Pressure shift to lead side, conscious move?

[iacas]

1 minute ago, PedronNiall said:

Vertical drop, horizontal tug. Looks to me like he was sitting on a bench just down the range from Larry. 

 

I didn't see him anywhere.

 

Gotta run. I think the chef didn't use my eggs.

[MonteScheinblum]

On 3/20/2024 at 7:25 AM, GungHoGolf said:

If he came to you as a 4 cap with inconsistent ball striking, would you try to tone down that 10-12” forward slide? Or is that a viable/desirable pattern that could help a lot of ams?

 

Asked another way: do you see more problems from too little forward slide, or not enough?

 

This is fascinating to me, because we’re looking at the world’s current best ball striker, and he seems to be an outlier on the hip slide spectrum.

 

You only make changes to affect ball flight.  You don’t chase looks or numbers.  Those things are a reference point.

[Bogeyman_MD]

On 3/20/2024 at 2:01 AM, MonteScheinblum said:

That’s why his rear foot slides so much.  Every good player puts that force on the right foot, but it’s so unweighted, it flies back. 

Could you clarify a bit for me please? Does this mean Scottie does push off with his right for his shift? You mentioned on the first page  you didn’t like that idea. For some reason I’ve been struggling with my shift as of late and trying to understand how to best correct it.

 

Edited March 22, 2024 by Mike412

[KMeloney]

1 hour ago, Mike412 said:

Could you clarify a bit for me please? Does this mean Scottie does push off with his right for his shift? You mentioned on the first page  you didn’t like that idea. For some reason I’ve been struggling with my shift as of late and trying to understand how to best correct it.

 

 

You can get that weight into your rear foot, and then shift into your front side such that the rear foot become unweighted and gets pulled along for the ride. Think about how a hockey player hits a slap shot off his front leg while his rear leg flies out behind him and goal-ward.

 

Pushing off of the rear foot would mean that you'd be putting pressure into the ground with that foot (in order to do the pushing), which means that it's the opposite of unweighted at that moment.

Edited March 22, 2024 by KMeloney

[CSagan]

 

[MonteScheinblum]

2 hours ago, Mike412 said:

Could you clarify a bit for me please? Does this mean Scottie does push off with his right for his shift? You mentioned on the first page  you didn’t like that idea. For some reason I’ve been struggling with my shift as of late and trying to understand how to best correct it.

 

He’s pushing off the left foot.  He gets his pressure left early and more than most.  All good players put that slide force on the back foot

[Bogeyman_MD]

12 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

He’s pushing off the left foot.  He gets his pressure left early and more than most.  All good players put that slide force on the back foot

So you’re saying he puts “slide force” into the trail foot early to shift horizontally and then “push off” vertically with the lead foot? Or maybe I should ask what exactly you mean by slide force?

 

Sorry for derailing an intelligent conversation with stupid questions lol.

[Bogeyman_MD]

1 hour ago, KMeloney said:

 

You can get that weight into your rear foot, and then shift into your front side such that the rear foot become unweighted and gets pulled along for the ride. Think about how a hockey player hits a slap shot off his front leg while his rear leg flies out behind him and goal-ward.

 

Pushing off of the rear foot would mean that you'd be putting pressure into the ground with that foot (in order to do the pushing), which means that it's the opposite of unweighted at that moment.

Interesting. It almost sounds like it would be difficult to get too much weight off the back foot too early in the shift.

 

Edited March 22, 2024 by Mike412

[MonteScheinblum]

11 minutes ago, Mike412 said:

So you’re saying he puts “slide force” into the trail foot early to shift horizontally and then “push off” vertically with the lead foot? Or maybe I should ask what exactly you mean by slide force?

 

Sorry for derailing an intelligent conversation with stupid questions lol.

Harrington just made a video on exactly what you said.

[Bogeyman_MD]

34 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Harrington just made a video on exactly what you said.

Okay, I’ll check it out. Thank you!

[iacas]

1 hour ago, Mike412 said:

So you’re saying he puts “slide force” into the trail foot early to shift horizontally and then “push off” vertically with the lead foot? Or maybe I should ask what exactly you mean by slide force?

 

Most good players don't "push" much with the trail leg, almost none by extending the knee during the late backswing/early downswing, and few by abducting the trail leg. You can move your pelvis forward in other ways, including using gravity a bit (by shortening the left leg, which it's already doing almost the entire backswing), or by using your core.

 

 

As they pointe out, if you pushed with the trail leg, you'd see pressure spike under the trail foot.

[KMeloney]

2 hours ago, Mike412 said:

So you’re saying he puts “slide force” into the trail foot early to shift horizontally and then “push off” vertically with the lead foot? Or maybe I should ask what exactly you mean by slide force?

 

I don't think Monte said that. I think Monte is saying that the "force" that causes his trail leg to pull forward is put onto his foot (by virtue of his foot being attached to his leg and hip pulled/dragged forward), and not that his dragging foot is exerting a force [from pushing against the ground or something].

Edited March 22, 2024 by KMeloney
Dang typos!

[getitdaily]

2 hours ago, Mike412 said:

So you’re saying he puts “slide force” into the trail foot early to shift horizontally and then “push off” vertically with the lead foot? Or maybe I should ask what exactly you mean by slide force?

 

Sorry for derailing an intelligent conversation with stupid questions lol.

If slide force is sheffler's trail foot moving away from the ball then it's easy to produce. Courtesy of @virtuoso

 

Stand on 2 swivel chairs and make a non-violent swing. Watch what happens to the trail foot and chair.

 

Safer way is to stand on a smooth surface with your feet on round disc furniture movers. Make a swing (not a fast swing) and observe the trail foot in the downswing. 

[virtuoso]

2 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

If slide force is sheffler's trail foot moving away from the ball then it's easy to produce. Courtesy of @virtuoso

 

Stand on 2 swivel chairs and make a non-violent swing. Watch what happens to the trail foot and chair.

 

Safer way is to stand on a smooth surface with your feet on round disc furniture movers. Make a swing (not a fast swing) and observe the trail foot in the downswing. 

Your way is better, I almost hurt myself just standing on one swivel chair.

[KMeloney]

26 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

If slide force is sheffler's trail foot moving away from the ball then it's easy to produce. Courtesy of @virtuoso

 

Stand on 2 swivel chairs and make a non-violent swing. Watch what happens to the trail foot and chair.

 

Safer way is to stand on a smooth surface with your feet on round disc furniture movers. Make a swing (not a fast swing) and observe the trail foot in the downswing. 

 

Or just check out Club Pro Guy's recent video where he recommends making swings wearing rollerblades. LOL

[PedronNiall]

18 hours ago, iacas said:

 

I didn't see him anywhere.

 

Gotta run. I think the chef didn't use my eggs.

 

[Bogeyman_MD]

4 hours ago, getitdaily said:

If slide force is sheffler's trail foot moving away from the ball then it's easy to produce. Courtesy of @virtuoso

 

Stand on 2 swivel chairs and make a non-violent swing. Watch what happens to the trail foot and chair.

 

Safer way is to stand on a smooth surface with your feet on round disc furniture movers. Make a swing (not a fast swing) and observe the trail foot in the downswing. 

That sounds like an eye opener but idk if I’m brave enough for that or not. I’d hate to miss the golf season if something went wrong 🤣

[CSagan]

 

Scheff is a sicko. Takes Nicklaus' quote of "you cant release too early as long as you get to your left side" to heart it seems. Whole body in front of ball by p5. Is this the new gettin gucci @MonteScheinblum? 🙂

[MonteScheinblum]

3 hours ago, CSagan said:

 

Scheff is a sicko. Takes Nicklaus' quote of "you cant release too early as long as you get to your left side" to heart it seems. Whole body in front of ball by p5. Is this the new gettin gucci @MonteScheinblum? 🙂

I dont think doing this excessively will work for most people.  Kind of like getting flex in your lead wrist at some point is important, but doing it as excessively as DJ, Rahm and Morikawa is unlikely good for most.

 

Movements in the swing are parabolas.  Too little, bad, too much, bad.

[Valtiel]

On 3/24/2024 at 11:11 AM, MonteScheinblum said:

Movements in the swing are parabolas.  Too little, bad, too much, bad.

Or my favorite "Just enough? Also bad, because you aren't doing this other thing enough". 😅

[ac6]

On 3/20/2024 at 7:25 AM, GungHoGolf said:

If he came to you as a 4 cap with inconsistent ball striking, would you try to tone down that 10-12” forward slide? Or is that a viable/desirable pattern that could help a lot of ams?

 

Asked another way: do you see more problems from too little forward slide, or not enough?

 

This is fascinating to me, because we’re looking at the world’s current best ball striker, and he seems to be an outlier on the hip slide spectrum.

 

Imo he matches up this amount of body shift with a super wide arc on the downswing. So wide that he can shift the low point out that whole foot and have the club path on top of the ball and square to target that entire time. Most amateurs are going to be much narrower and moving that low point out that far forward means a whiff or some weird vertical compensation to make contact. With that being said I think most amateurs could use more shift toward the target than they've got because they're not doing it properly at all

[Nels55]

48 minutes ago, ac6 said:

With that being said I think most amateurs could use more shift toward the target than they've got because they're not doing it properly at all

This explanation of proper shift is the one that really got through to me:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMFW-xPFdLf/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==

[ZGriswold83]

17 hours ago, Nels55 said:

This explanation of proper shift is the one that really got through to me:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CMFW-xPFdLf/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet&igsh=ZDNlZDc0MzIxNw==

I have been working on exactly this. I'm at a point now where I can feel pressure in my trail foot early then shift it to my lead heel before I squat and turn. Now I need to figure out how to post on my lead leg and rotate, my knee is hurting from reps, so I'm sure I am doing something wrong.

[Nels55]

13 minutes ago, ZGriswold83 said:

I have been working on exactly this. I'm at a point now where I can feel pressure in my trail foot early then shift it to my lead heel before I squat and turn. Now I need to figure out how to post on my lead leg and rotate, my knee is hurting from reps, so I'm sure I am doing something wrong.

Yes, I know what you mean.  In my case I can think my way through the backswing and get into a reasonable position considering my lack of athleticism but getting through the ball is another issue.  I do find that if I just hit it hard with my arms and hands from the top I seem to hit a lot of good shots but my impact position looks a bit wonky with not enough angles and standing up.  If I think my way into the ball I can get a swing that produces a decent looking impact position but I can't hit the ball very well and I lose a bit of speed.  I play 3 or 4 times a week so I plan to go with hitting the ball well while playing LOL.