Vokey V Grind vs M Grind

[ConnorO]

If I like the Vokey 08 M Grind would I like the V grind? Currently I have a 60° 08 M grind that I like and chip well with, but I want to see the leading edge closer to the turf. I would try the 04 T grind, however I think the T grind is too low of bounce for me on full shots. I keep hearing that the V grind is a higher bounce T grind, so I just wanted to get some feedback from you guys on if it would be a good idea or not to get a V grind. I don’t want to buy a V grind and then be stuck with a wedge I don’t like.

[Jeff58]

1 hour ago, ConnorO said:

I would try the 04 T grind, however I think the T grind is too low of bounce for me on full shots.

 

As an 04T user, bounce on full shots is not typically their limiting feature. That said, I’d definitely not recommend them without demoing them, and really wouldn’t recommend them at all.

 

1 hour ago, ConnorO said:

I don’t want to buy a V grind and then be stuck with a wedge I don’t like.

The best bounce and grind combination for a particular loft for a particular golfer is combination of their use(s), course conditions, and swing mechanics. Unless you can demo a specific combination yourself, you’re guessing, and non-optimal solutions are going to be more common than “perfect” ones.

 

1 hour ago, ConnorO said:

I keep hearing that the V grind is a higher bounce T grind,

It’s similar to a T in that it has little to no heal and toe relief. The V gives it some additional resistance to digging. If your goal is to have the leading edge low, IMO either develop a non-open swing mechanic with added wrist hinge or consider Cleveland wedges.

[SAM_PGA]

22 hours ago, ConnorO said:

If I like the Vokey 08 M Grind would I like the V grind? Currently I have a 60° 08 M grind that I like and chip well with, but I want to see the leading edge closer to the turf. I would try the 04 T grind, however I think the T grind is too low of bounce for me on full shots. I keep hearing that the V grind is a higher bounce T grind, so I just wanted to get some feedback from you guys on if it would be a good idea or not to get a V grind. I don’t want to buy a V grind and then be stuck with a wedge I don’t like.

As far as visuals on a square to target face, the leading edge will sit the same on the V.  It has a lot of actual measured bounce, but Vokey measures their bounce angles by “playability” thus the lower published bounce angle.  When opening the face and adding loft, the leading edge does not elevate as much do to the more forward bounce.  

 

I have both, 58V bent to 59º and a 60M.  Love the V on partial and full shots and much prefer the forward bounce, meaning the actual bounce of the club interacts with the turf closer to the ball at contact.  It’s NOT as effective in softer sand, but that’s about the only BIG negative for me.  All depending on your delivery for partial and shots around the green the sole will interact more and resist moving through the ground.

 

The M is Vokey’s “My Favorite” wedge, he actually told me his team calls it the “Mother F%*$@R” because it is a very tedious and time consuming grind to hand make.  The M is the jack of all trades, master of none and does everything well.  Great in all conditions with a lot of measured initial bounce on the leading edge.  

 

If you like the M and need more bounce, go with the D as it’s a higher bounce M.  If you want turf interaction closer to the ball with square and open face shots, the V is the answer while still providing playability and turf forgiveness (higher bounce) on full and 3/4 shots. 

[tannerdc]

Not an expert by any means...

 

How about an A+?  It's a 58.08 M grind w the edge ground off.  I have played a 58.08 M for years.  I tried the 58.04 T to get leading edge a little lower on chips/flops and it was a great success, but the full shots kept digging and required a little more bounce.  So when the A+ came out...I got it sight unseen and it's been "best of both worlds".

[Glock917]

On 2/5/2025 at 8:18 AM, ConnorO said:

If I like the Vokey 08 M Grind would I like the V grind?

100% I was at a fitting event that had a titleist tent.

 

I really wish I took a pictures of it and other comparisons i did.

 

However they had a bag of wedges of various grinds but had certain wedges that had stamps on them like heel relief, toe relief, trailing edge, tour grind, leading edge, and one with V stamped all over.

 

The V stamped wedge was just a standard M grind and when you looked at it side by side its apparent that they just get a M grind and more of that trailing edge is taken off and some of the surrounding areas. Kinda cool seeing it side by side.

 

For me I actually was glad that they let me try a K* to compare it with my T grind

[hammergolf]

4 hours ago, SAM_PGA said:

As far as visuals on a square to target face, the leading edge will sit the same on the V.  It has a lot of actual measured bounce, but Vokey measures their bounce angles by “playability” thus the lower published bounce angle.  When opening the face and adding loft, the leading edge does not elevate as much do to the more forward bounce.  

 

I have both, 58V bent to 59º and a 60M.  Love the V on partial and full shots and much prefer the forward bounce, meaning the actual bounce of the club interacts with the turf closer to the ball at contact.  It’s NOT as effective in softer sand, but that’s about the only BIG negative for me.  All depending on your delivery for partial and shots around the green the sole will interact more and resist moving through the ground.

 

The M is Vokey’s “My Favorite” wedge, he actually told me his team calls it the “Mother F%*$@R” because it is a very tedious and time consuming grind to hand make.  The M is the jack of all trades, master of none and does everything well.  Great in all conditions with a lot of measured initial bounce on the leading edge.  

 

If you like the M and need more bounce, go with the D as it’s a higher bounce M.  If you want turf interaction closer to the ball with square and open face shots, the V is the answer while still providing playability and turf forgiveness (higher bounce) on full and 3/4 shots. 

Same issue I’ve always had with v grind wedges. They are fantastic with square faced shots and open face shots on fwy lies. However, open faced shots from bunkers and rough were awful since there is very limited bounce on the trailing edge. 

Edited February 6 by hammergolf

[jasman29]

I used to play the M grind but found that for my swing and angle of attack it was not the right grind for me, to little bounce and bounce is your friend or my friend. I found this out when I went a few years back to get fitted for my wedges at TPI. I didnt get fitted by Mr Vokey but he was there watching the fitter (Mr Vokey and a friend of mine are good friends which is why I think he was there watching, he was nice enough to invite me to his office and chat and gave me a hat and box of balls with his logo on them) sorry to detract, anyway, was fitted in the D grind in my LW/SW. I really enjoyed the D grind for a few years and had lots of success, it was very versatile for my game and my chipping/pitching greatly improved, with practice as well.

 

They this past year they released the V grind. I had some script on the books at my club and after lots of research and talking with a Titleist rep, I decided to get a 58 V grind. I play lots of firm bunkers out here and rarely play where there is super soft sand but I absolutely love this grind. I can hit all the shots I used to hit with the D grind and feel, for me, it is better out of the rough. It didnt take too much time for me to get comfortable with this wedge and I really love the V grind wedge, would they fit me into it if I went back to TPI for a fitting, not sure, but I can tell you that my short game has not suffered one bit. 

[JDIL]

I have a 60D, and I play it okay. 80% of the time it's good but do sometimes wish it was lower. V Grind has always enticed me, but wondering how would an M grind play bent 1-2 degrees weak? More bounce than a D or V?

[Bwain]

On 2/6/2025 at 11:37 AM, Glock917 said:

100% I was at a fitting event that had a titleist tent.

 

I really wish I took a pictures of it and other comparisons i did.

 

However they had a bag of wedges of various grinds but had certain wedges that had stamps on them like heel relief, toe relief, trailing edge, tour grind, leading edge, and one with V stamped all over.

 

The V stamped wedge was just a standard M grind and when you looked at it side by side its apparent that they just get a M grind and more of that trailing edge is taken off and some of the surrounding areas. Kinda cool seeing it side by side.

 

For me I actually was glad that they let me try a K* to compare it with my T grind

How was the K* compared to the T?

 

Hard to buy a $250 wedge sight unseen. 

[jasman29]

13 hours ago, JDIL said:

I have a 60D, and I play it okay. 80% of the time it's good but do sometimes wish it was lower. V Grind has always enticed me, but wondering how would an M grind play bent 1-2 degrees weak? More bounce than a D or V?

I tried that with a 58M bent weak. Still couldn’t get consistent with it. I’m steeper in my technique so the added bounce on the D and the V being a bit more bounce than the M suited me best. 
 

I also had the K for a while, that wedge is good out of soft bunkers but most bunkers where I play are firmer. 

[Glock917]

On 2/8/2025 at 8:10 AM, Bwain said:

How was the K* compared to the T?

 

Hard to buy a $250 wedge sight unseen. 

 

Exactly! Really hard just looking at top view photos of the sole. I did get the original wedgeworks T grind sight unseen but it was a like new item I got for half. Way harder at ~$250.

 

But I could see why lot of the notable guys that play T grind has started using the K* or at least have both to choose from. I had them both at address position on fairway grass and when layed all the open, the leading edge on both looked the same. I had to put them both on flat surface to barely tell the T sat lower but on tight grass it was negligible.

I would not have any hesitation in getting that leading edge right under the ball and it played like it. Did not get to use it in a bunker obviously but could tell it be better out of fluffy sand. 

 

The K* looked bigger as in the face profile. Not sure if my wedgeworks T grind has that tour grind which makes the edges around the face smoother but mine has smoother bevels that lined the face.

 

I'm glad I got to see and compare as I would not have that perception of it from pics but at the same time cursing that I kind of want one and have one in my cart lol 😆

 

[Bwain]

1 hour ago, Glock917 said:

 

Exactly! Really hard just looking at top view photos of the sole. I did get the original wedgeworks T grind sight unseen but it was a like new item I got for half. Way harder at ~$250.

 

But I could see why lot of the notable guys that play T grind has started using the K* or at least have both to choose from. I had them both at address position on fairway grass and when layed all the open, the leading edge on both looked the same. I had to put them both on flat surface to barely tell the T sat lower but on tight grass it was negligible.

I would not have any hesitation in getting that leading edge right under the ball and it played like it. Did not get to use it in a bunker obviously but could tell it be better out of fluffy sand. 

 

The K* looked bigger as in the face profile. Not sure if my wedgeworks T grind has that tour grind which makes the edges around the face smoother but mine has smoother bevels that lined the face.

 

I'm glad I got to see and compare as I would not have that perception of it from pics but at the same time cursing that I kind of want one and have one in my cart lol 😆

 

I should probably sell a few of my 60* experiments from the seemingly never ending quest to find the perfect lob wedge in order to finance the next candidate!

[Bye]

Sounds like you should try an L grind. It’s basically a lower bounce version of the M. No doubt the T grind sits lower when opened up, but the forward bounce changes the turf interaction a bit.

 

 

[Thayneil]

14 hours ago, Glock917 said:

 

Exactly! Really hard just looking at top view photos of the sole. I did get the original wedgeworks T grind sight unseen but it was a like new item I got for half. Way harder at ~$250.

 

But I could see why lot of the notable guys that play T grind has started using the K* or at least have both to choose from. I had them both at address position on fairway grass and when layed all the open, the leading edge on both looked the same. I had to put them both on flat surface to barely tell the T sat lower but on tight grass it was negligible.

I would not have any hesitation in getting that leading edge right under the ball and it played like it. Did not get to use it in a bunker obviously but could tell it be better out of fluffy sand. 

 

The K* looked bigger as in the face profile. Not sure if my wedgeworks T grind has that tour grind which makes the edges around the face smoother but mine has smoother bevels that lined the face.

 

I'm glad I got to see and compare as I would not have that perception of it from pics but at the same time cursing that I kind of want one and have one in my cart lol 😆

 

Especially when the heads cost Titleist about 6$ to buy

[clemsondds]

On 2/8/2025 at 3:31 PM, jasman29 said:

I tried that with a 58M bent weak. Still couldn’t get consistent with it. I’m steeper in my technique so the added bounce on the D and the V being a bit more bounce than the M suited me best. 
 

I also had the K for a while, that wedge is good out of soft bunkers but most bunkers where I play are firmer. 

So you had a 58 bent to 60? So that would have added two degrees of bounce right? making it a 60.10 M grind? But I think you said you still preffered the D and V better even though the v has 10 degrees and D has 12 degrees right?  

 

Anyone else have thoughts on V vs M grind?  

[jasman29]

On 6/6/2025 at 2:00 PM, clemsondds said:

So you had a 58 bent to 60? So that would have added two degrees of bounce right? making it a 60.10 M grind? But I think you said you still preffered the D and V better even though the v has 10 degrees and D has 12 degrees right?  

 

Anyone else have thoughts on V vs M grind?  

 

Correct, effectively it would have same bounce as the others, however, I believe when bending it does change the offset of the wedge slightly (at least that is what my club fitter told me) as well as visually looking like it did. You know how we are when something doesn't look quite right we try to compensate or adjust our technique. I took that wedge with me to my fitting at TPI and my fitter there is who put me in the D grind and now I like the V grind (self fit for this one) and have had very good success with the V, still have the D as a backup wedge. 

[Pepperturbo]

On 2/5/2025 at 8:18 AM, ConnorO said:

If I like the Vokey 08 M Grind would I like the V grind? Currently I have a 60° 08 M grind that I like and chip well with, but I want to see the leading edge closer to the turf. I would try the 04 T grind, however I think the T grind is too low of bounce for me on full shots. I keep hearing that the V grind is a higher bounce T grind, so I just wanted to get some feedback from you guys on if it would be a good idea or not to get a V grind. I don’t want to buy a V grind and then be stuck with a wedge I don’t like.

Depending on your skill, similar to "M", but "V" has 10' bounce more forward in the sole, and in heel, gets closer to the ground, good for tight flops. 

 

I have been using "M" since 2016, SM6, SM9 versions.  I open the face up all the time.  Bought the T grind when SM10 line was introduced, like it too only hardy use it.  It's not a favorable wedge for winter/wet conditions.

 

I have been pondering "V" for a while now.  My apprehension is, it only comes in RAW finish which looks ugly in a short time.  I like tour chrome.

Edited June 9 by Pepperturbo

[clemsondds]

19 minutes ago, Pepperturbo said:

Depending on your skill, similar to "M", but "V" has 10' bounce more forward in the sole, and in heel, gets closer to the ground, good for tight flops. 

 

I have been using "M" since 2016, SM6, SM9 versions.  I open the face up all the time.  Bought the T grind when SM10 line was introduced, like it too only hardy use it.  It's not a favorable wedge for winter/wet conditions.

 

I have been pondering "V" for a while now.  My apprehension is, it only comes in oil can finish which looks ugly in a short time.  I like tour chrome.

V comes in raw. I guess that’s what you meant. 

[Pepperturbo]

5 minutes ago, clemsondds said:

V comes in raw. I guess that’s what you meant. 

Yes... I'll change that.

[Florida Gator]

Check this post out, I have a 58V, 58M and 58 Low Bounce K and shared pics and what I think of them:

 

https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1975329-vokey-60-degree-low-bounce-k-vs-v-grind/?do=findComment&comment=25753731

 

Also, ask any questions you want…

Edited June 10 by Florida Gator

[jasman29]

On 6/9/2025 at 11:49 AM, Pepperturbo said:

Depending on your skill, similar to "M", but "V" has 10' bounce more forward in the sole, and in heel, gets closer to the ground, good for tight flops. 

 

I have been using "M" since 2016, SM6, SM9 versions.  I open the face up all the time.  Bought the T grind when SM10 line was introduced, like it too only hardy use it.  It's not a favorable wedge for winter/wet conditions.

 

I have been pondering "V" for a while now.  My apprehension is, it only comes in RAW finish which looks ugly in a short time.  I like tour chrome.

 

I personally love the raw and how it patinas. I have custom stamping on mine and I think for most its just a personal thing in how it looks over time. Here is a pic of mine for reference, I have my sons initials stamped in all my L wedges.