Masters Tournament 2025 (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS ***)

[redfirebird08]

14 minutes ago, shortshadow said:

 

You're way into trying to make me a bad guy here.

 

Tiger is my favorite golfer.

 

But, no one wants to hear someone join many many tournaments only to be told he couldn't get it done because of some lingering issues.  For a few years sure..I can except that.  But for like 8 to 10 years?

 

I yet the back issue was before the car wreck, and the car wreck was serious business.

 

I STILL stand by my opinion that the proper thing to do was to not lean into those injuries so much.

 

I mean, best ever...trying to hang on amongst some serious injuries late in his career....i get forcing himself to try and play and hang on as Father Time was at his golf career foot steps...

 

But it seems like it's been 10 years straight of entering and withdrawing tournaments early.

 

Not being rude, but everyone knows he is going through things.  Either don't enter tournaments or don't talk about the injuries...just say 'I tried, but couldnt get it done this week'

 

 

The easiest thing to do would be to retire. Maybe he will do that soon. I'd rather see him do that compared to shooting in the upper 70's and 80's at the majors like he did last year. 

[CasualLie]

6 hours ago, Ghost of Snead said:

 

Bryson needs to work on his iron play. 

 

He is, as we speak!  Modern way of doing it.  Instead of hitting balls, you put on a lab coat to look all official while standing next to the club designer.

Edited April 15 by CasualLie

[NosajNeelik]

5 hours ago, bladehunter said:

Bryson hitting 3 wood on 18 for sure. I can’t remember 9.  And I’d have to see 15 to believe that. Rory was behind the trees. I think Bryson was even  with him or ahed in the opening.  Rory pulled his hard.  This is so funny.  When you hate a guy. Apparently you don’t pay any attention to what club he’s hitting.  

Except he wasn’t. They both hit drivers on 1, 8, 9 etc….bryson is just a blowhard look at me type. I mean his whole “entrance” in the first tee is just nauseating. Funny how the act dried up after shooting himself out of contention. Or sorry, his iron letting him down and the unfair greens lol 

[CasualLie]

The funny thing about the question and answer regarding what did Rory/BDC talk about... What were they supposed to be talking about?!

 

Rory: How are the kids?

BDC: Don't have any

 

Rory: Catch that Manchester match?

BDC: What's that?

 

Rory: What should I know about single length irons?

BDC: Hate them right now

 

Rory: Seeing anyone special?

BDC: Only have time for myself

 

These guys have literally nothing in common.  So what's to talk about?

[CDM]

5 minutes ago, CasualLie said:

The funny thing about the question and answer regarding what did Rory/BDC talk about... What were they supposed to be talking about?!

 

Rory: How are the kids?

BDC: Don't have any

 

Rory: Catch that Manchester match?

BDC: What's that?

 

Rory: What should I know about single length irons?

BDC: Hate them right now

 

Rory: Seeing anyone special?

BDC: Only have time for myself

 

These guys have literally nothing in common.  So what's to talk about?

LOL pretty good........but you have the last one wrong.    If the rumores are ture anmd he is really dating:  

 

https://www.instagram.com/lilia_schneider/?hl=en

 

Yea......might just have to give "some" credit 🤣

[shortshadow]

7 minutes ago, redfirebird08 said:

 

 

The easiest thing to do would be to retire. Maybe he will do that soon. I'd rather see him do that compared to shooting in the upper 70's and 80's at the majors like he did last year. 

 

It just becomes a boy who cried wolf situation after a while.

 

If he wants to try and play, play...just say you couldn't put it together this week.

 

Also, if you know there is a good chance your body can't hold up, don't enter the tournament. Or, if there is money or sponsor pressure to play when he knows his body can't do it 100%...just go out there and have fun and don't push your body to the brink of breaking down and withdrawing.

 

Just seems reasonable to me.

 

Going on and on about gear or injuries makes viewers desensitized after a certain amount of time.

 

Bryson and Tiger have two different issues...Tigers is worse, injuries.  Bryson seems to be pushing innovation with ideas, good or bad, but I still don't like gear excuses or swing excuses.

 

Perfecting something is not bad, but at this level, continuity seems to be most important, imo.  Bryson has said it himself "it's about repeatability".  Basically make your swing mechanical so it's consistent.  I don't know how you can do that while at the same time tinkering with gear and swing...you aren't dialing something in if you're always changing it.

 

 

[CDM]

1 minute ago, shortshadow said:

Perfecting something is not bad, but at this level, continuity seems to be most important, imo.  Bryson has said it himself "it's about repeatability".  Basically make your swing mechanical so it's consistent.  I don't know how you can do that while at the same time tinkering with gear and swing...you aren't dialing something in if you're always changing it.

 

Great point. As an engineer we try to remove variables.  So why he "tinkers" with his irons is odd to me. 

 

Honestly he wants no varibale, to get one single consistent outcome....GO STRAIGHT UP BLADES....!   Get the swing weight / shaft setup right and should be ZERO excuse it was the irons.   

 

If it is 5 yards short/long or 5 yards left or right then you know it was you, not the club.   

 

Given how analytical he is I am very surprised he has not do this.  He was the one with the "hot new concept" at last years Masters with ireons, Bugle/Rolll or whatever..........but that only tells me he is doing to fix the misses in a swing.  So as much as he was not on target at Masters, if he did not have his fancy game saving irons, how far off would he have been...!     Just a side note, maybe not swing it as F'n fast every time and you will be in the center more, and still faster then 95% of the golfers out there...! 

 

ITS GOLF....its supposed to be hard...! 

[PZero]

6 hours ago, azgreg said:

🤣

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIb5QqLArfK/?igsh=MTZqZzJ1cmFkOWZidw%3D%3D

 

Crying over Rory winning and your last name isn't McIlroy, shouldn't be a thing. I saw a couple reddit posts saying they had tears when he won, but reddit is pretty low T in general.

[CasualLie]

23 minutes ago, CDM said:

LOL pretty good........but you have the last one wrong.    If the rumores are ture anmd he is really dating:  

 

https://www.instagram.com/lilia_schneider/?hl=en

 

Yea......might just have to give "some" credit 🤣

 

I don't have it wrong.  I was being kind. 😉

[shortshadow]

8 minutes ago, CDM said:

 

Great point. As an engineer we try to remove variables.  So why he "tinkers" with his irons is odd to me. 

 

Honestly he wants no varibale, to get one single consistent outcome....GO STRAIGHT UP BLADES....!   Get the swing weight / shaft setup right and should be ZERO excuse it was the irons.   

 

If it is 5 yards short/long or 5 yards left or right then you know it was you, not the club.   

 

Given how analytical he is I am very surprised he has not do this.  He was the one with the "hot new concept" at last years Masters with ireons, Bugle/Rolll or whatever..........but that only tells me he is doing to fix the misses in a swing.  So as much as he was not on target at Masters, if he did not have his fancy game saving irons, how far off would he have been...!     Just a side note, maybe not swing it as F'n fast every time and you will be in the center more, and still faster then 95% of the golfers out there...! 

 

ITS GOLF....its supposed to be hard...! 

 

Has he done a youtube video or series on hitting the course and not swinging as hard every time?  Would be interesting to see.

 

 

[scores]

RM won this tournament with the Yip's, He played so well considering it.Those greens are so sloppy and fast. 

I could see the right hand twitch over those short putts however, he hit close enough in the playoff to win this great event. RM found away to win!!

 

[NosajNeelik]

1 hour ago, shortshadow said:

 

It just becomes a boy who cried wolf situation after a while.

 

If he wants to try and play, play...just say you couldn't put it together this week.

 

Also, if you know there is a good chance your body can't hold up, don't enter the tournament. Or, if there is money or sponsor pressure to play when he knows his body can't do it 100%...just go out there and have fun and don't push your body to the brink of breaking down and withdrawing.

 

Just seems reasonable to me.

 

Going on and on about gear or injuries makes viewers desensitized after a certain amount of time.

 

Bryson and Tiger have two different issues...Tigers is worse, injuries.  Bryson seems to be pushing innovation with ideas, good or bad, but I still don't like gear excuses or swing excuses.

 

Perfecting something is not bad, but at this level, continuity seems to be most important, imo.  Bryson has said it himself "it's about repeatability".  Basically make your swing mechanical so it's consistent.  I don't know how you can do that while at the same time tinkering with gear and swing...you aren't dialing something in if you're always changing it.

 

 

He thinks he can overcome biology which he can’t. We’re not robots. We have feelings and nerves, you can try and overcome these but you can’t. 

[saebaebae]

21 hours ago, DayDrinker said:

There were alot of idiotic posts yesterday but this one takes the cake. Just pure perfection of talking out of your butt. 

Well I can admit it wasn’t looking pretty for Rory, and I will take this comment like a man. No re-buddle from me. I do think it would have been a little different if Bryson could capitalized but, it’s golf! 

[Golfnutgalen]

1 hour ago, scores said:

RM won this tournament with the Yip's, He played so well considering it.Those greens are so sloppy and fast. 

I could see the right hand twitch over those short putts however, he hit close enough in the playoff to win this great event. RM found away to win!!

 

 

Both Rory and Bryson putted terribly in the final group. Correy Connors in the group ahead putted even worse. Patrick Reed his playing partner was good except for that debacle on 13. 

 

Somebody who didn't have putting issues was Scottie Scheffler.

[Hawkeye77]

2 hours ago, shortshadow said:

 

You're way into trying to make me a bad guy here.

 

Tiger is my favorite golfer.

 

But, no one wants to hear someone join many many tournaments only to be told he couldn't get it done because of some lingering issues.  For a few years sure..I can except that.  But for like 8 to 10 years?

 

I yet the back issue was before the car wreck, and the car wreck was serious business.

 

I STILL stand by my opinion that the proper thing to do was to not lean into those injuries so much.

 

I mean, best ever...trying to hang on amongst some serious injuries late in his career....i get forcing himself to try and play and hang on as Father Time was at his golf career foot steps...

 

But it seems like it's been 10 years straight of entering and withdrawing tournaments early.

 

Not being rude, but everyone knows he is going through things.  Either don't enter tournaments or don't talk about the injuries...just say 'I tried, but couldnt get it done this week'

 

So you are a Tiger fan but are so totally ignorant of what he says and has endured?  He "leans" into his injuries? Some "lingering" issues for "like 8-10 years" which you can't "except" [sic]?

 

LOL is charitable.

 

Forget about the surgeries and issues with leg/knee, just put the car accident off to the side . . . he had six back surgeries in that 8-10 year period you suggest.  

 

You keep criticizing him for using his injuries as "excuses" - in the history of sport, for someone that has gone through the sheer numbers of procedures he has, let alone the physical limitations and pain he's suffered, he pretty much stands apart as someone who hadn't used his injuries as an "excuse" or (WTF) like you said in another rambling mess acted like some boy who cried wolf - that's literally nonsense. The CIA would have had trouble getting much info out of him or his team about most of his medical journey - and he's shared some, on occasion, but again no excuses.  He's never been one to spend much time talking about his injuries --- you watch the 2008 U.S. Open? Read about it?

 

You're making assertions that are the opposite of what he's said and how he's acted throughout.  

 

I guess you aren't the "bad guy" --- you just don't know anything about Tiger Woods, your favorite player.

Edited April 15 by Hawkeye77

[CDM]

1 hour ago, scores said:

RM won this tournament with the Yip's, He played so well considering it.Those greens are so sloppy and fast. 

I could see the right hand twitch over those short putts however, he hit close enough in the playoff to win this great event. RM found away to win!!

 

 

I dont think that is the yips at all. If you look back at his putting when he won all his prior majors he was using a Scotty, I think newport.  IMHO he rolled it great with that, It seems when you watch him now with spider it it speed control issues.  IMHO the spider with the insert is not a good putter for him, the feel off the face does not give the same feedback at all like SC Newport.   

[Hawkeye77]

1 hour ago, scores said:

RM won this tournament with the Yip's, He played so well considering it.Those greens are so sloppy and fast. 

I could see the right hand twitch over those short putts however, he hit close enough in the playoff to win this great event. RM found away to win!!

 

 

LOL. And . . . LOL.

 

Rory doesn't have the putting yips, Brandel.  Not at all, not even close.  

 

[Hawkeye77]

3 hours ago, CDM said:

 

I dont think that is the yips at all. If you look back at his putting when he won all his prior majors he was using a Scotty, I think newport.  IMHO he rolled it great with that, It seems when you watch him now with spider it it speed control issues.  IMHO the spider with the insert is not a good putter for him, the feel off the face does not give the same feedback at all like SC Newport.   

 

I assume he and Faxon have the right putter figured out and could list the reasons but since they didn't ask me, that putter doesn't seem to fit with the free himself to putt, feel, creative kind of narrative they've worked on so much. Seems more of a putter for a mechanical kind of guy but I've never used one. Newport would be a more sensible style. 

Edited April 16 by Hawkeye77

[greenomics]

2 hours ago, CasualLie said:

The funny thing about the question and answer regarding what did Rory/BDC talk about... What were they supposed to be talking about?!

 

Rory: How are the kids?

BDC: Don't have any

 

Rory: Catch that Manchester match?

BDC: What's that?

 

Rory: What should I know about single length irons?

BDC: Hate them right now

 

Rory: Seeing anyone special?

BDC: Only have time for myself

 

These guys have literally nothing in common.  So what's to talk about?

Reminds me of the Old Country Buffet training video. 

 

 

 

[shortshadow]

33 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

So you are a Tiger fan but are so totally ignorant of what he says and has endured?  He "leans" into his injuries? Some "lingering" issues for "like 8-10 years" which you can't "except" [sic]?

 

LOL is charitable.

 

Forget about the surgeries and issues with leg/knee, just put the car accident off to the side . . . he had six back surgeries in that 8-10 year period you suggest.  

 

You keep criticizing him for using his injuries as "excuses" - in the history of sport, for someone that has gone through the sheer numbers of procedures he has, let alone the physical limitations and pain he's suffered, he pretty much stands apart as someone who hadn't used his injuries as an "excuse" or (WTF) like you said in another rambling mess acted like some boy who cried wolf - that's literally nonsense. The CIA would have had trouble getting much info out of him or his team about most of his medical journey - and he's shared some, on occasion, but again no excuses.  He's never been one to spend much time talking about his injuries --- you watch the 2008 U.S. Open? Read about it?

 

You're making assertions that are the opposite of what he's said and how he's acted throughout.  

 

I guess you aren't the "bad guy" --- you just don't know anything about Tiger Woods, your favorite player.

 

Yawn.

 

You're polarizing what I'm saying in a lame attempt to gaslight.

 

It's trashy on your part.

 

Whatever you want to think of me over an opinion about injury excuses and me using tiger, a player that has a long recent history of withdrawing.

 

Side step it, though.  Your alpha

[NosajNeelik]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

LOL. And . . . LOL.

 

Rory doesn't have the putting yips, Brandel.  Not at all, not even close.  

 

Yea if he thinks that’s the yips…he hasn’t seen my father in laws’ putting stroke complete with a right arm tremor!!

Edited April 16 by NosajNeelik

[m d g]

7 minutes ago, NosajNeelik said:

Yea if he thinks that’s the yips…he hasn’t seen my father in laws’ putting stroke complete with a right arm tremor!!

 

Once in a while I play with a guy who hits it a mile, but is the world's worst putter. Nobody even gives him 9-inch putts. He can turn a 2-footer into an 8-footer. I've resorted to looking away as it's too painful to watch : )

[RoverTiger]

1 hour ago, greenomics said:

Reminds me of the Old Country Buffet training video. 

 

 

 

I haven't seen that in ages. I remedy that tonight.

[Titleist99]

4 hours ago, redfirebird08 said:

 

 

The easiest thing to do would be to retire. Maybe he will do that soon. I'd rather see him do that compared to shooting in the upper 70's and 80's at the majors like he did last year. 

 

If Tiger had retired, he wouldn't have been eligible for PIP money.🤣

 

Tiger can't retire now because of the new Player Equity Program.

 

~Don't know if any of the above is true but let's wait until Tiger turn 50 before we put him out to pasture.

[shortshadow]

3 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

 

If Tiger had retired, he wouldn't have been eligible for PIP money.🤣

 

Tiger can't retire now because of the new Player Equity Program.

 

~Don't know if any of the above is true but let's wait until Tiger turn 50 before we put him out to pasture.

 

Let me be clear and reasonable,

 

I might be off base a little in regards to my Tiger critique and his injuries....it just happens to be he is the recent player that sticks out about injuries AND happens to be a golfer.  It made sense to me.

 

I will admit, even though I mentioned earlier pressure from sponsors or money to enter tournaments...I had not taken into account Tiger maybe trying to hold on to sponsorships for as long as possible. 

 

Even though he is rich already...I can understand a player milking sponsors for as long as possible with injury excuses.  

 

Not the biggest fan of it...but I can see how IF IF IF Tiger was at risk of losing tonnes of sponsorship money, he(or a player) would ride the injury excuse as long as possible.

 

I would have to have perfect information to determine if a player is out of line or not.  I'm sure Tiger was at risk...but he is already super wealthy.  Not to isolate him.

[bcjim]

On 4/14/2025 at 9:07 PM, DayDrinker said:

There were alot of idiotic posts yesterday but this one takes the cake. Just pure perfection of talking out of your butt. 

 

 

Guy's first post on wrx and he's like:

 

 

 

Well done and welcome.

 

 

[Titleist99]

17 minutes ago, shortshadow said:

 

Let me be clear and reasonable,

 

I might be off base a little in regards to my Tiger critique and his injuries....it just happens to be he is the recent player that sticks out about injuries AND happens to be a golfer.  It made sense to me.

 

I will admit, even though I mentioned earlier pressure from sponsors or money to enter tournaments...I had not taken into account Tiger maybe trying to hold on to sponsorships for as long as possible. 

 

Even though he is rich already...I can understand a player milking sponsors for as long as possible with injury excuses.  

 

Not the biggest fan of it...but I can see how IF IF IF Tiger was at risk of losing tonnes of sponsorship money, he(or a player) would ride the injury excuse as long as possible.

 

I would have to have perfect information to determine if a player is out of line or not.  I'm sure Tiger was at risk...but he is already super wealthy.  Not to isolate him.

Now you're talkin'...... He just launched Sunday Red, TGL, etc.....   Tiger may never retire.😂

[shortshadow]

5 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

Now you're talkin'...... He just launched Sunday Red, TGL, etc.....   Tiger may never retire.😂

 

Yeah, money matters.

 

I was separating Tiger from others as if he didn't need to use excuses for money.

 

It is weird timing that he launched Red and TGL when his injury issues might have run their course.

 

Still, I isolate him, even if unfair.  He's super rich and can run golf schools in Jupiter foe money the rest of his life.

 

I guess the big money was too good to pass up.  I guess he milked sponsors for as long as possible.  I guess I give 'less rich' players the pass for that behavior.

 

Without knowing contract details, he separated from Nike and then launched Red,  I guess I would figure he would have done Red years earlier.

 

But it does look like it was all about money.  So I'm a little ignorant 

 

 

[Titleist99]

6 minutes ago, shortshadow said:

 

Yeah, money matters.

 

I was separating Tiger from others as if he didn't need to use excuses for money.

 

It is weird timing that he launched Red and TGL when his injury issues might have run their course.

 

Still, I isolate him, even if unfair.  He's super rich and can run golf schools in Jupiter foe money the rest of his life.

 

I guess the big money was too good to pass up.  I guess he milked sponsors for as long as possible.  I guess I give 'less rich' players the pass for that behavior.

 

Without knowing contract details, he separated from Nike and then launched Red,  I guess I would figure he would have done Red years earlier.

 

But it does look like it was all about money.  So I'm a little ignorant 

 

 

Keep in mind that Tiger will be working with Augusta National on a special project along with other golf course designs. All while recuperating for his triumphant return. 😂

[shortshadow]

16 minutes ago, Titleist99 said:

Keep in mind that Tiger will be working with Augusta National on a special project along with other golf course designs. All while recuperating for his triumphant return. 😂

 

Kimd of reinforces my opinion that he has lots of avenues for income instead of milking sponsors. Assuming that was the plan.

 

Circling this back to the original topic...injuries and gear issues are nothing regular folks want to hear about for extended periods of time.

 

I suspect the illusion will make me eat crow in regards to  my Bryson critique, even though I'm a Bryson fan.  I suspect his tinkering leads to unlocking something gear related that changes the game significantly for the future.

 

I'm simply separating the player from the scientist here.  My opinion is for him to focus on repeating his swing/contact with current clubs at this level.

 

His legacy most likely will be in the tinkering and gear related arena...and I'm all for that for him.  But while competing is a risky extracurricular.

 

Ultimately the situation is, it's not wrong for him to be a scientist and golfer.  I just wish he would focus on golf continuity.

Edited April 16 by shortshadow