Junior Golf Hub New Ranking System

[Tugu]

23 hours ago, golferdad8 said:

On flying cross country & driving 4.5 hours to get to an easier US Jr Qual field, that makes sense when I see how challenging it is to make cut in a Qualifier in California vs. other parts of the country (and overseas). If the goal is to make it to US Jr, I suppose that's a good plan. 

 

We will do Stanford for qualifying. I'm told the field will be "stacked." The goal is to be good enough to get through and not be flying to the exact opposite side of the country and then driving 4-5 hours from JFK or La Guardia in the hopes the golfers of upstate NY perform worse their Californian counterparts. A specific IVY must be stoked that yet another one of their recruits got an A+ at location arbitrage. Thats all out the window come college time.

 

At least it answers in part for me why "some" high flying juniors literally cannot break par in college golf.

 

If we aren't good enough, we'll work to be better or go find something else to excel at. 

Edited May 18, 2024 by Tugu

[jadenwrx]

On 5/18/2024 at 9:17 AM, Tugu said:

We will do Stanford for qualifying. I'm told the field will be "stacked." The goal is to be good enough to get through and not be flying to the exact opposite side of the country and then driving 4-5 hours from JFK or La Guardia in the hopes the golfers of upstate NY perform worse their Californian counterparts. A specific IVY must be stoked that yet another one of their recruits got an A+ at location arbitrage. Thats all out the window come college time.

 

At least it answers in part for me why "some" high flying juniors literally cannot break par in college golf.

 

If we aren't good enough, we'll work to be better or go find something else to excel at. 

Will you be getting a practice round in at stanford? 

[wegobomber31]

On 5/12/2024 at 9:34 AM, jawsmonster said:

 And for power conference golf programs, a junior's WAGR is their primary resource.

 

I was interested in this premise so took a look at the top 200 JGS and corresponding WAGR.  62 of the top 200 aren't WAGR ranked, including two going to Oklahoma St:

 

Brady Smith (Louisville)	-6.54
Christian Pardue (Tennessee)	-5.89
Hamilton Coleman	-5.83
Smith Summerlin	-5.75
Bhumkit Pitchayasaowapak	-5.99
Brady Catalano (Oklahoma State)	-5.56
Talan Harrison	-5.44
Grant Gudgel (Oklahoma State)	-5.45
Giuseppe Puebla	-5.35
Jaden Soong	-5.17
Tyler Loree	-5.07
Chase Hughes	-5.11
Taneesh Sirivolu (Indiana)	-4.95
Austin Hofferkamp	-4.73
Ryan Shellberg (Iowa)	-4.66
Blake Keen (North Texas)	-4.73
Hudson Lawson	-4.64
Sohan Patel	-4.67
Liam Pasternak	-4.6
Clark Xander Goboy	-4.57
Bradley Chill (Indiana)	-4.55
Colin Leonard (Abilene Christian)	-4.69
Nolan Harper (Florida Gulf Coast)	-4.51
Will Guthrie	-4.53
Alex Holder	-4.5
Aidan Dortch (TCU)	-4.48
Lorenzo Rodriguez	-4.59
William Hennessee	-4.6
Matthew Robles (Santa Clara)	-4.51
Connor Cassano (LSU)	-4.44
Drake Harvey	-4.41
Nicolas Bencomo	-4.37
Warren Thomis (Louisville)	-4.36
Jaxon Bandelier	-4.32
Tip Price	-4.16
Eli Walker Campbell	-4.23
Trip Duke (Mississippi State)	-4.35
Emerson Majma	-4.34
Zackary Tarter (UC Davis)	-4.36
Leo Wessel (Cincinnati)	-4.24
Shams Jahangir-Arshad (Oregon)	-4.26
Griffin Law	-4.14
Brady McHenry	-4.13
Maddox Crowder	-4.11
Rich Wills (Clemson)	-4.05
Bradley Smolinski (Oregon State)	-4.12
Ethan Whitaker (UT Chattanooga)	-4
Brody McQueen	-4
Preston Hage	-4.04
Theodore Vigna	-4.03
Trevor Gutschewski	-4.08
Ieuan Jones	-3.96
Owen Bolles	-4.01
Marek Fleming	-4.04
Christopher Bettencourt (Fresno State)	-4.05
Jackson Funkhouser (New Mexico State)	-3.99
Kellen Young	-4.08
Tyson Sparks	-4.05
Cooper Burris (UNC Wilmington)	-3.87
Reese Roberts	-3.86
Tyler Greenspahn (USC)	-3.84
Roman Solomon	-3.83

 

Then if you plot the JGS vs. WAGR for those who are ranked you can see which players are pro-WAGR (below the line) or pro-JGS (above the line).  I'm not able to draw any conclusions from this, but thought it was interesting to look at:

 

 

[Tugu]

6 hours ago, wegobomber31 said:

 

I was interested in this premise so took a look at the top 200 JGS and corresponding WAGR.  62 of the top 200 aren't WAGR ranked, including two going to Oklahoma St:

 

 

Brady Smith (Louisville)	-6.54
Christian Pardue (Tennessee)	-5.89
Hamilton Coleman	-5.83
Smith Summerlin	-5.75
Bhumkit Pitchayasaowapak	-5.99
Brady Catalano (Oklahoma State)	-5.56
Talan Harrison	-5.44
Grant Gudgel (Oklahoma State)	-5.45
Giuseppe Puebla	-5.35
Jaden Soong	-5.17
Tyler Loree	-5.07
Chase Hughes	-5.11
Taneesh Sirivolu (Indiana)	-4.95
Austin Hofferkamp	-4.73
Ryan Shellberg (Iowa)	-4.66
Blake Keen (North Texas)	-4.73
Hudson Lawson	-4.64
Sohan Patel	-4.67
Liam Pasternak	-4.6
Clark Xander Goboy	-4.57
Bradley Chill (Indiana)	-4.55
Colin Leonard (Abilene Christian)	-4.69
Nolan Harper (Florida Gulf Coast)	-4.51
Will Guthrie	-4.53
Alex Holder	-4.5
Aidan Dortch (TCU)	-4.48
Lorenzo Rodriguez	-4.59
William Hennessee	-4.6
Matthew Robles (Santa Clara)	-4.51
Connor Cassano (LSU)	-4.44
Drake Harvey	-4.41
Nicolas Bencomo	-4.37
Warren Thomis (Louisville)	-4.36
Jaxon Bandelier	-4.32
Tip Price	-4.16
Eli Walker Campbell	-4.23
Trip Duke (Mississippi State)	-4.35
Emerson Majma	-4.34
Zackary Tarter (UC Davis)	-4.36
Leo Wessel (Cincinnati)	-4.24
Shams Jahangir-Arshad (Oregon)	-4.26
Griffin Law	-4.14
Brady McHenry	-4.13
Maddox Crowder	-4.11
Rich Wills (Clemson)	-4.05
Bradley Smolinski (Oregon State)	-4.12
Ethan Whitaker (UT Chattanooga)	-4
Brody McQueen	-4
Preston Hage	-4.04
Theodore Vigna	-4.03
Trevor Gutschewski	-4.08
Ieuan Jones	-3.96
Owen Bolles	-4.01
Marek Fleming	-4.04
Christopher Bettencourt (Fresno State)	-4.05
Jackson Funkhouser (New Mexico State)	-3.99
Kellen Young	-4.08
Tyson Sparks	-4.05
Cooper Burris (UNC Wilmington)	-3.87
Reese Roberts	-3.86
Tyler Greenspahn (USC)	-3.84
Roman Solomon	-3.83

 

Then if you plot the JGS vs. WAGR for those who are ranked you can see which players are pro-WAGR (below the line) or pro-JGS (above the line).  I'm not able to draw any conclusions from this, but thought it was interesting to look at:

 

 

A WAGR focused country now has over 20 JGS events. Wonder how the CCA works out with a few high WAGR ranked kids in the fields.

[TroyB123]

On 6/5/2024 at 11:04 AM, wegobomber31 said:

 

I was interested in this premise so took a look at the top 200 JGS and corresponding WAGR.  62 of the top 200 aren't WAGR ranked, including two going to Oklahoma St:

 

 

Brady Smith (Louisville)	-6.54
Christian Pardue (Tennessee)	-5.89
Hamilton Coleman	-5.83
Smith Summerlin	-5.75
Bhumkit Pitchayasaowapak	-5.99
Brady Catalano (Oklahoma State)	-5.56
Talan Harrison	-5.44
Grant Gudgel (Oklahoma State)	-5.45
Giuseppe Puebla	-5.35
Jaden Soong	-5.17
Tyler Loree	-5.07
Chase Hughes	-5.11
Taneesh Sirivolu (Indiana)	-4.95
Austin Hofferkamp	-4.73
Ryan Shellberg (Iowa)	-4.66
Blake Keen (North Texas)	-4.73
Hudson Lawson	-4.64
Sohan Patel	-4.67
Liam Pasternak	-4.6
Clark Xander Goboy	-4.57
Bradley Chill (Indiana)	-4.55
Colin Leonard (Abilene Christian)	-4.69
Nolan Harper (Florida Gulf Coast)	-4.51
Will Guthrie	-4.53
Alex Holder	-4.5
Aidan Dortch (TCU)	-4.48
Lorenzo Rodriguez	-4.59
William Hennessee	-4.6
Matthew Robles (Santa Clara)	-4.51
Connor Cassano (LSU)	-4.44
Drake Harvey	-4.41
Nicolas Bencomo	-4.37
Warren Thomis (Louisville)	-4.36
Jaxon Bandelier	-4.32
Tip Price	-4.16
Eli Walker Campbell	-4.23
Trip Duke (Mississippi State)	-4.35
Emerson Majma	-4.34
Zackary Tarter (UC Davis)	-4.36
Leo Wessel (Cincinnati)	-4.24
Shams Jahangir-Arshad (Oregon)	-4.26
Griffin Law	-4.14
Brady McHenry	-4.13
Maddox Crowder	-4.11
Rich Wills (Clemson)	-4.05
Bradley Smolinski (Oregon State)	-4.12
Ethan Whitaker (UT Chattanooga)	-4
Brody McQueen	-4
Preston Hage	-4.04
Theodore Vigna	-4.03
Trevor Gutschewski	-4.08
Ieuan Jones	-3.96
Owen Bolles	-4.01
Marek Fleming	-4.04
Christopher Bettencourt (Fresno State)	-4.05
Jackson Funkhouser (New Mexico State)	-3.99
Kellen Young	-4.08
Tyson Sparks	-4.05
Cooper Burris (UNC Wilmington)	-3.87
Reese Roberts	-3.86
Tyler Greenspahn (USC)	-3.84
Roman Solomon	-3.83

 

Then if you plot the JGS vs. WAGR for those who are ranked you can see which players are pro-WAGR (below the line) or pro-JGS (above the line).  I'm not able to draw any conclusions from this, but thought it was interesting to look at:

 

 

 

There are a lot of commitments missing on that list.   I recognize a few of the NC/VA guys and know a couple are committed to SEC schools and one ACC.

[wegobomber31]

13 hours ago, TroyB123 said:

There are a lot of commitments missing on that list.   I recognize a few of the NC/VA guys and know a couple are committed to SEC schools and one ACC.

JGS only lists commits they formally sign in 2024. Their list, not mine

[wegobomber31]

4 hours ago, jayslaysongolf said:

 

You’re describing what happens every where now in Junior Golf.

 

All the parents, coaches, instructors and tournament's care about is what a kid is ranked and the whole system is about rankings.

 

It’s stupid that a kid isn’t allowed to focus on just playing and get better. 

 

The sad truth is no one cares  outside of a few people who actually won a junior event.  All Junior events are really just like US Kids and this includes AJGA.  In 5 years the only one who will remember winning that event is the person that won. 

totally agree with the last part. There is really only one event where being on the list of past champions really means something. The majority of the rest are nearly meaningless. 
 

so with that as the lens the utility of a tournament is if the tournament experience itself helped make you better (win or lose) or if it opened a door for some other opportunity for you to get better. 

[TroyB123]

5 hours ago, wegobomber31 said:

JGS only lists commits they formally sign in 2024. Their list, not mine

Yeah, I was just reinforcing your point, I think, that there are more power 5 kids on that list than it appears.

[Golfquant]

16 hours ago, wegobomber31 said:

so with that as the lens the utility of a tournament is if the tournament experience itself helped make you better (win or lose) or if it opened a door for some other opportunity for you to get better. 

very true statement

 

also, competing in some min number (and caliber) of events is table stakes to even be considered for what many participants are ultimately trying to achieve: recruitment

[Tugu]

@golferdad8 @wegobomber31 What do you guys think the CCA was at the JTNC event at Spanos where Asterisk just went 64/65 (-15) and won by 17 for her 31st JTNC event win?

 

The girl came from the US Open to play a JTNC event and shoot a course record no less.🤣 

 

Interestingly the boys Junior Am qualifier was recently held there and -3 won and +1 got through. The very same day a highly ranked JGS/Rolex kid missed by more than a few.

[Golfquant]

5 hours ago, Tugu said:

@golferdad8 @wegobomber31 What do you guys think the CCA was at the JTNC event at Spanos where Asterisk just went 64/65 (-15) and won by 17 for her 31st JTNC event win?

 

The girl came from the US Open to play a JTNC event and shoot a course record no less.🤣 

 

Interestingly the boys Junior Am qualifier was recently held there and -3 won and +1 got through. The very same day a highly ranked JGS/Rolex kid missed by more than a few.

she is a record-breaking generational talent and I look forward to following her career

 

does her competing in JTNC events impact other competitors negatively?  i.e. does it prevent another player from getting perhaps needed finishes/points/rankings to qualify for tour championship, etc?

 

giants beating up on lesser opponents is often frowned upon in other sports

[leezer99]

17 minutes ago, Golfquant said:

she is a record-breaking generational talent and I look forward to following her career

 

does her competing in JTNC events impact other competitors negatively?  i.e. does it prevent another player from getting perhaps needed finishes/points/rankings to qualify for tour championship, etc?

 

giants beating up on lesser opponents is often frowned upon in other sports

 

If her parents are like me, they probably forgot they signed up for the event and instead of getting charged a late WD fee they just went and played in it. 

[Golfquant]

14 minutes ago, leezer99 said:

 

If her parents are like me, they probably forgot they signed up for the event and instead of getting charged a late WD fee they just went and played in it. 

I totally get it - but it's nice to leave scraps for others who might need them

[golferdad8]

Congrats to Asterisk & look forward to cheering her on in the years ahead & saying I knew her when....

 

It seems on the girls' side, the talent is not as deep and therefore the better (top 5 to 10) players usually come out ahead. This is different than on the boys' side where top 50 or top 100 ranked boys regularly beat the top 5-10 players & the ranking is pretty irrelevant. Other than the top Top 1-5 players, this is one of the main reasons why it's difficult for the top 40 college golf programs to recruit 10-11th grade boys and predicting who will do well in college.  

 

As for Asterisk, I don't know her goals but it seems she wants to keep setting JTNC records & just keep getting better, similar to how Steph Curry approaches his 3 points records - just keep shooting. Her JTNC record is different than winning a slam dunk contest & then stepping aside so someone new can win it. At this rate of winning & making history, she will be able to command some major NIL $. 

 

 

[golferdad8]

1 minute ago, jayslaysongolf said:

The way JGS works and with CCA the short answer is it helps  those lower ranked players more then hurts.

 

The may not get a medal but everyones ranking seems to improve.

 

It one the biggest issues with junior rankings trying to be fair at all events .

From my observation, the CCA helps the higher ranked players "maintain/increase" their rankings & strokes differential as they cherry pick events & continue being bottom 25% finish & mid to hi 70s scoring averages. It also helps players improve their ranking/differentials if they're able to get into invitationals or tournaments with a strong (ranking) field - even if they finish bottom 25%.  The smart coaches know the JGS is rigged & they're able to see past the 4-5 minimal tournament players. The not so smart coaches are the one who go by rankings & then get stuck with players who underperform in college. 

[Tugu]

4 hours ago, Golfquant said:

she is a record-breaking generational talent and I look forward to following her career

 

does her competing in JTNC events impact other competitors negatively?  i.e. does it prevent another player from getting perhaps needed finishes/points/rankings to qualify for tour championship, etc?

 

giants beating up on lesser opponents is often frowned upon in other sports

The impressive thing about her is the adherence to process. It's the same in JTNC as it is in invitationals. 

 

The task of winning is exactly to execute a winning formula. Part of the formula is to get reps not allowing external factors, such as who else is playing, get in the way. This seems to be what she is working at and so far achieving.

 

Like Scottie Scheffler who won over 70 North Texas events, she hasnt ducked competitions which may drop her ranking. These JTNC events are opportunities for her to keep executing the skills she has picked up with her coach.

 

It's clear now she may be a generational talent. But when the process was put in place years ago, it was only a hope and a prayer that she might one day turn out this way.

[Tugu]

2 minutes ago, golferdad8 said:

From my observation, the CCA helps the higher ranked players "maintain/increase" their rankings & strokes differential as they cherry pick events & continue being bottom 25% finish & mid to hi 70s scoring averages. It also helps players improve their ranking/differentials if they're able to get into invitationals or tournaments with a strong (ranking) field - even if they finish bottom 25%.  The smart coaches know the JGS is rigged & they're able to see past the 4-5 minimal tournament players. The not so smart coaches are the one who go by rankings & then get stuck with players who underperform in college. 

Clearly no cherry picking in Asterisk's schedule. US Open was achieved near home, similar place to where she failed in 2022 and 2023. Won AJGA's in 2023 in San Jose and in Socal before invitational events kicked in.

 

No going to Hamilton NY to qualify. No endless entering and waiting to see who plays before deciding whether to withdraw. No shutting down of tournament play when a ranking is achieved. No playing only events where the CCA and strength of fields work in her favor...etc

 

All of the above was in place when it wasn't clear she might be who we are seeing emerge. 

[Golfquant]

19 hours ago, golferdad8 said:

As for Asterisk, I don't know her goals but it seems she wants to keep setting JTNC records & just keep getting better, similar to how Steph Curry approaches his 3 points records - just keep shooting. Her JTNC record is different than winning a slam dunk contest & then stepping aside so someone new can win it. At this rate of winning & making history, she will be able to command some major NIL $. 

this is an interesting angle - do ppl actually think there is potential NIL $ tied to setting win records in a local/regional junior tour?

[golferdad8]

15 hours ago, Golfquant said:

this is an interesting angle - do ppl actually think there is potential NIL $ tied to setting win records in a local/regional junior tour?

Many top 40 programs giving out $25-50k/year NIL golf $ plus scholarships, incl in the transfer portals. 

[Golfquant]

8 hours ago, golferdad8 said:

Many top 40 programs giving out $25-50k/year NIL golf $ plus scholarships, incl in the transfer portals. 

wow ok I had no idea - that's a lot

 

I had heard (from a sports agent who has some prominent college athlete clients) that the % of D1 college golfers getting even 5-figures of NIL $ is < 1%

[golferdad8]

15 hours ago, jayslaysongolf said:

Ok then why are many of those players opting to drop out and play pro which there lucky to make $50k a year.

 

The money in NIL is in sports like football.  You don’t see 100k fans watching college golf and the money is not there like people think.

 

If you want money go play on the pga tour or get picked by LIV golf.

NIL is not truly for their name, image, likeliness. Other than major football & basketball stars, it’s more a way go legally recruit athletes to help the team win. 

Hearing Sargent gets $450k/year NIL so he can save plenty of $ now in case PGA/Korn Ferry attempts take longer to win. Similar to Nick Dunlap (assuming there’s still eligibility) just wait until gets close/win so he can secure a big endorsement before leaving college. 
 

[Tugu]

@wegobomber31 Remember the outlier in a chart you posted, aka 180 mph ball speed kid? Well he finally showed up in a real golf event near a year after being recruited, +7 after first round of IMG.

 

No second place in 17 person national events to rely on anymore. But then, its not needed because Princeton signed him early already.

Edited July 10, 2024 by Tugu

[wegobomber31]

1 hour ago, Tugu said:

@wegobomber31 Remember the outlier in a chart you posted, aka 180 mph ball speed kid? Well he finally showed up in a real golf event near a year after being recruited, +7 after first round of IMG.

 

No second place in 17 person national events to rely on anymore. But then, its not needed because Princeton signed him early already.

well I guess all those H2H L’s will bring his TUGR more in line with his JGS. 
 

in fairness, he did shoot 72-69-73 and finish 4th in the same tournament last year. 
 

I was just talking to a coach who said a lot of kids treat college golf as the destination. So that motivation to keep getting better often evaporates once a player commits. Maybe that’s happening here. But it’s a common trap. 

[LawGenius305]

3 hours ago, wegobomber31 said:

well I guess all those H2H L’s will bring his TUGR more in line with his JGS. 
 

in fairness, he did shoot 72-69-73 and finish 4th in the same tournament last year. 
 

I was just talking to a coach who said a lot of kids treat college golf as the destination. So that motivation to keep getting better often evaporates once a player commits. Maybe that’s happening here. But it’s a common trap. 

[Bizzle80]

I kind of love the JGH rankings...might be wildly inaccurate...but for younger daughter it's kind of nice seeing all her scores posted in a single spot. 

[wegobomber31]

7 hours ago, wegobomber31 said:

well I guess all those H2H L’s will bring his TUGR more in line with his JGS. 
 

in fairness, he did shoot 72-69-73 and finish 4th in the same tournament last year. 
 

I was just talking to a coach who said a lot of kids treat college golf as the destination. So that motivation to keep getting better often evaporates once a player commits. Maybe that’s happening here. But it’s a common trap. 

oh and I would add…there’s absolutely wrong with that. If somebody wants to use golf as a vehicle for getting into a really good school

and still likely be an excellent amateur player for most of their life, that’s perfectly okay. If somebody loses the motivation to keep improving and keep grinding because their priorities are elsewhere, that’s fine. Golf can be a life changing game in so many different ways, even if you never play college golf. 

[Tugu]

14 hours ago, wegobomber31 said:

well I guess all those H2H L’s will bring his TUGR more in line with his JGS. 
 

in fairness, he did shoot 72-69-73 and finish 4th in the same tournament last year. 
 

I was just talking to a coach who said a lot of kids treat college golf as the destination. So that motivation to keep getting better often evaporates once a player commits. Maybe that’s happening here. But it’s a common trap. 

"Last year" are the key parts of what you have written.

 

Most of the interest in JGS started for me when statements were made re rankings reflecting skills. Perhaps an easy immediate way to sort the wheat from the chaff is to raise the minimum events required?

 

Princeton now has a recruit that barely plays competitive golf anymore and whose CV claims a high place in a supposed national event with 17 players, in a place with 2 to 3 golf courses (one of which is being fought over for land to build condos).

 

All of the above is not suggesting he is a bad or deceitful human being, but we are on a golf board after all. Hence the talk of a recruit to a prominent school who is seemingly no longer interested in golf.

 

I think we can both agree that if one wants to be a good amateur golfer, they have to at least be playing golf.

Edited July 11, 2024 by Tugu

[kcap]

Everyone on this board is so judgmental.  No body knows the inside scoop.  I do not and will admit to know but the the kid could be working on his swing or going through a rough patch.

He does not want to post low scores, it just happens.  That is part of the game, you need to be at that point to to understand that the game can come and go. 

All the kids I know who have started playing below caliber (including mine) once they got recruited is not because they don't care. To most of these kids, college is not a destination it is a stepping stone.  

They are looking ahead or trying something new to become ready for college golf.
- everyone who judges a kid that is not playing well once we gets into college is missing the story.  I know so many kids that decided to build their game for college level and thus decided to care less about Jr golf.  They were looking and still are looking a the bigger picture.

They and the coaches should  a #$%$ about judgmental folks on a forum board.   You think think Will Green actually cares about what happens at the IMG worlds.  Will only cares how is 2025 recruits will play in his sophomore through senior year.  That my, judgmental, little insight WRXer is 2-3 years away.  A lot can happen in 2-3 years

 

[Tugu]

2 hours ago, kcap said:

Everyone on this board is so judgmental.  No body knows the inside scoop.  I do not and will admit to know but the the kid could be working on his swing or going through a rough patch.

He does not want to post low scores, it just happens.  That is part of the game, you need to be at that point to to understand that the game can come and go. 

All the kids I know who have started playing below caliber (including mine) once they got recruited is not because they don't care. To most of these kids, college is not a destination it is a stepping stone.  

They are looking ahead or trying something new to become ready for college golf.
- everyone who judges a kid that is not playing well once we gets into college is missing the story.  I know so many kids that decided to build their game for college level and thus decided to care less about Jr golf.  They were looking and still are looking a the bigger picture.

They and the coaches should  a #$%$ about judgmental folks on a forum board.   You think think Will Green actually cares about what happens at the IMG worlds.  Will only cares how is 2025 recruits will play in his sophomore through senior year.  That my, judgmental, little insight WRXer is 2-3 years away.  A lot can happen in 2-3 years

 

Not judging after the fact. Was highlighted as a statistical aberration in JGS prior to. The original discussion was about how to successfully present one self as a baller/gamer whilst actually being focused on other interests. Hence the example of listing oneself as a runner up in a national title when in fact only 17 players participated.

 

Norcal golfing is not that big. Doesn't take serious work to know "the scoop." Fact is most kids suck at college golf (including my older boy), so I don't know where these kids that are all ignoring junior golf and building their game for college golf are. Or are they for the most part failing at what you say they are building up for?

 

Stating facts doesn't mean a judgement has been made. If one can't break par, they aren't very good at golf. 

[Tugu]

2 hours ago, kcap said:

They and the coaches should  a #$%$ about judgmental folks on a forum board.   You think think Will Green actually cares about what happens at the IMG worlds.  Will only cares how is 2025 recruits will play in his sophomore through senior year.  That my, judgmental, little insight WRXer is 2-3 years away.  A lot can happen in 2-3 years

 

Go MIA after recruitment and then pop up to shoot big scores for extended periods...see if the recruiting coaches care.