Stress of being a pro

[bladehunter]

On 9/15/2024 at 1:01 PM, Phabs said:

 

Best of luck with that.  There’s probably 3-4 million people on this site … maybe 10 could make those cuts. 

Is there really that many on this site ?   Thats amazing. 

Edited September 18, 2024 by bladehunter

[Hankshank]

Being from a family of daytime jobs and futher back all roots in the poor rural 90% scandinavians 1900 and earlier I kinda put golf professionals in the same category as poets, artists, musicians, entrepreneurs and the similar. Guys with a background of not seeing a job job as something without a question. 
 

i know USA might be different, the american dream, Lincoln being born in a log cabin and all that. But I guess a majority of golf pros didnt come from job job neighborhoods - if something like that exist in USA. I don’t know. Well, neither Annika, Jesper, Robban or Ludvig came from a white/blue collar background.

 

Edited September 18, 2024 by Hankshank

[golfortennis]

This is not a game.  Not when livelihoods are on the line.  Anyone who tries to say so, go tee it up for the next four days, from the back tees, shoot par, then hop on a plane, or drive whatever, about 3 hours away, do the same thing next week, rinse and repeat.  A game is what we play.  It stops being a game when you have to be somewhere else in order to cash in.

 

This thread is also indicative of why I am so against touring pros getting their amateur status back and competing in amateur championships.  There is nothing that can steel you to tournament nerves better than having to make a 6 footer to cash a check, knowing you can sleep in a hotel this week if you make it.  The rest of us ams, for whom these tournaments are supposed to be for, do not have anything that can compare, and the division is there for a reason.  (Even though I have been very vocal about my problems with the original reasoning for "amateurism" there is still a place in golf for it IMHO).  Those who have posted their stories, which thanks for doing so by the way, they are very informative, but there is no putt they will face in an amateur tournament that will ever get their nerves up because they been to the abyss, something the rest of us really haven't faced in golf.  (Yes, people could have some real life issues, but I don't count that, same as I don't count financial advantages... you can't control that from a golf competition perspective-but you can control what golf experience has you eligible.)

 

Either way though, the point being made is that except for a very few, being a touring pro at basically any level is far from easy street.  Look at Jordan Spieth.  By all accounts, he has it made in spades.  But yet, he is basically only known for his golf, and now that he has struggled, everyone is asking what is wrong with him.  There used to be a joke in college we would ask each other:  would you perform a certain act on another guy for a million dollars?  One guy said I'll deal with the trauma driving around in my new Porsche, which is the type of answer you will see from many regarding Spieth.  But that is his bread and butter, and it's easy to say that when you are not the person involved.  All the money in the world doesn't help you if your sense of worth is compromised.       

[ALX]

There's no way anyone can argue about the stress level of a pro/turning pro. It must be insane standing over a putt for (enter $ amount here) whether it's to add another few million to your account or to pay rent this week. I respect that guys are willing to roll the dice on life and do that. 

 

However, when you zoom out and look at the bigger picture, this is all self induced. These players are chasing THEIR DREAM, why should it be easy? High risk high reward. If you are an accomplished mini tour/Korn ferry/Pro whatever you made it too, good chance you are better than the large majority of players in your area, and you should be able to take a step back and find a job making very good money (based on the median income of the USA) as a club pro, teacher, etc. and not deal with all that stress. Even if they don't make the tour, they still have a skillset many will never touch, and that, like in any profession opens many doors. 

 

 

[PedronNiall]

6 hours ago, Hankshank said:

Being from a family of daytime jobs and futher back all roots in the poor rural 90% scandinavians 1900 and earlier I kinda put golf professionals in the same category as poets, artists, musicians, entrepreneurs and the similar. Guys with a background of not seeing a job job as something without a question. 
 

i know USA might be different, the american dream, Lincoln being born in a log cabin and all that. But I guess a majority of golf pros didnt come from job job neighborhoods - if something like that exist in USA. I don’t know. Well, neither Annika, Jesper, Robban or Ludvig came from a white/blue collar background.

 

 

No, you're not wrong. Most you see make it on the PGA/LPGA from North, Central, or South America come from higher middle-class or above situations, with it trending even more heavily that way with a lot of the economic topsy turvy of the past decades. The majority of the best have pictures of themselves playing together as junior golfers. There's some variation, but those at the top traveled across the US and the world as juniors before reaching the heights and that takes a lot of money and time a working class family isn't going to have to spare. Many of them are playing at CCs or relatively exclusive public courses, and going to the best coaches even if that means relocating, which also takes money. 

 

If they're from Mexico or anywhere in SA you can pretty much guarantee they're from wealthy families because courses are on the extreme end of few and far between there and the average person will have next to no access to them. Sure, there are exceptions, and there will always be fringe cases who truly dig it out of the dirt coming from nothing, but the exception only serves to magnify the rule. Even the US players who grew up playing almost exclusively public courses still tend to come from families with higher levels of disposable income and better access to facilities and coaching than most. 

 

The USGA & Friends are talking of their new efforts to make programs more akin to what's seen elsewhere in the world for trying to give kids with talent a shot at golf regardless of their circumstances but that's going to take time to really get rolling. Most schools do not have the equipment or facilities to teach kids from zero here in the States, so in most cases you come in with the support to get there or you never get a real chance. At many schools--read private or public schools in upper income neighborhoods--where there's an established program taking good golfers to higher level tournaments, you don't get any time with the golf coach unless you've already made the team.

 

Even with courses waving or reducing green & range fees for juniors golf is still prohibitively expensive for most. 

[Barfolomew]

19 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Count yourself as blessed if you’ve never had the fun sucked out of work.  Id advise against anyone chasing dreams , be better to choose the most $ possible for 20 years. Then hope you can retire early before you die.     Ever count how many hours a day you don’t do what you want to do ?   If you haven’t forget I said it.  And don’t.  

 

haha...or be comfortable within your purse and just do what you enjoy..... been working with special needs adults and kids for 27 years. Had plenty of jobs that weren't fun and a grind and it sucked lol so chose that path coming out of college instead of putting money first

 

Chasing dreams has to be backed up with everything you got or you're just a creampuff pi55in in the wind... but you gotta have the right attitude and enjoy the chase 💪 not like them negative mini tour crybabies I saw practicing at the course 🫖🍪

[bladehunter]

32 minutes ago, Barfolomew said:

 

haha...or be comfortable within your purse and just do what you enjoy..... been working with special needs adults and kids for 27 years. Had plenty of jobs that weren't fun and a grind and it sucked lol so chose that path coming out of college instead of putting money first

 

Chasing dreams has to be backed up with everything you got or you're just a creampuff pi55in in the wind... but you gotta have the right attitude and enjoy the chase 💪 not like them negative mini tour crybabies I saw practicing at the course 🫖🍪

More power to you I guess.  But I don’t see how you eat hopes and dreams these days.  You must have a dang lucky job , doing that and making enough to live.  

[Ironman_32]

3 hours ago, PedronNiall said:

 

No, you're not wrong. Most you see make it on the PGA/LPGA from North, Central, or South America come from higher middle-class or above situations, with it trending even more heavily that way with a lot of the economic topsy turvy of the past decades. The majority of the best have pictures of themselves playing together as junior golfers. There's some variation, but those at the top traveled across the US and the world as juniors before reaching the heights and that takes a lot of money and time a working class family isn't going to have to spare. Many of them are playing at CCs or relatively exclusive public courses, and going to the best coaches even if that means relocating, which also takes money. 

 

If they're from Mexico or anywhere in SA you can pretty much guarantee they're from wealthy families because courses are on the extreme end of few and far between there and the average person will have next to no access to them. Sure, there are exceptions, and there will always be fringe cases who truly dig it out of the dirt coming from nothing, but the exception only serves to magnify the rule. Even the US players who grew up playing almost exclusively public courses still tend to come from families with higher levels of disposable income and better access to facilities and coaching than most. 

 

The USGA & Friends are talking of their new efforts to make programs more akin to what's seen elsewhere in the world for trying to give kids with talent a shot at golf regardless of their circumstances but that's going to take time to really get rolling. Most schools do not have the equipment or facilities to teach kids from zero here in the States, so in most cases you come in with the support to get there or you never get a real chance. At many schools--read private or public schools in upper income neighborhoods--where there's an established program taking good golfers to higher level tournaments, you don't get any time with the golf coach unless you've already made the team.

 

Even with courses waving or reducing green & range fees for juniors golf is still prohibitively expensive for most. 

Agree with all of this, I think we'll see it more. I always say, you can't buy your way into D1 or pro sports, but golf is probably one of the closes you can get. If someone is 15 and has access to coaches, nutrition, equipment that fits them to a T, and trackman so they know on the range that their half wedge is going 64 yards instead of 65 yards today, that's tough to beat. Basically, it costs money any time you pick up a club, sans chipping and putting.

 

Where as in other sports, an NBA quality talent in high school can beat you in hospital shoes. 

[Ironman_32]

7 hours ago, golfortennis said:

This is not a game.  Not when livelihoods are on the line.  Anyone who tries to say so, go tee it up for the next four days, from the back tees, shoot par, then hop on a plane, or drive whatever, about 3 hours away, do the same thing next week, rinse and repeat.  A game is what we play.  It stops being a game when you have to be somewhere else in order to cash in.

 

This thread is also indicative of why I am so against touring pros getting their amateur status back and competing in amateur championships.  There is nothing that can steel you to tournament nerves better than having to make a 6 footer to cash a check, knowing you can sleep in a hotel this week if you make it.  The rest of us ams, for whom these tournaments are supposed to be for, do not have anything that can compare, and the division is there for a reason.  (Even though I have been very vocal about my problems with the original reasoning for "amateurism" there is still a place in golf for it IMHO).  Those who have posted their stories, which thanks for doing so by the way, they are very informative, but there is no putt they will face in an amateur tournament that will ever get their nerves up because they been to the abyss, something the rest of us really haven't faced in golf.  (Yes, people could have some real life issues, but I don't count that, same as I don't count financial advantages... you can't control that from a golf competition perspective-but you can control what golf experience has you eligible.)

 

Either way though, the point being made is that except for a very few, being a touring pro at basically any level is far from easy street.  Look at Jordan Spieth.  By all accounts, he has it made in spades.  But yet, he is basically only known for his golf, and now that he has struggled, everyone is asking what is wrong with him.  There used to be a joke in college we would ask each other:  would you perform a certain act on another guy for a million dollars?  One guy said I'll deal with the trauma driving around in my new Porsche, which is the type of answer you will see from many regarding Spieth.  But that is his bread and butter, and it's easy to say that when you are not the person involved.  All the money in the world doesn't help you if your sense of worth is compromised.       

True, but the thing about golf is we think you can play forever. So in other sports the journeyman and the HOF players usually have to retire at some point, so it's gone. Golf, at 30, you can still play forever as long as you're healthy. 

 

Spieth always says too, he's had to come to grips that his best golfing year was basically his 2nd (?) year on tour. I think that's a lot of things though, most other professions people usually do one impressive thing and are known for it, i.e. a big law trial case. 

[PedronNiall]

21 hours ago, Ironman_32 said:

Agree with all of this, I think we'll see it more. I always say, you can't buy your way into D1 or pro sports, but golf is probably one of the closes you can get. If someone is 15 and has access to coaches, nutrition, equipment that fits them to a T, and trackman so they know on the range that their half wedge is going 64 yards instead of 65 yards today, that's tough to beat. Basically, it costs money any time you pick up a club, sans chipping and putting.

 

Where as in other sports, an NBA quality talent in high school can beat you in hospital shoes. 

 

Even baseball, basketball, soccer, and a few others can get iffy when it comes to keeping up these days. I think basketball is still a bit better about getting kids with talent to summer camps and whatnot with reduced costs if needed, but travel leagues are becoming more and more the norm for so many sports now, and if you're not tied into that you're behind. 

 

It's all relative and certainly better in general than it was decades ago, but it's definitely going backwards in terms of access in many ways. 

[Ironman_32]

On 9/19/2024 at 2:25 PM, PedronNiall said:

 

Even baseball, basketball, soccer, and a few others can get iffy when it comes to keeping up these days. I think basketball is still a bit better about getting kids with talent to summer camps and whatnot with reduced costs if needed, but travel leagues are becoming more and more the norm for so many sports now, and if you're not tied into that you're behind. 

 

It's all relative and certainly better in general than it was decades ago, but it's definitely going backwards in terms of access in many ways. 

Agreed. But I think with baseball (or other sports) there's still the idea that someone doesn't need that much in terms of equipment, and can develop talent. A lot of things have to go the right way to get them to a D1 program, or any type of program. But with golf, someone with less talent can actually get a better opportunity if they have the right things in place (coaching, launch monitor)

[MountainKing]

 

On 9/13/2024 at 7:23 PM, otto6457 said:

The stress of a competitive golf as a career can be incredibly destructive if you're not one of the truly gifted and talented ones.  You don't see the thousands of failures like myself, and I was a solid player back in the day.  Multiple City Championships and Regional Championships.  I felt like I could play this game pretty well.  But the pressure of laying down $900 of your own money on some MIni-Tour event, betting that you are going to score well enough this week to get your entry fee back; let alone make enough extra for food, gas, and a fleabag hotel, Is whole new level of stress.  Watching every penny you spend and doing things like sleeping in a Camry in the parking lot at the course, and hoping the host club will let you take a free shower, finally wears you down to exhaustion.  Getting to stay with a "sponsor family" at an event was like winning the lottery. 

 

You never feel like you have practiced enough when you're missing cuts.  So the pressure to practice as much as you can drains the love of the game from you.  It's not just your job playing golf, it's everything you do.  You are never NOT thinking about what you need to do.  What you need to fix.  There's always a weakness that costs you strokes.  And losing one stroke a round is often the difference between finishing in the money and losing another $900+.  The grind literally never ends. Even sleep becomes stressful.  

 

I was "lucky" that I had a great friend that offered to sponsor me for my second season.  Then comes the part where you have spent all of your sponsor's money missing cuts or finishing out of the money with 3 events left in the season, and you have to call your recent ex-wife, who finally tired of the journey through golf hell and filed for divorce, to send you a hundred bucks to have enough money for gas to get home.  That's about as low as you can feel.

 

It's hard to explain to someone who hasn't tried to play golf for a living how lonely and hard it can be.  All of your dreams are tied to a number you write on a scorecard.  Your actual worth as person is right there for everyone to see.  There is no one else to blame when you fail.  You are solely responsible for every missed cut.  YOU personally failed to do your only job. The call to your sponsor that you have lost all of their money, but you will pay every penny back with interest even if it takes ten years, (it took six years) is still the most embarrassed I've ever been. I was a complete and utter failure.  At least I felt like I was.

 

It took many years and some professional help to get me back to feeling like I wasn't worthless.  I didn't think I would ever swing a club again.  But golf doesn't seem to let go of your soul for very long.  It always seems to drag you back.  I've said it here before, but I'm glad I tried.  It wasn't all bad.  Those times I was in contention, and when I made a little money, were the best days of my life.  Nothing else ever came close.  I just wasn't good enough.  But if I hadn't tried I would have always wondered.  

 

I'm still out there trying to get better every day.  I just don't let my golf score define my life.  It's a LOT more fun to play now.  And I figure I've got a couple of U.S. Senior Am Qualifiers left in me.

 

Man I read the topic and the first post and could have wrote a post almost identical to this, although in my case replace sponsor with my Dad who basically went broke (something I never knew until years later) funding my worthless journey.  I went on the journey with another buddy that I played high school golf/local tournaments/AJGA etc with.  He stuck it out a few extra years and finally made it to the tour, won a couple events and has made a good living out there, but it was a brutal climb.   People don't realize that no matter what level you're at, that this game is your job.  Imagine showing up to work, working 12-16+ hours a day beating your body up, and going in debt over it...that's what it can be like golfing for a living.

 

I also stepped away for a few years and like you it roped me back in.  I'm now having fun with the game, have a great group that I play with (a couple who are also golf failures like me!).   My biggest frustrations is how much of my ability that I lost since giving up practicing, but I still love to get out there with the guys to play, bet some cash and talk some smack.  I didn't think I'd have love for the game ever again when I walked away from it.

 

I did end up finding a good career path for myself and my old man & Mom are both now taken care of, I refused to leave them hanging for all they did for me and how hard they believed in me.

Edited September 25, 2024 by MountainKing

[me05501]

Our attention is always on the people at the top with the talent, drive, resources, health, good fortune, etc. to reach the pinnacle of the sport and stay there.

 

This game is just relatable enough that we can pretend to see a little of ourselves in them.

 

The reality is so different from that. Any golfer with a name you remember off the top of your head is so much better than you can imagine. 

 

It's easier to grasp this same divide in other sports because we can see the best players do things that seem superhuman.

 

Being a top NFL quarterback is so rare that there aren't even enough of them to go around. There are maybe 10-12 guys at any given moment that a fan base would be excited to have on their team. The next 10-12 are considered long-term projects or placeholders until something better comes along. The bottom group are basically useless and ought to be replaced. 

 

The talent divide in golf is just as extreme. There are plenty of guys making a decent living on Tour who are still in awe of a few guys at the top. 

 

I think that's where the pressure comes from. Every step between where you are today and where you want to be requires you to not only survive but improve.

 

You were the best player on your team in college? Great. But you're not good enough.

 

You made a cut in a KF Tour event? Super. You're getting there. Now that you've achieved something that practically no one else on the planet can achieve, your new goal is to do that over and over again until it's a habit. 

 

It's nearly impossible if we're being honest. The fact that some people can do it is amazing. 

Edited October 7, 2024 by me05501

[MountainKing]

Yup - I'm lost

Edited October 7, 2024 by MountainKing

[me05501]

5 minutes ago, MountainKing said:

 

WTF does any of this have to do with Chicago area golf?

check title. Are you lost? 

[mshills]

11 minutes ago, MountainKing said:

 

WTF does any of this have to do with Chicago area golf?

That was a little aggressive. 

[MK7Golf21]

48 minutes ago, me05501 said:

Our attention is always on the people at the top with the talent, drive, resources, health, good fortune, etc. to reach the pinnacle of the sport and stay there.

 

This game is just relatable enough that we can pretend to see a little of ourselves in them.

 

The reality is so different from that. Any golfer with a name you remember off the top of your head is so much better than you can imagine. 

 

It's easier to grasp this same divide in other sports because we can see the best players do things that seem superhuman.

 

Being a top NFL quarterback is so rare that there aren't even enough of them to go around. There are maybe 10-12 guys at any given moment that a fan base would be excited to have on their team. The next 10-12 are considered long-term projects or placeholders until something better comes along. The bottom group are basically useless and ought to be replaced. 

 

The talent divide in golf is just as extreme. There are plenty of guys making a decent living on Tour who are still in awe of a few guys at the top. 

 

I think that's where the pressure comes from. Every step between where you are today and where you want to be requires you to not only survive but improve.

 

You were the best player on your team in college? Great. But you're not good enough.

 

You made a cut in a KF Tour event? Super. You're getting there. Now that you've achieved something that practically no one else on the planet can achieve, your new goal is to do that over and over again until it's a habit. 

 

It's nearly impossible if we're being honest. The fact that some people can do it is amazing. 

I would think playing college golf against top college talent will give you a good enough idea if you are good enough to give the pga tour a try. Your results in college will show you enough to make that decision and plus will help to open doors to make it an easier process getting status on the pga tour. Exemptions to certain pga tour events, sponsors etc. 

 

If you are just a grinder golfer outside of college golf trying to get on the pga tour. I’d imagine it would be much more stressful of a process. 

[jt2gt]

Most of the first hand stories on this thread are great...but not really stress of being a pro, more like stress of trying to be a pro.  Which yes, that can be stressful trying to make it at something maybe you just can't get over the top on.  But stress of being a pro...hmmm, keith mitchell, for example OWRG 83...FedEx 73, only won once.  Career earnings $15mil, lives in sea island with a bunch of buddes.  I think he's doin just fine.  

[MountainKing]

32 minutes ago, me05501 said:

check title. Are you lost? 

 

Very

[MtlJeff]

24 minutes ago, jt2gt said:

Most of the first hand stories on this thread are great...but not really stress of being a pro, more like stress of trying to be a pro.  Which yes, that can be stressful trying to make it at something maybe you just can't get over the top on.  But stress of being a pro...hmmm, keith mitchell, for example OWRG 83...FedEx 73, only won once.  Career earnings $15mil, lives in sea island with a bunch of buddes.  I think he's doin just fine.  

 

This is what i was saying earlier.....The OP question as asked was really more about being a pro. And your example is pretty on point that generally they are doing better than most

[MK7Golf21]

6 minutes ago, MtlJeff said:

 

This is what i was saying earlier.....The OP question as asked was really more about being a pro. And your example is pretty on point that generally they are doing better than most

yea, if you can play consistently then not as stressful but I would imagine trying to keep your card/make cuts is. Look at the struggles of Joel Dahmon in full swing series, golf is a fickle game. They make good money when the game is on point though. 

[MtlJeff]

2 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

yea, if you can play consistently then not as stressful but I would imagine trying to keep your card/make cuts is. Look at the struggles of Joel Dahmon in full swing series, golf is a fickle game. They make good money when the game is on point though. 

 

Well, again i think everything is relative---i don't want to trivialize what Dahmen went through because people at all levels go through emotional challenges, and struggle with depression etc (i believe numbers now are higher than they have ever been frankly)

 

So you do feel for him---but i also know many people in normal jobs struggling with the same things. So i dont think it's the golf that is putting him through this, specifically

[MK7Golf21]

2 hours ago, MtlJeff said:

 

Well, again i think everything is relative---i don't want to trivialize what Dahmen went through because people at all levels go through emotional challenges, and struggle with depression etc (i believe numbers now are higher than they have ever been frankly)

 

So you do feel for him---but i also know many people in normal jobs struggling with the same things. So i dont think it's the golf that is putting him through this, specifically

 

I believe he said in the full swing episode that he became more popular after the first season and when he played bad he felt like it was more visible to the public as a result, started drinking more etc. Golfers have their identity in how well they play given the fame and money, seems to be a struggle at that level for them. They can't really push pause and find their game, then come back.

 

Quite a bit different vs. the accountant at a big company. Everyone has their own struggles but just pointing out the ones when you are playing golf for a living. The good thing for them though is they make enough money in a year or two of decent play on the pga tour to set them up for life financially. 

[bladehunter]

2 hours ago, MtlJeff said:

 

Well, again i think everything is relative---i don't want to trivialize what Dahmen went through because people at all levels go through emotional challenges, and struggle with depression etc (i believe numbers now are higher than they have ever been frankly)

 

So you do feel for him---but i also know many people in normal jobs struggling with the same things. So i dont think it's the golf that is putting him through this, specifically

100-%. Try being a business owner post C word. I have had many months working 10-12 hours a day and losing money  doing it. And none of it as fun as hitting a ball. And none of it has the potential upside.  Materials cost these days is a literal guessing game. I could sooner forecast what the weather will do in a month then I could tell you my costs for doing a big job this far out. Unless the money is there upfront to buy supplies now that is the only way to beat this currently rigged the game.

[Maine Golfer]

Its stressful but if you have a college degree and fail at the PGA, I doubt your going to the streets. Its how you conduct yourself like anything else. Failing in one thing isn't the end of your life. 

[jt2gt]

19 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

I believe he said in the full swing episode that he became more popular after the first season and when he played bad he felt like it was more visible to the public as a result, started drinking more etc. Golfers have their identity in how well they play given the fame and money, seems to be a struggle at that level for them. They can't really push pause and find their game, then come back.

 

Quite a bit different vs. the accountant at a big company. Everyone has their own struggles but just pointing out the ones when you are playing golf for a living. The good thing for them though is they make enough money in a year or two of decent play on the pga tour to set them up for life financially. 

Gotta say...accountant at a big company can't push pause either.  He gettin up every morning and accounting if he wants that paycheck, whether he's having a good week, bad week, kids got in car accident, wife is on him to get house fixed up, parents want to visit for the weekend.  Big company executives lives are tons more stressful than a PGA golfer...its not even close.

[Maine Golfer]

Your only set for life if you live within your means. A couple million can be gone with kids and a middle class lifestyle EASY. I would never make the "set for life" statement. They have connections and good income for a bit, its up to them to figure ir out. 

[MK7Golf21]

1 minute ago, Maine Golfer said:

Your only set for life if you live within your means. A couple million can be gone with kids and a middle class lifestyle EASY. I would never make the "set for life" statement. They have connections and good income for a bit, it’s up to them to figure ir out. 

right, also you would need to have a financial advisor to help you make money off those millions you made by investing etc. That’s how it works. Doubt guys making that much money don’t have that going for them. 

[Maine Golfer]

5 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

right, also you would need to have a financial advisor to help you make money off those millions you made by investing etc. That’s how it works. Doubt guys making that much money don’t have that going for them. 

I wish em the best but its like anything, you need a plan! 

[Ghostwedge]

1 hour ago, jt2gt said:

Gotta say...accountant at a big company can't push pause either.  He gettin up every morning and accounting if he wants that paycheck, whether he's having a good week, bad week, kids got in car accident, wife is on him to get house fixed up, parents want to visit for the weekend.  Big company executives lives are tons more stressful than a PGA golfer...its not even close.

Not buying the "big company executives" lives are tons more stressful than a PGA golfer. PGA golfers have good and bad weeks, kids accidents, wife on their azz to fix stuff and parents that visit too. 

Example A is Badds...5 or 6 kids, shoots 5 over on Friday and missed the cut.

Limited entries available, wife with the side glance and kids wondering why dad is home for the weekend.