "relentlessly repeat." By that I mean @cav5 said he couldn't hit a fade, in real time on course I set him up to hit a fade into a driveable par 4 after he told me where he wanted to start the shot. He then hit a beautiful power fade that almost made it to the green. He then battered me the rest of the round hitting the shot because he quickly burned it into his memory banks.  Conversely my Son is a rank beginner and on the range he absolutely pounds golf balls, and I can help him hit whatever shot he wants, but when we get on course he is completely lost when he has to make the decisions for himself.   I of course am some where in between these two extremes but the fact is that there is only one point along your swing arc that matches your intentions and the ball must be present at that location and this is true for everyone. 

 

I played right and left handed and that really opened up my eyes as to what really matters if you want to speed up and steepen your learning curve in golf and I am thankful for that lesson. I am a high speed player left handed, and an average speed player right handed and the swing motion feels completely different right and left handed and that taught me a lot.  If I was on the same pace that I was when I played right handed, I would have just broken 90 left handed recently, which took me 6 years right handed. It took me 6 months left handed.  I don't think I am special as this information sits in plain sight if you are paying attention. I also encourage anyone to go out and test what I say and report back with their findings and questions, but anyone that is on here name calling and talking down are just a distraction.  

[Righty to Lefty]

On 1/28/2024 at 8:48 PM, iacas said:

 

I hit like two solid shots a round. Went up to maybe 3 when I was a +2.4.

 

I've seen a ton of 10s, though, who will claim to be "great ball strikers" who just lose all their shots to the mental game and a poor short game or putting. 🤣

You have said this before and I remember doing a double take when I read it.  I remember I played with a pro in Kuwait one time after having not played a round of golf in 3 months.  I shot 84, and was levering just about every shot, it's just that my aim was off so I knew inside that I could clean it up. I shot 75 the next round. Meanwhile he shot 3 over and was losing his sanity because he couldn't find the middle of the face, though he managed to still shoot a descent score. His words after the round were, "I shot a score but inside I know it won't stand up over time because of how bad my strike was." When you say solid, are you talking all shots except for putts?  I would quit golf if I hit only three solid shots a round. I am sincerely sorry. Genuinely curious. 

[Righty to Lefty]

On 1/28/2024 at 8:47 PM, Avidswampthing66 said:

Bounce is your friend out of the bunker.  

A normal pitch or chip, yes I open the blade some and I do use the bounce but only after I make contact with the ball.  The only way I'm bouncing into the ball is by accidentally blading it.   Chipping is not an exact science.  There are different shots and different methods for a variety of grasses and outcomes.  The short game is my favorite part of the game and though, I think you have good intentions, you do not have the skill set to make such bold claims.  Two professionals have addressed this.  Just not sure what you're trying to do here.

If you strike ball first, the bounce was not used...that is the flaw in your logic and understanding.  Bounce/ sole configuration is an insurance policy on all your clubs, except for wedges where it is supposed to be used.  

 

What about this professional club designer and touring professional (2 professionals...see how I did that!) addressing the subject. (13:21 Timestamp): 

 

 

[Avidswampthing66]

2 minutes ago, Righty to Lefty said:

If you strike ball first, the bounce was not used...that is the flaw in your logic and understanding.  Bounce/ sole configuration is an insurance policy on all your clubs, except for wedges where it is supposed to be used.  

 

What about this professional club designer and touring professional (2 professionals...see how I did that!) addressing the subject. (13:21 Timestamp): 

 

 

Sometimes, I guess bounce is your friend.   

[Righty to Lefty]

1 minute ago, Avidswampthing66 said:

Sometimes, I guess bounce is your friend.   

Yes it is!! 

[iacas]

17 minutes ago, Righty to Lefty said:

When you say solid, are you talking all shots except for putts?  I would quit golf if I hit only three solid shots a round. I am sincerely sorry. Genuinely curious. 

 

The simple answer is that my definition of solid is most likely a heckuva lot different than yours. And no, I'm not talking about my putting.

[MonteScheinblum]

2 hours ago, iacas said:

 

The simple answer is that my definition of solid is most likely a heckuva lot different than yours. And no, I'm not talking about my putting.

There are so many posts on this forum and my social media that hope to God that person is not serious and just trolling….. for their sake.  

[GolfTurkey]

9 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

There are so many posts on this forum and my social media that hope to God that person is not serious and just trolling….. for their sake.  

 

When you don't think 2024 can get any more bizarre...it does!

[GolfTurkey]

On 1/29/2024 at 12:05 PM, swh0507 said:

You must be the most over confident 5 HC I have ever seen, I'll give you that.

 

3 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

< Proves that swh0507's comment was an understatement >

[johnrobison]

10 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

golf will still humble you/me

 

10 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

I would quit golf if I hit only three solid shots a round.

 

[DShepley]

10 hours ago, iacas said:

 

The simple answer is that my definition of solid is most likely a heckuva lot different than yours. And no, I'm not talking about my putting.

To be fair, everything on a Super Game Improvement club feels solid....I don't think you can even tell the difference between one you catch on the forehead vs one you catch in the middle.  Another case of 'feel ain't reel'

[Shilgy]

11 hours ago, iacas said:

 

The simple answer is that my definition of solid is most likely a heckuva lot different than yours. And no, I'm not talking about my putting.

Guessing it’s different than Hogan’s view as well.  Best ballstriker ever, well before R2L , and he said he hit maybe three shots per round exactly as he planned them.

[MattC555]

I shot 69 yesterday (par 72).  I recall one drive I would consider dead solid perfect.  I did hit an absolutely perfect 8 iron....warming up on the range...  

[iacas]

22 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

Guessing it’s different than Hogan’s view as well.  Best ballstriker ever, well before R2L , and he said he hit maybe three shots per round exactly as he planned them.

 

Undoubtedly. I'm guessing that my definition of "solid" is closer to Hogan's than R2L's is.

 

I sometimes test myself on GEARS (which will show impact locations to the tenth of a millimeter), and I'm often awfully close at knowing where I struck a ball.

 

I practice with Nike VRIIs, and typically play either Apex MBs (2018) or Miura Tournament Blades. I like knowing if I slightly mis-hit it.

 

3 minutes ago, MattC555 said:

I shot 69 yesterday (par 72).  I recall one drive I would consider dead solid perfect.  I did hit an absolutely perfect 8 iron....warming up on the range...  

 

I still remember a 4I I hit off a slightly sidehill lie almost 19 years ago. Tiger still calls the 3I he hit out of the bunker at Hazeltine.

 

[Shilgy]

38 minutes ago, iacas said:

 

Undoubtedly. I'm guessing that my definition of "solid" is closer to Hogan's than R2L's is.

 

I sometimes test myself on GEARS (which will show impact locations to the tenth of a millimeter), and I'm often awfully close at knowing where I struck a ball.

 

I practice with Nike VRIIs, and typically play either Apex MBs (2018) or Miura Tournament Blades. I like knowing if I slightly mis-hit it.

 

 

I still remember a 4I I hit off a slightly sidehill lie almost 19 years ago. Tiger still calls the 3I he hit out of the bunker at Hazeltine.

 

Or….he’s stated…many times….or the phrase “ad nauseum” comes to mind…that he can hit any shot on demand.

 

We’re all thinking that mean hit it on the screws with the desired flight, shape, distance, direction.

 

He probably means he can hit any shot on demand….fade or draw. That is a much lower bar than our definition.

 

All done while contacting the turf 6” behind the ball of course.

[Gsea]

11 minutes ago, Shilgy said:

All done while contacting the turf 6” behind the ball of course.

all patiently waiting for @Righty to Lefty or @cav5 to show us that video of the 100yd wedge shot contacting the ball 6" behind using the bounce.

If it isn't a face on video it will b meaningless as far as contact

[iacas]

14 minutes ago, Gsea said:

all patiently waiting for @Righty to Lefty or @cav5 to show us that video of the 100yd wedge shot contacting the ball 6" behind using the bounce.

If it isn't a face on video it will b meaningless as far as contact

 

You're going to be waiting awhile. Even 2" isn't gonna happen.

 

Like I said, I've hit the ground 2" behind the ball and hit it 80 yards or 90 yards. It's when I was trying to hit it 180.

[Sean124]

13 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

You have said this before and I remember doing a double take when I read it.  I remember I played with a pro in Kuwait one time after having not played a round of golf in 3 months.  I shot 84, and was levering just about every shot, it's just that my aim was off so I knew inside that I could clean it up. I shot 75 the next round. Meanwhile he shot 3 over and was losing his sanity because he couldn't find the middle of the face, though he managed to still shoot a descent score. His words after the round were, "I shot a score but inside I know it won't stand up over time because of how bad my strike was." When you say solid, are you talking all shots except for putts?  I would quit golf if I hit only three solid shots a round. I am sincerely sorry. Genuinely curious. 

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle. 

[Shilgy]

6 hours ago, Sean124 said:

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle. 

Wow Sean!  You are truly a patient man.🤣

[jonsnow]

1 hour ago, Shilgy said:

Wow Sean!  You are truly a patient man.🤣

I think he meant middle finger…

[Righty to Lefty]

22 hours ago, iacas said:

 

The simple answer is that my definition of solid is most likely a heckuva lot different than yours. And no, I'm not talking about my putting.

Please expound. Can a robot be setup to hit the ball perfect even?  I measure every shot that I hit in the exact same way.  

 

1. Strike quality....I expect to lever every shot that I hit from a 1 inch putt to a 330 yard drive. 

2. Start direction....demonstrates command of the club face

3. Curvature....demonstrates command of the club plane

4. Distance traveled in relation to my intentions....demonstrates command of the amount of speed injected into the shot.  

 

There is nothing else to demand out of any given shot if these things are intact. The only thing left is to develop a baseline physically so that hopefully I can relentlessly repeat a given shot.  

 

10 hours ago, Gsea said:

all patiently waiting for @Righty to Lefty or @cav5 to show us that video of the 100yd wedge shot contacting the ball 6" behind using the bounce.

If it isn't a face on video it will b meaningless as far as contact

I don't hit six inches behind the ball unless I have the face wide open and am hitting a flop shot.  The less bounce I expose the closer to the ball I engage the turf. 

 

This is maxed out pretty much: 

But thinking about it...I bet the shot you are wanting to see is possible using a pitching wedge or a 9 iron laid as open as possible. 

 

10 hours ago, Sean124 said:

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle. 

It that a good or a bad thing?!! I'm seriously not sure!!

[PedronNiall]

2 hours ago, Righty to Lefty said:

Please expound. Can a robot be setup to hit the ball perfect even?  I measure every shot that I hit in the exact same way.  

 

1. Strike quality....I expect to lever every shot that I hit from a 1 inch putt to a 330 yard drive. 

2. Start direction....demonstrates command of the club face

3. Curvature....demonstrates command of the club plane

4. Distance traveled in relation to my intentions....demonstrates command of the amount of speed injected into the shot.  

 

There is nothing else to demand out of any given shot if these things are intact. The only thing left is to develop a baseline physically so that hopefully I can relentlessly repeat a given shot.  

 

I don't hit six inches behind the ball unless I have the face wide open and am hitting a flop shot.  The less bounce I expose the closer to the ball I engage the turf. 

 

This is maxed out pretty much: 

But thinking about it...I bet the shot you are wanting to see is possible using a pitching wedge or a 9 iron laid as open as possible. 

 

It that a good or a bad thing?!! I'm seriously not sure!!

That's you replicating the vid iacas posted of what using the bounce to hit multiple balls at once should look like? One of your balls flew off and knee capped a spectator. The other started to the right so hard it's evident even in that tiny field of view. I'm unclear what we're looking at here other than shenanigans & boredom.

[JayMas]

We need content flags/filters for R2L.

 

"Warning this post again claims hitting 6 inches behind the ball does x, but has not once shown that, except maybe on a carpet inside his home, do not take seriously."

[Valtiel]

14 hours ago, Sean124 said:

My days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle.