Have the new hollow body irons rendered hybrids obsolete?

[rsballer10]

No. Play what works for your game, for that particular spot in the bag. There's only so much mass that can be distributed in an iron. 

[Anser]

The Hibore/Halo irons have been a cheat code for people who need help getting it up in the air, since they came out.

 

 

[bluedot]

On 5/17/2025 at 5:51 AM, Llortamaisey said:

Fairway woods might render hybrids obsolete one day.

I think this is perhaps more likely. 
 

The advantages of hybrids over long(er) irons are forgiveness and higher trajectory.  The advantages of fairway woods over hybrids are exactly the same.  IF (and it’s a big if, I admit) you can find the right fairway woods, many, if not most, golfers will hit them higher and farther.  

 

About two years ago I started carrying a 9 wood, which replaced my 5 hybrid; it’s just a much more versatile club.  Now I’ve replaced the 4 hybrid with a 7 wood, which almost instantly became my favorite long club.  

[vonbonds]

2 hours ago, bluedot said:

I think this is perhaps more likely. 
 

The advantages of hybrids over long(er) irons are forgiveness and higher trajectory.  The advantages of fairway woods over hybrids are exactly the same.  IF (and it’s a big if, I admit) you can find the right fairway woods, many, if not most, golfers will hit them higher and farther.  

 

About two years ago I started carrying a 9 wood, which replaced my 5 hybrid; it’s just a much more versatile club.  Now I’ve replaced the 4 hybrid with a 7 wood, which almost instantly became my favorite long club.  

What carry and total distances did you have for your 4 hybrid versus you’re 7 wood? I haven’t tested myself but I thought the 7 wood was typically 10 or so yards further than the 4 hybrid if not a hair longer

[bluedot]

17 hours ago, vonbonds said:

What carry and total distances did you have for your 4 hybrid versus you’re 7 wood? I haven’t tested myself but I thought the 7 wood was typically 10 or so yards further than the 4 hybrid if not a hair longer

You’re pretty close.  I used the 4 hybrid as a 175 club; the 7 wood is more like 185+.   Off the tee, the 7 wood goes close to 200 if I hit it well.  

[me05501]

I like a hybrid in the 4 iron spot.

 

I tried a Srixon ZX-U for a bit. When I hit it well it was great but I needed all of my meager swing speed to make it work. My Callaway hybrid is much easier to launch. 

 

One mark in favor of most hybrids is the adjustable hosel. This makes it more adaptable when you're making changes to your bag. 

[Shallowface]

Although long irons have made a significant comeback on Tour, even those guys have discovered that they aren't playable out of the rough found on most tournament courses.

 

It's all about face progression.  The long iron has none, or even a bit of offset.  In the rough the hosel gets into the grass ahead of the clubface and that both slows and closes the face.

 

With a fairway wood, the leading edge gets there ahead of the hosel, which produces a much better result.  The ball is contacted before the rough has a chance to grab the hosel and achieves height more immediately.

 

And hybrids are somewhere in the middle depending on the design.  

 

My experience with hybrid sets like the Cleveland products or, for example, the older Tour Edge products is that they are conventional irons with a back on them.  I never saw any significant additional height or playability from the rough with them.  

 

Most all hybrid sets with more wood-like hybrids have to this point been confined to obscure brands or component suppliers.  But if one is really in need of something that will make a significant difference in shot height and playability from the rough, it might be something to consider.

 

So no I don't believe hybrids are going to become obsolete.  Truth is the vast majority of recreational players would be better off with a full set of the wood-like variety, with one conventional wedge for use around the greens and out of bunkers.  The problem is most players are too concerned with what their friends think to show up with a set like that, even if it did mean they would be taking more of their friends' money. 

[RacineBoxer]

Interesting topic. It does seem like a lot of the tour pro's do not carry a hybrid, in the top 10 the only one I see is Russell Henley (I consider X's UW more of a fairway wood than hybrid personally). I think a lot of that comes down to speed. They have a ton of it and they can hit their long irons soooo far and quite high. There's probably an argument to be made that for elite ball strikers, with speed, an iron might be more accurate. A lot of the top 10 have a unique iron in the 4i slot, I don't think anyone would be putting in a unique 4i if a hybrid was better - for them. For the LPGA it's basically the opposite, most LPGA players use at least one hybrid and many use 2.

 

I think for average swing speed players, who need help with height/distance/forgiveness, hybrids and fairway woods will continue to be a better option than long irons.

[sirphilliam]

They haven't rendered hybrids useless for Fred Couples and a lot of the champions tour guys. I think Fred has 4,5,6 hybrids these days, and he still plays golf to the highest level. There are situations where the extra smash factor of hybrids/woods will beat out the hollow bodied irons-- especially out of rough for those who don't have speed. 

[SlothofDespond]

1 hour ago, Shallowface said:

The problem is most players are too concerned with what their friends think to show up with a set like that, even if it did mean they would be taking more of their friends' money. 

 

There's definitely some of that. To be fair though, it wasn't always easy to find and try higher lofted woods with heavier and stiffer shafts for many years. I'm sure there's some chicken and egg there with higher swing speed players simply gravitating to hybrids for a long while.

 

But to your point, when hybrids really started blowing up, I recall several people I play with moving from 5-7 woods to hybrids, being worse with them, not switching back, and then even replacing the hybrids with other hybrids. Not great!

[Frank Newport]

 

I can't believe this topic is still being discussed considering all data pointing to the fact that the golf industry is quite literally moving in the opposite direction. Fewer and fewer sets are being offered with 2 & 3 irons while most OEMs are expanding their hybrid offerings. (I predict 4 irons are on the way out too.)  Even if you were to count driving and utility irons as hollow body irons, you'd still wrong by a lot. Driving and utility irons are getting outsold by hybrids 3 or 4 to 1 as discussed at the 17:00 mark of this video.

 

 

 

 

 

On 5/17/2025 at 9:35 AM, Jc0 said:

 

I see you understand sarcasm. 

 

Hollow body irons have killed a specific segment of hybrids, players hybrids. You used to see a lot more small headed hybrids directed at better players. Now days it seems like most of those players have migrated to the hollow body clubs. The more forgiving/higher launching hybrids still exist and are used by plenty of people, but not really high swing speed our PGA tour players. Thats why you see plenty of hybrids on the lpga and senior tours. 

 

Actually, it's quite the opposite. Some OEMs still have specific clubhead designs for higher swing speeds (GT3 hybrid) while many OEMs have found a way to adapt their core offerings to make them more playable for a wide array of swings by making them less draw biased and offering an adapter with "flat" settings (Ping, Titleist, Callaway etc.). According to PGA Club Tracker at least 47 hybrids are currently being played on Tour.

 

Launch monitors and Shots Gained are killing off long irons at a rapid pace, even at the elite level. Hybrids and high lofted fairway woods are here to stay and the OEMs are proving that fact through their offerings. 

 

[Thrummyfox]

On 5/19/2025 at 5:01 PM, vonbonds said:

What carry and total distances did you have for your 4 hybrid versus you’re 7 wood? I haven’t tested myself but I thought the 7 wood was typically 10 or so yards further than the 4 hybrid if not a hair longer

I have 21 degree 7 wood and 22 degree 4h I get a good club difference 10-15 yards 

[ScooterMcTavish]

On 5/17/2025 at 11:35 AM, Jc0 said:

Hollow body irons have killed a specific segment of hybrids, players hybrids. You used to see a lot more small headed hybrids directed at better players. Now days it seems like most of those players have migrated to the hollow body clubs. 

 

Very interesting thought, and likely why I see a few Ping utility/driving irons, and never see the old tiny hybrids (like the G15).

 

On 5/17/2025 at 6:35 PM, MattM97 said:

Don't think so but also depends where and when you play. If you're dealing with a lot of rough or thick grass a hybrid will almost always get through it better than an iron will. 

 

I will disagree with this statement.  From rough, I would prefer to hit iron, then hybrid, then FW.  Much of this will depend on the differences in static weight between the clubs, the leading edge, and bounce.   

 

On 5/18/2025 at 7:30 AM, mantan said:

By that token, I hereby render 3-woods and 60* wedges obsolete.

 

I can get behind the 60* comment, but do like my 3W.

 

On 5/19/2025 at 8:45 AM, bluedot said:

I think this is perhaps more likely. 
 

The advantages of hybrids over long(er) irons are forgiveness and higher trajectory.  The advantages of fairway woods over hybrids are exactly the same.  IF (and it’s a big if, I admit) you can find the right fairway woods, many, if not most, golfers will hit them higher and farther.  

 

About two years ago I started carrying a 9 wood, which replaced my 5 hybrid; it’s just a much more versatile club.  Now I’ve replaced the 4 hybrid with a 7 wood, which almost instantly became my favorite long club.  

 

I believe the inherent flaw in this argument is that if FWs did the job for everyone, then no-one would have even even invented a hybrid.  7W and 9W are not a new concept.

 

The advantage for most golfers with a hybrid is the shorter shaft, but I've been seeing manufacturers blur the lines between what these clubs have "traditionally" been and what they currently are.  With one manufacturer, I had noted their 5W and 3h were physically identical, other than the label on the sole.

 

On 5/21/2025 at 9:39 AM, Frank Newport said:

I can't believe this topic is still being discussed considering all data pointing to the fact that the golf industry is quite literally moving in the opposite direction. Fewer and fewer sets are being offered with 2 & 3 irons while most OEMs are expanding their hybrid offerings. (I predict 4 irons are on the way out too.)  Even if you were to count driving and utility irons as hollow body irons, you'd still wrong by a lot. Driving and utility irons are getting outsold by hybrids 3 or 4 to 1 as discussed at the 17:00 mark of this video.

 

The major contributing factor to the disappearance of long irons is not a player preference - it is that through loft jacking, the manufacturers have made modern long irons virtually unplayable.  This does not benefit golfers - it only benefits the manufacturers.

Case in point, the 5i in my Ping i525 was 24* - lowest lofted iron I carried, and only 1* weaker than my Hogan Radial 3i.  And now the i530 has a 22* 5i, 1* stronger than my Hogan 3i.  No wonder people can't hit them.

 

So this is good for manufacturers.  Instead of selling "cheaper" iron sets, they now get to sell more expensive FWs and hybrids, and wedges.  And since these clubs are not part of a set, they often will get switched out quicker.  I mean, someone could play a set of irons (with its wedges) for 10 years happily.  Now we're told we need new wedges every three years, and its easier to change them out as they are not part of the "set".

 

Yes, I'm a Luddite, but I've certainly enjoyed going back to a more traditional bag setup, with clubs that have more traditional lofts.

 

And I am also not saying that FW and hybrids are not better for many people - casual players should almost always benefit from FW/h over long irons.  But what we are seeing in the market appears to be designed around maximizing revenue and margin for the OEMs   

Edited May 23 by ScooterMcTavish

[Frank Newport]

1 hour ago, ScooterMcTavish said:

 

Very interesting thought, and likely why I see a few Ping utility/driving irons, and never see the old tiny hybrids (like the G15).

 

 

I will disagree with this statement.  From rough, I would prefer to hit iron, then hybrid, then FW.  Much of this will depend on the differences in static weight between the clubs, the leading edge, and bounce.   

 

 

I can get behind the 60* comment, but do like my 3W.

 

 

I believe the inherent flaw in this argument is that if FWs did the job for everyone, then no-one would have even even invented a hybrid.  7W and 9W are not a new concept.

 

The advantage for most golfers with a hybrid is the shorter shaft, but I've been seeing manufacturers blur the lines between what these clubs have "traditionally" been and what they currently are.  With one manufacturer, I had noted their 5W and 3h were physically identical, other than the label on the sole.

 

 

The major contributing factor to the disappearance of long irons is not a player preference - it is that through loft jacking, the manufacturers have made modern long irons virtually unplayable.  This does not benefit golfers - it only benefits the manufacturers.

Case in point, the 5i in my Ping i525 was 24* - lowest lofted iron I carried, and only 1* weaker than my Hogan Radial 3i.  And now the i530 has a 22* 5i, 1* stronger than my Hogan 3i.  No wonder people can't hit them.

 

So this is good for manufacturers.  Instead of selling "cheaper" iron sets, they now get to sell more expensive FWs and hybrids, and wedges.  And since these clubs are not part of a set, they often will get switched out quicker.  I mean, someone could play a set of irons (with its wedges) for 10 years happily.  Now we're told we need new wedges every three years, and its easier to change them out as they are not part of the "set".

 

Yes, I'm a Luddite, but I've certainly enjoyed going back to a more traditional bag setup, with clubs that have more traditional lofts.

 

And I am also not saying that FW and hybrids are not better for many people - casual players should almost always benefit from FW/h over long irons.  But what we are seeing in the market appears to be designed around maximizing revenue and margin for the OEMs   

 

The part in bold is true. The rest is nonsense. 

 

 

 

[J_Tizzle]

I played a soaking wet 7100 yard course yesterday (probably played closer to 7500), and boy the 4h got a work out.  I hit so many shots with it that I never could have with a 4i.  I'm going to play with it a little bit to get it really set the way I'd want.  Just ordered a 100g hybrid shaft (going to a 100g stiff flex vs a 85g x flex), planning to set it a little upright and -1* at 22* and a little short so I can just approach it more like an iron vs a hybrid and just play it from 195-215.  I'm really impressed with it so far, hitting punch and 3/4 shots with it and then can just air it out to a full yardage

[bluedot]

3 hours ago, ScooterMcTavish said:

 

Very interesting thought, and likely why I see a few Ping utility/driving irons, and never see the old tiny hybrids (like the G15).

 

 

I will disagree with this statement.  From rough, I would prefer to hit iron, then hybrid, then FW.  Much of this will depend on the differences in static weight between the clubs, the leading edge, and bounce.   

 

 

I can get behind the 60* comment, but do like my 3W.

 

 

I believe the inherent flaw in this argument is that if FWs did the job for everyone, then no-one would have even even invented a hybrid.  7W and 9W are not a new concept.

 

The advantage for most golfers with a hybrid is the shorter shaft, but I've been seeing manufacturers blur the lines between what these clubs have "traditionally" been and what they currently are.  With one manufacturer, I had noted their 5W and 3h were physically identical, other than the label on the sole.

 

 

The major contributing factor to the disappearance of long irons is not a player preference - it is that through loft jacking, the manufacturers have made modern long irons virtually unplayable.  This does not benefit golfers - it only benefits the manufacturers.

Case in point, the 5i in my Ping i525 was 24* - lowest lofted iron I carried, and only 1* weaker than my Hogan Radial 3i.  And now the i530 has a 22* 5i, 1* stronger than my Hogan 3i.  No wonder people can't hit them.

 

So this is good for manufacturers.  Instead of selling "cheaper" iron sets, they now get to sell more expensive FWs and hybrids, and wedges.  And since these clubs are not part of a set, they often will get switched out quicker.  I mean, someone could play a set of irons (with its wedges) for 10 years happily.  Now we're told we need new wedges every three years, and its easier to change them out as they are not part of the "set".

 

Yes, I'm a Luddite, but I've certainly enjoyed going back to a more traditional bag setup, with clubs that have more traditional lofts.

 

And I am also not saying that FW and hybrids are not better for many people - casual players should almost always benefit from FW/h over long irons.  But what we are seeing in the market appears to be designed around maximizing revenue and margin for the OEMs   

For most players of ALL levels, hybrids replace long irons much, much more than fairway woods.  Not only are fairway woods now better than they used to be, but 7 and 9 woods are great clubs that are showing up even in the bags of Tour pros.

[Pepperturbo]

On 5/16/2025 at 5:04 PM, klbcec said:

Been playing hybrids since the OG Adams Idea Pro. My irons are the Mizuno Pro 243s, But being 60 now and driver ss down to 100 mph, I feel I don't get the most out of the 4 iron in that set.  Currently playing an Apex hybrid for a higher trajectory.

 

Last week, I watched my buddy with similar swing speed launching a PXG 4 iron higher than I hit the Apex hybrid.

 

Couple that with the fact that I always found Apex 4 hybrid a bit inconsistent, and never felt truly confident in my ability to deliver the face square or dial in distance.

 

On a lark, I picked up a Cleveland Launcher XL 4 iron.  Wanted the most forgiving and easy to launch 4 iron I could find and didn't want to spend a ton on an experiment. So the Launcher xl fit the bill bc I can be had cheap on eBay.

 

After a couple range sessions with the club, I'm not sure why anyone would chose a hybrid unless they have a really slow swing speed.  The Launcher seems really easy to elevate and much easier to deliver square. You can actually feel the face angle during the swing much more than a hybrid.

 

Thoughts?

Hybrids got the attention of people that struggle to hit long irons, looking for distance help, or forgiving ease of use.  I've tested them but never had an interest.

 

Not inclined to believe hollow irons are replacing clubs on tour, but that might be driven by sponsorship agreements.  Conversely, hollow clubs may replace clubs in the mid-high cap amateurs bag, depending on skill level.  As a side note, lots of used hollow club sets at my buddies LGS; he's not sure why.

 

In certain hands, hybrids can deliver high trajectory's and distances that long irons can't.  CAD technology is capable of making club heads that appear to be one thing, but internally quite another.  Large headed Launcher XL 20' 4 iron with lots of offset is purposely designed to get the ball up.  How far it travels depends on shaft and user skill.  Your 243 4i is 22'.  Even if you add 2' to your 4i, designs won't make them the same.   

[Pepperturbo]

3 hours ago, ScooterMcTavish said:

The major contributing factor to the disappearance of long irons is not a player preference - it is that through loft jacking, the manufacturers have made modern long irons virtually unplayable.  This does not benefit golfers - it only benefits the manufacturers.

Case in point, the 5i in my Ping i525 was 24* - lowest lofted iron I carried, and only 1* weaker than my Hogan Radial 3i.  And now the i530 has a 22* 5i, 1* stronger than my Hogan 3i.  No wonder people can't hit them.

 

So this is good for manufacturers.  Instead of selling "cheaper" iron sets, they now get to sell more expensive FWs and hybrids, and wedges.  And since these clubs are not part of a set, they often will get switched out quicker.  I mean, someone could play a set of irons (with its wedges) for 10 years happily.  Now we're told we need new wedges every three years, and its easier to change them out as they are not part of the "set".

 

Yes, I'm a Luddite, but I've certainly enjoyed going back to a more traditional bag setup, with clubs that have more traditional lofts.

 

And I am also not saying that FW and hybrids are not better for many people - casual players should almost always benefit from FW/h over long irons.  But what we are seeing in the market appears to be designed around maximizing revenue and margin for the OEMs   

I agree on these points, especially OEM market manipulation, but see myself as an ole-school youngster, as opposed to an archaic Luddite, like you.  LOL 

 

People that have issues hitting traditionally lofted long irons, will eventually encounter the same issue hitting stronger lofted mid-irons.  In average Joe's quest for distance, OEM advertising has manipulated the buyer's mind and bag.  What's odd about that, my buddy, even with strong lofts, tends to hit one more club for the same distance as me?  Yet, they can claim 1 or 2 clubs less if quoting the number of the sole. LOL Ya gotta love this game.  

 

When we look at the combo sets of irons with iron replacement hybrids, OEMs have made another more profitable product segment in hybrids. 

 

I had a set of T150 irons to evaluate, but after a few months, realized that I did not require trajectory assistance or value the lofts.  Consequently, I gifted them to an enthusiastic friend and returned to my traditionally lofted T100 3i-9i irons and had PX shafts installed.

[ScooterMcTavish]

1 minute ago, Pepperturbo said:

I agree on these points, especially OEM market manipulation, but see myself as an ole-school youngster, as opposed to an archaic Luddite, like you.  LOL 

LOL, I think in our interactions over the years neither of us could truly be called a Luddite.  But for us of a certain vintage, I believe it fair to state that it is very easy to become cynical about the manufacturers and each year's claims.  

We're also lucky to have lived through so many improvements in club and shaft design, and every one of us today benefits from the OEMs pushing forward technology.  Unfortunately, as golf has regained some popularity during and post-covid, I have noticed the marketing machines are now in overdrive.  And after some lean years, I cannot blame the manufacturers - this is a business after all.

 

I think back to some of the more significant innovations in the last few decades.  Golf ball technology and reliable ball manufacturing.  Laser finishing.  Shaft technology advancements.  User adjustability and "at home" customization.  Multi-material use, Ai, precision milling, and even grip technology.  Better course maintenance.  As a generation, we have been absolutely spoiled with these advancements.

Despite all of this technology, the change in handicaps over the last 40 years has been small:

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/golfers-average-handicaps-1984-2023-usga-handicap-archive

 

Original point was that any company can move the CoG around, use a different design philosophy, and stamp whatever number they like on the sole.  But to state that "a 4h is always better than a 4i" is reductive, especially when the 4i is actually lofted like a 2i, often with an excessively low amount of offset.

 

I think the question "Is a 4h always better than a modern lofted 6i" a much better question to ask.  And from my experience, the answer is "for higher handicaps, beginning golfers, and seniors, generally yes".  My other answer is "for good ball strikers and lower handicaps, possibly, depending on their desired trajectory and typical playing conditions".

 

No horse in this particular race.  I have a 22* hybrid I swap in and out based on the course and playing conditions.  But as someone who lives on the windy prairies, and who's natural wood/hybrid shot shape is a fade, generally my 24* 4i will be much kinder to me than my 22* hybrid.  Generally.    

 

[Pepperturbo]

11 minutes ago, ScooterMcTavish said:

LOL, I think in our interactions over the years neither of us could truly be called a Luddite.  But for us of a certain vintage, I believe it fair to state that it is very easy to become cynical about the manufacturers and each year's claims.  

We're also lucky to have lived through so many improvements in club and shaft design, and every one of us today benefits from the OEMs pushing forward technology.  Unfortunately, as golf has regained some popularity during and post-covid, I have noticed the marketing machines are now in overdrive.  And after some lean years, I cannot blame the manufacturers - this is a business after all.

 

I think back to some of the more significant innovations in the last few decades.  Golf ball technology and reliable ball manufacturing.  Laser finishing.  Shaft technology advancements.  User adjustability and "at home" customization.  Multi-material use, Ai, precision milling, and even grip technology.  Better course maintenance.  As a generation, we have been absolutely spoiled with these advancements.

Despite all of this technology, the change in handicaps over the last 40 years has been small:

 

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/golfers-average-handicaps-1984-2023-usga-handicap-archive

 

Original point was that any company can move the CoG around, use a different design philosophy, and stamp whatever number they like on the sole.  But to state that "a 4h is always better than a 4i" is reductive, especially when the 4i is actually lofted like a 2i, often with an excessively low amount of offset.

 

I think the question "Is a 4h always better than a modern lofted 6i" a much better question to ask.  And from my experience, the answer is "for higher handicaps, beginning golfers, and seniors, generally yes".  My other answer is "for good ball strikers and lower handicaps, possibly, depending on their desired trajectory and typical playing conditions".

 

No horse in this particular race.  I have a 22* hybrid I swap in and out based on the course and playing conditions.  But as someone who lives on the windy prairies, and who's natural wood/hybrid shot shape is a fade, generally my 24* 4i will be much kinder to me than my 22* hybrid.  Generally.    

 

I tend to agree.  I live and play in SOCAL, AZ, HI and TX - all windy areas...go figure.  Even though I have a wind game, I hate wind, rather play in rain. 

 

Since I took up golf, I have been a devoted long iron guy.  Learned the game using a 1 iron, and years later switched to a 2 iron...now have four.  Still a diehard long iron guy, hit'em up or down and straight too.  Not as long as I used to be but still respectable distances.   

 

Lots of satisfaction hitting a solid 3i shot.  My 2i is 17', and a 205yd+ club, my 24' T100 4 iron is a sweet club to smack, depending on joints, it's worth 180yds, as much as 190 on a fast course.  A few months back, on a 185y Par 3, carry was 175, hit a sweet 4i to the front of green, rolled past pin, 8' leave made the putt.  Damn, I love this game.

[LeoLeo99]

On 5/17/2025 at 11:10 AM, animalgolfs said:

4i for me, will always be 24*. Played around with the famous Heavenwood for awhile. Used 2i/3I(mp14) until Firesole hybrids were introduced- then replaced 2i & 3i with those.....eventually replacing the firesole with Orlimar higher lofted FW.  

 

Nowadays at my swingspeed 7w 9w 5h 6h are firmly entrenched......guess it depends on swingspeed & course setup - but I'll never use an iron below 30* again, probably 34* if I'm being honest 

I haven't found the right combination yet for my ever-slowing swing speed.  Last year 4w-5w-4h-5h-6i worked.  This year with a little slower swing speed I'm bagging 3w-5w-4h-5h-6h-7h-7i-8i.  The gaps are good but I don't hit the hybrids high enough with enough spin to always hold greens.  I might bring the 7w out to replace the 4h but it's either a low penetrating shot with the 4h that often goes the back fringe or a 7w that often balloons from too much spin and comes up short.  

[Hawkeye77]

On 5/16/2025 at 7:04 PM, klbcec said:

 

 

After a couple range sessions with the club, I'm not sure why anyone would chose a hybrid unless they have a really slow swing speed.  The Launcher seems really easy to elevate and much easier to deliver square. You can actually feel the face angle during the swing much more than a hybrid.

 

Thoughts?

 

Seems an odd conclusion.  I don't have "really slow speed", lol, hybrids work better for me and in general have not liked hollow bodied irons in any loft.  

[ZAS]

I don't think so...the option really is a personal choice depending on one's game

[BallHooker]

On 5/18/2025 at 3:30 PM, mantan said:

 

 

 

By that token, I hereby render 3-woods and 60* wedges obsolete.

 

 

 

Well. As most cannot hit a 3 wood too well, it is pretty much obsolete.

 

I think it’s crazy how equipment development aims to make golf easier. Why don’t we just try to learn to play it? 🙂

Edited May 24 by BallHooker