Titleist 680 Iron Re-release

[AdExec]

1 hour ago, Scottbox said:

They look beautiful. Enjoy hitting a 7 iron 130 yards.

This honestly isn’t that far off….if you have a little headwind its gonna be a long day on the course. (I have the 2018 reissues) 

 

zxi7 7 Iron goes 180-190 

 

680 7 iron goes 160-170 - but if its into the wind, it could be ~140 

 

These spin HARD 

[Pnwpingi210]

Just now, AdExec said:

This honestly isn’t that far off….if you have a little headwind its gonna be a long day on the course. (I have the 2018 reissues) 

 

zxi7 7 Iron goes 180-190 

 

680 7 iron goes 160-170 - but if its into the wind, it could be ~140 

 

These spin HARD 

So into a 2 club wind they are still going to be a club longer than 130….🤷

 

 

[AdExec]

7 minutes ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

So into a 2 club wind they are still going to be a club longer than 130….🤷

 

 

For those of us with speed yes….but if you’re bringing 75-80mph on that 7 iron 130 is very realistic. Not sure what average swing speed is but Im guessing it’s not mid 90s+ like a lot of us on here. I was really getting at, not only are they vintage lofts, but vintage spin rates. Plan accordingly. 

Edited June 19 by AdExec
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[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, AdExec said:

For those of us with speed yes….but if you’re bringing 75-80mph on that 7 iron 130 is very realistic. Not sure what average swing speed is but Im guessing it’s not mid 90s+ like a lot of us on here. I was really getting at, not only are they vintage lofts, but vintage spin rates. Plan accordingly. 

I get it and was playing along as the foil to the hyperbole.

 

i agree that the demographic you speak of likely shouldn’t be looking at anything in the34-36 degree 7 iron loft cause it won’t go far.

[Scottbox]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

Edited June 19 by Scottbox

[Pnwpingi210]

10 minutes ago, Scottbox said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joke

I’m sorry.

 

[BirdieBob]

https://www.instagram.com/titleist/reel/DLAjn3lxP2y/

 

 

 

Edited June 20 by BirdieBob

[PostandGhost]

5 minutes ago, BirdieBob said:

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLAjn3lxP2y/?igsh=MTc4MmM1YmI2Ng==

When I clicked on the link at turned on the volume, I was expecting "At Last" by Etta James to play!

[TiScape]

1 hour ago, BirdieBob said:

https://www.instagram.com/titleist/reel/DLAjn3lxP2y/

 

 

 

Great video thanks! By any chance are these forged???

[etodd]

I can't keep my eye off these. I would play absolutely terrible golf with them, but MAN... what a cool vintage bag it would be.

[SwingBlade]

So far I'm holding off because I just have too many classic sets.  But I have to say that in person, the 680's definitely have one of the most uniquely beautiful classic muscle lines of any blades ever produced.  I loved hitting a friend's set back in that day.   If I didn't have the MP-33's and the CB-57's these would already be on order.  Enjoy!

Edited June 20 by SwingBlade

[AdamMW]

I might be the only one to say this but they missed the mark here. By 1 number. If they were gonna bring back anything should be the tiger slam 681 in tiger specs. Just call it the titleist slam irons. 

[AdExec]

20 minutes ago, AdamMW said:

I might be the only one to say this but they missed the mark here. By 1 number. If they were gonna bring back anything should be the tiger slam 681 in tiger specs. Just call it the titleist slam irons. 

They reissue the T stamps im all in 

[AdamMW]

14 minutes ago, AdExec said:

They reissue the T stamps im all in 

Same. Wonder why they havent? 2000 sets at 2k a pop sell out in 20 mins

[speeder757]

I’m guessing they don’t because the 681’s were forged by Hoffman and would have non conforming grooves at this point. I’m sure they also don’t have the molds any longer and would have to remake new molds etc. The 680’s are already ready to go and are the next closest iron to the 681’s 

[MysteryV]

11 hours ago, speeder757 said:

I’m guessing they don’t because the 681’s were forged by Hoffman and would have non conforming grooves at this point. I’m sure they also don’t have the molds any longer and would have to remake new molds etc. The 680’s are already ready to go and are the next closest iron to the 681’s 

 

Interestingly, I got Endo forged confirmation from 3 more executives at Titleist.  One even pointed out that they're using the "same" tool.  That could imply the original tool, OR the re-issue tool IF they were not the same (though I assume they were).

 

This got me thinking about forging, and if a specific tool would even work on another foundry's press.  Is there a standard tooling setup on these massive presses?  Would moulds even be interchangable?  

 

(This is not directed at you - just some more thoughts).

 

I also started thinking about just how much process matters, and while some folks are contrarian reductionists by nature, other folks may not have ever taken a materials course, or learned much about materials and manufacturing. 

 

As much as Mizuno advertises "Grain Flow Forged", how many times you heat and work material greatly impacts the characteristics.  It aligns grains, reduces voids, changes hardness, etc. - and all these things produce massive differences in the material characteristics (including vibration and acoustics which we perceive as feel).  Each foundry has a different tool, and different process, which yield different characteristics.  Folks like Miura do stuff like spin welded hosels which not only add risk if you plan to bend your clubs in the future - but also change the feel significantly (which almost everyone who's ever hit a Miura and an Endo side by side notices).

 

Maybe Mizuno uses less presses at higher temp / higher pressure, while Miura uses lower temp, more presses, more pressure.  Maybe Endo does something in the middle.

 

For me - even without knowing until YEARS later - my favorite forgings have always been Endo.  Before I ever even thought about things like how golf clubs were made, or realized there were different foundries - in a blind test spanning years - I'd picked 3 sets of Endo forged clubs (across different brands) without knowing.

 

It's a bit counterintuitive that people will argue that forged is important as cast is trash - and then claim that who does the forging doesn't matter.  

 

[Pnwpingi210]

14 minutes ago, MysteryV said:

 

Interestingly, I got Endo forged confirmation from 3 more executives at Titleist.  One even pointed out that they're using the "same" tool.  That could imply the original tool, OR the re-issue tool IF they were not the same (though I assume they were).

 

This got me thinking about forging, and if a specific tool would even work on another foundry's press.  Is there a standard tooling setup on these massive presses?  Would moulds even be interchangable?  

 

(This is not directed at you - just some more thoughts).

 

I also started thinking about just how much process matters, and while some folks are contrarian reductionists by nature, other folks may not have ever taken a materials course, or learned much about materials and manufacturing. 

 

As much as Mizuno advertises "Grain Flow Forged", how many times you heat and work material greatly impacts the characteristics.  It aligns grains, reduces voids, changes hardness, etc. - and all these things produce massive differences in the material characteristics (including vibration and acoustics which we perceive as feel).  Each foundry has a different tool, and different process, which yield different characteristics.  Folks like Miura do stuff like spin welded hosels which not only add risk if you plan to bend your clubs in the future - but also change the feel significantly (which almost everyone who's ever hit a Miura and an Endo side by side notices).

 

Maybe Mizuno uses less presses at higher temp / higher pressure, while Miura uses lower temp, more presses, more pressure.  Maybe Endo does something in the middle.

 

For me - even without knowing until YEARS later - my favorite forgings have always been Endo.  Before I ever even thought about things like how golf clubs were made, or realized there were different foundries - in a blind test spanning years - I'd picked 3 sets of Endo forged clubs (across different brands) without knowing.

 

It's a bit counterintuitive that people will argue that forged is important as cast is trash - and then claim that who does the forging doesn't matter.  

 

I think what’s getting lost here is you, MysteryV, can feel the difference between forgings.  Nobody can argue your feelings.

 

what we also know is most people can’t tell the difference.  This is evident in comments from experienced fitters and from these forums themselves (people saying t100s feel better than Srixon, etc)

 

also the arguement that not being able to tell the difference between who forged what club  and being able to tell the difference between forged and cast is a false equivalency.

[speeder757]

1 hour ago, MysteryV said:

 

Interestingly, I got Endo forged confirmation from 3 more executives at Titleist.  One even pointed out that they're using the "same" tool.  That could imply the original tool, OR the re-issue tool IF they were not the same (though I assume they were).

 

This got me thinking about forging, and if a specific tool would even work on another foundry's press.  Is there a standard tooling setup on these massive presses?  Would moulds even be interchangable?  

 

(This is not directed at you - just some more thoughts).

 

I also started thinking about just how much process matters, and while some folks are contrarian reductionists by nature, other folks may not have ever taken a materials course, or learned much about materials and manufacturing. 

 

As much as Mizuno advertises "Grain Flow Forged", how many times you heat and work material greatly impacts the characteristics.  It aligns grains, reduces voids, changes hardness, etc. - and all these things produce massive differences in the material characteristics (including vibration and acoustics which we perceive as feel).  Each foundry has a different tool, and different process, which yield different characteristics.  Folks like Miura do stuff like spin welded hosels which not only add risk if you plan to bend your clubs in the future - but also change the feel significantly (which almost everyone who's ever hit a Miura and an Endo side by side notices).

 

Maybe Mizuno uses less presses at higher temp / higher pressure, while Miura uses lower temp, more presses, more pressure.  Maybe Endo does something in the middle.

 

For me - even without knowing until YEARS later - my favorite forgings have always been Endo.  Before I ever even thought about things like how golf clubs were made, or realized there were different foundries - in a blind test spanning years - I'd picked 3 sets of Endo forged clubs (across different brands) without knowing.

 

It's a bit counterintuitive that people will argue that forged is important as cast is trash - and then claim that who does the forging doesn't matter.  

 

681’s and 680’s are not the same mold, they are completely different irons, and we’re not forged at the same place. They weren’t even Forged in the same country. 681’s were Forged in the U.S. and 680’s have always been Forged overseas. 

Edited June 21 by speeder757

[Llortamaisey]

1 hour ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

I think what’s getting lost here is you, MysteryV, can feel the difference between forgings.  Nobody can argue your feelings.

 

what we also know is most people can’t tell the difference.  This is evident in comments from experienced fitters and from these forums themselves (people saying t100s feel better than Srixon, etc)

 

also the arguement that not being able to tell the difference between who forged what club  and being able to tell the difference between forged and cast is a false equivalency.

No one is probably going to believe me, I had a set of irons once that I swear I could tell the difference between the person who had forged the heads. It’s like the person who was pressing the pedal on the hammer and die for the eight iron was doing it a little softer than the person who was pressing the pedal on the 7 iron. It was fairly noticeable, not so much on center strikes, but definitely off the hosel you could tell. 

[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, Llortamaisey said:

No one is probably going to believe me, I had a set of irons once that I swear I could tell the difference between the person who had forged the heads. It’s like the person who was pressing the pedal on the hammer and die for the eight iron was doing it a little softer than the person who was pressing the pedal on the 7 iron. It was fairly noticeable, not so much on center strikes, but definitely off the hosel you could tell. 

[TiScape]

I never buy irons that were forged on a Monday or Friday.

[Pnwpingi210]

5 minutes ago, TiScape said:

I never buy irons that were forged on a Monday or Friday.

Or by a forger with two first names

[TiScape]

1 minute ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

Or by a forger with two first names

Also nothing forged in the afternoon regardless of the day of the week. 

[MysteryV]

5 hours ago, Pnwpingi210 said:

I think what’s getting lost here is you, MysteryV, can feel the difference between forgings.  Nobody can argue your feelings.

 

what we also know is most people can’t tell the difference.  This is evident in comments from experienced fitters and from these forums themselves (people saying t100s feel better than Srixon, etc)

 

also the arguement that not being able to tell the difference between who forged what club  and being able to tell the difference between forged and cast is a false equivalency.

 

Using two different golf club manufacturing processes to illustrate the point that people can feel the difference between different manufacturing processes is not false equivalence.

 

Ironically, in stating "what we also know is most people can’t tell the difference. This is evident in comments from experienced fitters and from these forums themselves (people saying t100s feel better than Srixon, etc)" you  imply that all forgings are the same when they're not (using anecdotal evidence).  This is, in fact, false equivalence.

[Jim53]

@TiScape ain't no pre worn leading edge on these heads, so nice and I bet so hard to make go far....

SO who is forging them? has it been revealed?

[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, MysteryV said:

 

Using two different golf club manufacturing processes to illustrate the point that people can feel the difference between different manufacturing processes is not false equivalence.

 

Ironically, in stating "what we also know is most people can’t tell the difference. This is evident in comments from experienced fitters and from these forums themselves (people saying t100s feel better than Srixon, etc)" you  imply that all forgings are the same when they're not (using anecdotal evidence).  This is, in fact, false equivalence.

All cast clubs pour hot metal into a cast to achieve desired shape.  All forging using a compressive force to shape. 
 

Please explain how what I said is a false equivalency? 

 

 

[MysteryV]

5 hours ago, speeder757 said:

681’s and 680’s are not the same mold, they are completely different irons, and we’re not forged at the same place. They weren’t even Forged in the same country. 681’s were Forged in the U.S. and 680’s have always been Forged overseas. 

Cool?  Nobody said or implied any of that.

[MysteryV]

Just now, Pnwpingi210 said:

All cast clubs pour hot metal into a cast to achieve desired shape.  All forging using a compressive force to shape. 
 

Please explain how what I said is a false equivalency? 

 

 

You can Google chief.  I explained it above.

[Pnwpingi210]

1 minute ago, MysteryV said:

You can Google chief.  I explained it above.

You didn’t explain anything.  You just said “in fact”

 

that doesn’t make it fact

[speeder757]

5 hours ago, MysteryV said:

Cool?  Nobody said or implied any of that.

You replied to my post