I gotta ask, are Zero torque putters just a flavor of the month ?

[3puttking14]

I feel like they may be good for people who miss left and right on the face, rather than than up and down. But realistically you could still pull or push the ball based on your grip tension so I still prefer regular styled putters.

[mmiicc]

6 hours ago, ChaosTheory said:

 

I am looking at their website, and I don't see it.  What model name?

this is probably what people are referring to

 

 

gotta say, i love every time this thread gets new life haha

[Orlandogolfguru]

4 hours ago, mmiicc said:

this is probably what people are referring to

 

 

gotta say, i love every time this thread gets new life haha

Yes!

[Jraallen]

Y’all are jerks lol. Wasn’t even interested in a zt ping putter or whatever name they use but clicked on it because why not.. and then I see not only a PLD craz-e but a just off center shafted ally blue 4.. my wallet does not need those temptations haha

[mshills]

23 hours ago, Zjhl2024 said:

does "zero torque" just means the shaft is attached to the middle? i thought this has been around for a long time... it's probably just marketing slogans re-branding so it looks like new tech?

No. Not the same thing at all. You can’t tell just by looking at a putter. 

[TiScape]

On 2/17/2025 at 4:46 AM, Orlandogolfguru said:

So much for ping staying out of the zt game. 

Per LAB, the Ping is not ZT and Ping isn’t claiming it to be. 

Edited February 18 by TiScape

[Orlandogolfguru]

14 minutes ago, TiScape said:

Per LAB, the Ping is not ZT and Ping isn’t claiming it to be. 

Messing with onset?  And torque profiles?  Ok. Not the same but…. 

[TiScape]

11 minutes ago, Orlandogolfguru said:

Messing with onset?  And torque profiles?  Ok. Not the same but…. 

Don’t shoot the messenger guru! 
 

2 weeks ago I thought and posted the same thing you did!

Edited February 18 by TiScape

[TiScape]

9 minutes ago, Orlandogolfguru said:

Messing with onset?  And torque profiles?  Ok. Not the same but…. 

 

 

 

 

 

 *I’ve always wanted to use this GIF! But had never had the right opportunity 😂 

Edited February 18 by TiScape

[iteachgolf]

14 minutes ago, Orlandogolfguru said:

Messing with onset?  And torque profiles?  Ok. Not the same but…. 

It isnt the same.  Onset putters have existed for a long time, Ping has even made some.  The shaft of that putter is behind the COG even though it has onset 

[Orlandogolfguru]

5 hours ago, iteachgolf said:

It isnt the same.  Onset putters have existed for a long time, Ping has even made some.  The shaft of that putter is behind the COG even though it has onset 

But very convenient timing. Veeeery convenient. 

[iteachgolf]

11 minutes ago, Orlandogolfguru said:

But very convenient timing. Veeeery convenient. 

A player asked for it.  They stuck by their beliefs while accommodating that players wishes. Don’t see the issue

[Orlandogolfguru]

1 hour ago, iteachgolf said:

A player asked for it.  They stuck by their beliefs while accommodating that players wishes. Don’t see the issue

A single player?  But they have 4-5 new models with different center shaft and torque profiles?  Did you look at that post with the models?  I’m not saying it’s an issue. I’m saying they are following the trend and not sticking to any belief. Except the $ belief 😊. More will come. Don’t be fooled.. money rules. Ping is a major company with one true goal. Profit. It rules all. They aren’t a non profit. 

[iteachgolf]

47 minutes ago, Orlandogolfguru said:

A single player?  But they have 4-5 new models with different center shaft and torque profiles?  Did you look at that post with the models?  I’m not saying it’s an issue. I’m saying they are following the trend and not sticking to any belief. Except the $ belief 😊. More will come. Don’t be fooled.. money rules. Ping is a major company with one true goal. Profit. It rules all. They aren’t a non profit. 

it’s two “center” shafted putters with one being very traditionally located. Both are well inside the COG and not even close to what LAB is doing.  They aren’t actually center shafted at all and are shafted towards the heel.  They are 100% sticking to their beliefs and Ping isn’t publicly traded and doesn’t have shareholders to please like all other companies.  You don’t have clue what you’re talking about with respect to “zero” torque putters or Ping as a company

[Veebee3]

It’s not zero torque but ping reps themselves have said they are following the recent trends of onset and center shafted putters. They will come around to zero torque eventually just like they came around to carbon in drivers and lighter head weight. 

[Veebee3]

6 hours ago, iteachgolf said:

A player asked for it.  They stuck by their beliefs while accommodating that players wishes. Don’t see the issue

So what happens when a player asks for a zero torque design? 

[Orlandogolfguru]

6 hours ago, Veebee3 said:

It’s not zero torque but ping reps themselves have said they are following the recent trends of onset and center shafted putters. They will come around to zero torque eventually just like they came around to carbon in drivers and lighter head weight. 

This - exactly. Of course they are - Ping Co is not oblivoius to income opportunity.

[Orlandogolfguru]

9 hours ago, iteachgolf said:

it’s two “center” shafted putters with one being very traditionally located. Both are well inside the COG and not even close to what LAB is doing.  They aren’t actually center shafted at all and are shafted towards the heel.  They are 100% sticking to their beliefs and Ping isn’t publicly traded and doesn’t have shareholders to please like all other companies.  You don’t have clue what you’re talking about with respect to “zero” torque putters or Ping as a company

Yep, I guess my buddy who works at Ping doesnt have a clue.  LOL - agree to disagree.

[iteachgolf]

5 hours ago, Orlandogolfguru said:

Yep, I guess my buddy who works at Ping doesnt have a clue.  LOL - agree to disagree.

If he thinks it’s even close to zero torque than correct, he doesn’t have a clue.  I know all the engineers at Ping with PHDs after their name. And have discussed this concept with them, going all the way back to the original Axis and DF putters.  
 

Ping absolutely will not sell something unless they believe it will help people and can prove it through research in a lab and with high sample size studies with players of all abilities.  Their threshold to bring a product to market is higher that any other oem 

[Glock917]

6 hours ago, Orlandogolfguru said:

Yep, I guess my buddy who works at Ping doesnt have a clue.  LOL - agree to disagree.

Yeah, one buddy who does exactly what? 😆

 

If Ping was all about profit they certainly do a lot of spending that the others companies sure deem as unnecessary. They hire numerous folks who are way over qualified just to get data and pay for instruments to get that data. They are truly a golf club company that just wants to make the best golf clubs. They have stakeholders but no board to appease to hit their quarterly marks. 

 

Not even a Ping fan and do not game their clubs but respect their company and mission.

 

16 hours ago, iteachgolf said:

 You don’t have clue what you’re talking about with respect to “zero” torque putters or Ping as a company

Its jarring you really do not know them as a company which justifies you really did not have a clue

[Veebee3]

3 hours ago, iteachgolf said:

If he thinks it’s even close to zero torque than correct, he doesn’t have a clue.  I know all the engineers at Ping with PHDs after their name. And have discussed this concept with them, going all the way back to the original Axis and DF putters.  
 

Ping absolutely will not sell something unless they believe it will help people and can prove it through research in a lab and with high sample size studies with players of all abilities.  Their threshold to bring a product to market is higher that any other oem 

So ping wont sell anything without rigorous testing and research proving it’s effectiveness unless of course a tour player asks for something trendy? From a ping tour rep:

 

“We’ve seen some popular models out here that have that onset, that really have that face in front of the shaft, and it kind of frees up the ball. Guys like the visual of that. Center shafts have been popular lately. We did our take on it.”

I have the utmost respect for ping but its ridiculous to act like they are the gatekeepers of technology and are the end all be all of what works vs what doesn’t. Maybe they should listen to market as much as they listen to tour players and PHDs. 

[iteachgolf]

30 minutes ago, Veebee3 said:

So ping wont sell anything without rigorous testing and research proving it’s effectiveness unless of course a tour player asks for something trendy? From a ping tour rep:

 

“We’ve seen some popular models out here that have that onset, that really have that face in front of the shaft, and it kind of frees up the ball. Guys like the visual of that. Center shafts have been popular lately. We did our take on it.”

I have the utmost respect for ping but its ridiculous to act like they are the gatekeepers of technology and are the end all be all of what works vs what doesn’t. Maybe they should listen to market as much as they listen to tour players and PHDs. 

they absolutely are the measuring stick for golf technology wise. And I don’t play a single Ping club.  They made Bryson a single length set, that was never ever going to come to retail.  Again they won’t sell anything without doing a ton of research and testing to prove its usefulness.  

[Veebee3]

2 minutes ago, iteachgolf said:

they absolutely are the measuring stick for golf technology wise. And I don’t play a single Ping club.  They made Bryson a single length set, that was never ever going to come to retail.  Again they won’t sell anything without doing a ton of research and testing to prove its usefulness.  

So youre confident that ping will not sell a putter with onset or a center shaft? Or are you saying their research will conveniently prove they are effective now that it’s trendy? They didn’t mass produce one length irons because they wouldnt sell. ZT, center shaft, onset etc is selling. 

 

Their engineering prowess is highly respected but that doesn’t mean they are on the cutting edge of all tech innovations. They make changes to their clubs every year and most arent all that innovative. Just look at their drivers. They added length to their line this year. Have all their PHDs just never bothered to test what driver length is best before? They also shaved weight this year to move closer to industry standard. They added carbon after half the industry started doing it. They are just a good company with good engineers, they aren’t infallible. 

[ElephantTusk]

11 hours ago, Veebee3 said:

So youre confident that ping will not sell a putter with onset or a center shaft? Or are you saying their research will conveniently prove they are effective now that it’s trendy? They didn’t mass produce one length irons because they wouldnt sell. ZT, center shaft, onset etc is selling. 

 

Their engineering prowess is highly respected but that doesn’t mean they are on the cutting edge of all tech innovations. They make changes to their clubs every year and most arent all that innovative. Just look at their drivers. They added length to their line this year. Have all their PHDs just never bothered to test what driver length is best before? They also shaved weight this year to move closer to industry standard. They added carbon after half the industry started doing it. They are just a good company with good engineers, they aren’t infallible. 

 

Onset and/or center shaft does not mean something is zero torque or even low torque.

 

If the shaft points at the center of gravity, you have zero torque. If the shaft points just past the CoG (toward the toe), you get a "toe up" putter. LAB points the shaft just past the CoG (toward the toe) AND back slightly. The does actually produce torque (as @labgolf has said on here before), but it ends up being a torque that actually slightly opens the face on the backswing and slightly closes it on the downswing to ultimately try to keep the face square to the path.

 

None of that is what those Ping putters are currently doing. You can even see Viktor carry it and it has completely normal toe hang (~45 degrees or so).

[ElephantTusk]

Just now, ElephantTusk said:

 

Onset and/or center shaft does not mean something is zero torque or even low torque.

 

If the shaft points at the center of gravity, you have zero torque. If the shaft points just past the CoG (toward the toe), you get a "toe up" putter. LAB points the shaft just past the CoG (toward the toe) AND back slightly. The does actually produce torque (as @labgolf has said on here before), but it ends up being a torque that actually slightly opens the face on the backswing and slightly closes it on the downswing to ultimately try to keep the face square to the path.

 

None of that is what those Ping putters are currently doing. You can even see Viktor carry it and it has completely normal toe hang (~45 degrees or so).

To be clear, it'd be sick if Ping did make them. But these are not the droids you're looking for.

[Veebee3]

2 hours ago, ElephantTusk said:

 

Onset and/or center shaft does not mean something is zero torque or even low torque.

 

If the shaft points at the center of gravity, you have zero torque. If the shaft points just past the CoG (toward the toe), you get a "toe up" putter. LAB points the shaft just past the CoG (toward the toe) AND back slightly. The does actually produce torque (as @labgolf has said on here before), but it ends up being a torque that actually slightly opens the face on the backswing and slightly closes it on the downswing to ultimately try to keep the face square to the path.

 

None of that is what those Ping putters are currently doing. You can even see Viktor carry it and it has completely normal toe hang (~45 degrees or so).

Read my post before that one. I know what zero torque is and I clearly stated that they are not zero torque. 

[Joe85]

Yes, it is just a fad. Consequently I just saw a Dandy in PIA whilst I was trading in a bunch of stuff and just grabbed it for 💩 s and giggles at $19.99

 

I don't need it because my old Seemore W Ground Plumb is the most automatic putter in history, but at $19.99 I just had to grab it 😆 

[Joe85]

I can't go through this whole thread but saw some posts saying dandy and backstryke aren't "torque free". 

 

 

Just an FYI, there were other putter as well.

 

Tour Edge did a "T Balance" line:

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=tour+edge+t+balance+putter+&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sca_esv=507b5eb73cf3aae3&udm=2&sxsrf=AHTn8zpFsukFqfMDU0KEgnduyK8ReIqGNw%3A1743647126273&ei=lvHtZ-OuENzLp84PgfihoQ0&oq=tour+edge+t+balance+putter+&gs_lp=EhJtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1pbWciG3RvdXIgZWRnZSB0IGJhbGFuY2UgcHV0dGVyIDIEEAAYHjIFECEYqwIyCBAAGIAEGKIEMggQABiABBiiBDIIEAAYogQYiQVI5z1QtwhY4DpwAHgAkAEAmAHkAqAB_xWqAQgzLjE3LjAuMbgBA8gBAPgBAZgCFKACmxXCAgcQIxgnGMkCwgIGEAAYCBgewgIFEAAYgATCAgoQIxiwAhgnGMkCwgIGEAAYBxgewgIHEAAYgAQYDcICBxAhGAoYqwKYAwCIBgGSBwYwLjE5LjGgB8ZcsgcGMC4xOS4xuAebFQ&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-img

 

[ScooterMcTavish]

Enjoying Ping getting dragged around, as Ping has been one of the most consistent manufacturers is offering centre-shafted options on at least one putter a year.  One of my current gamers is a Sigma 2 Kushin C, and the spare bag has a Sigma Kinloch C.  2025 models offer a Prime Tyne C.  So I don't see Ping being all that out of sorts with a centre shafted putter.

 

Still have one of these out in the spare bag - Slotline Inertial from the mid-late 80's with an "onset" hosel.  These were the bees knees - if you paired them with a set of Ping Eye 2, you were an obvious player.

 

They were offered with three choices of hosel - offset, straight, and onset.  The onset confused a lot of people at the time - looks like Slotline was well ahead of its time!  Maybe I need to bring this "zero-torque" masterpiece out of retirement!

 

 

Oh, and took a few swings with an Odyssey S2S Jailbird the other day at the golf store.  Ick.  Almost as dumb as these things, which actually also encouraged a press stroke:

Edited April 8 by ScooterMcTavish

[bcflyguy1]

Passing fad? No.

 

All-conquering revolution? Also no.