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Thinking of getting a set of T150 irons. The 44 degree pitching wedge complicates things a little with my current set. For those that went the T150 route, how did you space out your set? 

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Check out this thread for several responses on this. My setup is T150 PW 44*, T150 GW 49* (1 weak), SW 54*, LW 58* and I've had no issues with gapping.

 

 

 

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A lot of us have tried a bunch of combinations with all generations of t100-s, and now the t150’s. I still game the t100-s irons, and after some trial and error, I ended up bending the pitching wedge 1 degree weak (so 45*), a 50 degree gap wedge (vokey), 54* sand wedge bent to 55 degrees. Gapping issue solved, and have developed a good comfort level with the 5* gaps. 
Note - I did try the t100-s 48* gap wedge and it was just too hot even bent 1-2* weak. Didn’t have the amount of control i was used to with gw.

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30 years ago the typical eight iron set had the longest iron around 21° and the shortest iron was 48°. Guys that wanted to play a 5 wood or hybrid would use two wedges and the guys who didn’t would use three wedges. The lofts haven’t changed, just the number on the bottom of the club. Just gotta figure out which end of the bag needs more help for your game. 

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1 hour ago, RCGA said:

Vokey 48 is the answer for the better player 

I would say that a 46 degree Vokey would be much better than a 48 for even distance gapping, a friend of mine plays the T150 in 4-GW and when I hit them even the PW and GW go too far as they are much hotter than bladed wedges so this created too big a distance gap to a 48 degree Vokey, therefore a PW (44) then 46, 52 & 58 Vokeys would be the optimum solution in my opinion to integrate with a set PW at 44 degrees.

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T150 player and after trying different combos settled on Vokey 50* as gap (shafted exact same as iron set), 56* and then 60* in the SM10 standard wedge flex.  T150 set gap wedge was just too hot for me.  For me, the SM10 changes over SM9 moved me from 54* 58* to 56* 60* in order to hit my numbers due to lower trajectory and more spin so try not to get too hung up on the number on the bottom, play what gap outs correctly for you.

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34 minutes ago, JermWRX said:

My PW is 42 degrees. Then it goes 45, 49, 51, 56, 60.

4 wedges is more than enough for 99.99% of golfers (maybe excluding Phil Mickelson) so 5 or your case 6 wedges is plain overkill and will lead to way too few clubs at the top end of the bag to score optimally, unless you hit driver much further than the likes of Rory and only play on very short golf courses the lack of longer club options will be detrimental to your ability to score, just try 42, 46, 52 & 58 and learn the clock face system with these wedges to hit 1/2 and 3/4 shots with them thus giving you more than enough distinct yardages.

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2 minutes ago, ARSM1932 said:

4 wedges is more than enough for 99.99% of golfers (maybe excluding Phil Mickelson) so 5 or your case 6 wedges is plain overkill and will lead to way too few clubs at the top end of the bag to score optimally, unless you hit driver much further than the likes of Rory and only play on very short golf courses the lack of longer club options will be detrimental to your ability to score, just try 42, 46, 52 & 58 and learn the clock face system with these wedges to hit 1/2 and 3/4 shots with them thus giving you more than enough distinct yardages.

My wedge setup works great for me. Gapping goes from 150 to 70. I carry them because I don't like half swings. 5-9 iron cover 210-160. Ping iCrossover 2 iron goes 235. I play 6000-6500 yard tees for the most part.

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, daegyu said:

Thinking of getting a set of T150 irons. The 44 degree pitching wedge complicates things a little with my current set. For those that went the T150 route, how did you space out your set? 

My recommendation is to always hit the club first and see how far it flys compared to how far your next club is. 
 

We are talking at 2-4 yards of carry per degree of loft for most players.  Getting wrapped around the axel on on 4-5 degrees of gapping between pw and your next wedge is silly till you hit both clubs, on the same day, under the same conditions and see what the real gap is….

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I have other clubs I can sub into the set depending on the course. Typically I carry the t150 48 because it launches much higher than a like lofted Vokey. Once again, depending on course, I might sub in a 46, 48, 50, 52, etc... if it's windy, firm, soft, etc... As mentioned above, you might want to try the t150 48 and then a 46 or 48 or 50 specialty wedge to see how they gap for you. Sometimes just going by the loft doesn't automatically mean it will/won't work for you. 

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11 minutes ago, spineshank said:

I play the GW at 48, then go 54, 60. 

 

This is also what i did ----I might recommend going 48-52-60 depending on preference also. The 48 degree set wedge will be a lot hotter than a blade wedge , so you can also go 52 for a smaller gap

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4 T200/5-PW T150.  Wedge complicated things for me also.   Decided to go 48-52-56 to keep 4 degrees of gapping and dropped the 60.  I never used it much anyway but there are times I miss having a 60.  Thought about dropping the 4 but I love my 4 iron for longer iron shots and laying up on par 5's.  Hope that helps

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PW (43*) - 131

48* - 118

53* - 104

58* - 90

 

It gaps well for me, personally. I'd bet this would work well: T150 (44*), Vokey (48*, 52 or 54*, 58 or 60*). Realistically, most shots with less than a 48 should be feel shots anyway. 

 

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I've played off a 48* pw for a decade prior to getting the t150's so it was easy for me. I play 48, 53, 59. The biggest issue is the 125-130 yardage for me, mainly just would like a little more spin, might switch to a vokey 48* but I like the set 48 on full shots.

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I've got the T150 5 iron through 48° wedge. From there, I go 52° and 58°, although depending on the course, I may take a club out of the top of the bag and go 56° and 60° in place of the 58°. I'm very comfortable hitting my 52° anywhere from 115 to 90 yards, so it is very versatile, which means I don't have much of a gap between that and a sand/lob wedge. The T150 48° is basically an 11 iron for me.

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The stock lofts are stupid.   I went with the set gap and had the entire set bent 2 degrees weak.  So GW is 50, PW is 46 etc. 

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With my T150s I did 50, 55 (56 bent weak 1 deg) 60.

I thought I'd have more gapping issues, but TBH I started hitting a 3/4 PW for gapping, and then found I could hit any shot I really wanted. Or at least within my level.

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9 hours ago, JermWRX said:

My PW is 42 degrees. Then it goes 45, 49, 51, 56, 60.

Dang and I was worried about carrying 5 wedges haha. The top of your bag must be spaced out pretty far. 

 

Yup, just saw your post above. Sounds like it works for you!

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8 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

My recommendation is to always hit the club first and see how far it flys compared to how far your next club is. 
 

We are talking at 2-4 yards of carry per degree of loft for most players.  Getting wrapped around the axel on on 4-5 degrees of gapping between pw and your next wedge is silly till you hit both clubs, on the same day, under the same conditions and see what the real gap is….

Just wanted to see if there are others who were able to seamlessly transition into their current wedge setup. I'm trying to avoid having to buy new wedges on top of the irons so I was hoping for some confirmation bias that my current 50/56/60 would work. 

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2 minutes ago, daegyu said:

Just wanted to see if there are others who were able to seamlessly transition into their current wedge setup. I'm trying to avoid having to buy new wedges on top of the irons so I was hoping for some confirmation bias that my current 50/56/60 would work. 

I hear you.  
 

I guess my point was that setup will likely still work, but you won’t know for sure until you hit the new 44 degree club.

 

you could bend the 44 one degree weak to 45 and and have 5, 6, 4 degree gapping which makes sense.

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1 hour ago, MountainKing said:

The stock lofts are stupid.   I went with the set gap and had the entire set bent 2 degrees weak.  So GW is 50, PW is 46 etc. 

I thought about doing this as well but a Titleist rep suggested that I don't go more than 1 degree (not exactly sure what the reasoning is)

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6 minutes ago, daegyu said:

I thought about doing this as well but a Titleist rep suggested that I don't go more than 1 degree (not exactly sure what the reasoning is)

Yeah, I’d just go with the t100 if you want a t150 set bent weak 2 degrees.

 

the t150s are more a little “forgiving” because you get a little more ballspeed  (with a little more launch loft for loft) when comparing 7 iron to 7 iron.  If you bend them weak, you lose that ballspeed advantage they have, so end up with a higher launching t100, but not really more forgiving unless you are super low launch player.

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38 minutes ago, daegyu said:

I thought about doing this as well but a Titleist rep suggested that I don't go more than 1 degree (not exactly sure what the reasoning is)

 

I would put very little stock into what a rep tells you.   His job is selling equipment, not fitting.  Work with a qualified fitter and builder for this one. 

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11 hours ago, RCGA said:

Vokey 48 is the answer for the better player 

This is what I did.  54 & 58 after that.  No issues for me

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I play off a 44 degree 9i.  The numbers on the club don’t mean as much as the job(s) you are asking them to do.  I go 44, 49, 54, 59, 64.  Works for how I play my partial wedges as well as pitch shots (59) and bunker shots (64).  
 

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