2025 Ryder Cup - U.S. Team Rankings

[billyspan]

On 7/2/2025 at 9:26 AM, johnseg said:

Is a Data Golf rating really relevant at all? I know it is hard to rank players from LIV but it seems that they get a huge bump compared to others. I don't find them to be valid or an accurate representation.

 

If you want to argue that past record and current form justify his inclusion I will listen, but I won't listen to anything related to the Data Golf algorithm. 

I dug into it for a while because I wanted to like the methodology.  However, I concluded Data Golf gives way too much weight to LIV golf results.  The strokes gained metric throws things off...  Those fields are garbage.

[Hawkeye77]

30 minutes ago, billyspan said:

I dug into it for a while because I wanted to like the methodology.  However, I concluded Data Golf gives way too much weight to LIV golf results.  The strokes gained metric throws things off...  Those fields are garbage.

 

Data Golf will probably figure a way for Reed to gain spots based on his MC this week. 

[billyspan]

Griffin MC at JDC

Reed MC at BMW Int'l.

[billyspan]

Put B. Campbell on the team.  Dude knows how to win and will hit first from every fairway.  He'll drive opponents nuts.  Give me a guy that can close vs someone who finished "close" in some signature events.  Maybe...

[bcjim]

I don't think putting a short knocker on the team at Bethpage is a great idea. As much as i like the guy. 

[billyspan]

[billyspan]

B. Campbell

#28 Ryder Cup

#28 FedEx Cup

#55 OWGR

#128 Data Golf

[Mr.Cleeks]

On 7/2/2025 at 1:16 PM, johnseg said:

I don't like the way Data Golf uses strokes gained to determine overall player strength. You can't equally apply strokes gained in a field like LIV to a full field PGA Tour event. The small adjustments made for cross over results (the Majors) is far too limited to be able to adjust. Strokes gained at LIV-Dallas is not the same as strokes gained at The Travelers.

 

I know there are no perfect algorithms but I don't like the approach used by DATA Golf.

I like datagolf because strokes gained is easy to understand. I'm not sure if they have some sort of SOF adjustment. On the flipside strokes gained at the Amex isn't the same as strokes gained at Valderrama. One is wedge contest and the other is one of the toughest courses in the world.

[billyspan]

Griffin not at the Scottish Open is interesting...he has played a lot.  I have to think he is qualified.

 

Knapp Time?

[billyspan]

19 hours ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

I like datagolf because strokes gained is easy to understand. I'm not sure if they have some sort of SOF adjustment. On the flipside strokes gained at the Amex isn't the same as strokes gained at Valderrama. One is wedge contest and the other is one of the toughest courses in the world.

I may be totally wrong and hope someone can chime in, but I believe Strokes Gained is 100% field dependent.  There is no rating/slope-like metric that takes into account course difficulty.  So if 3/4 of the LIV field stinks strokes gained becomes "skewed" at the top (IMO).

[Titleist99]

15 minutes ago, billyspan said:

I may be totally wrong and hope someone can chime in, but I believe Strokes Gained is 100% field dependent.  There is no rating/slope-like metric that takes into account course difficulty.  So if 3/4 of the LIV field stinks strokes gained becomes "skewed" at the top (IMO).

Strokes gained doesn't take a lot of things into account, too many to list here .... 🤣

[Mr.Cleeks]

5 minutes ago, billyspan said:

I may be totally wrong and hope someone can chime in, but I believe Strokes Gained is 100% field dependent.  There is no rating/slope-like metric that takes into account course difficulty.  So if 3/4 of the LIV field stinks strokes gained becomes "skewed" at the top (IMO).

Strokes gained is relative to the field and the model favors consistency over a guy who has high peaks but low off weeks. It's a solid model but not without it's flaws. Straka for example is 10th in the world but 19th in the data golf rankings. He's got 2 wins and 3 more top 10s in Sig events his year. But guys like Corey Connors and Burns are ranked ahead of him in the DG rankings. No one in the right mind would say Sam Burns has had a better season then Sepp. 

[billyspan]

Gotterup?

[AZBRONCFAN]

56 minutes ago, billyspan said:

Gotterup?

Has to be considered. Course fit is great at Bethpage.  I wonder how many of the good old boys club that Keegan takes. 

[jimecherry]

1 hour ago, AZBRONCFAN said:

Has to be considered. Course fit is great at Bethpage.  I wonder how many of the good old boys club that Keegan takes. 

Justin thomas and bdc will be the only 2018 ryder cuppers on the us team and thats as far back as youll be able to go other than keegan himself from 2014

[AZBRONCFAN]

37 minutes ago, jimecherry said:

Justin thomas and bdc will be the only 2018 ryder cuppers on the us team and thats as far back as youll be able to go other than keegan himself from 2014

Spieth 

[jimecherry]

2 minutes ago, AZBRONCFAN said:

Spieth 

is outside the top 20 i really dont think keegan's going to pick him unless he wins a tournament between now and september

[Go_Blue!]

3 hours ago, billyspan said:

Gotterup?

Story writes itself, no? Jersey boy playing in NY at Bethpage. Huge hitter. Swag. I think you have to seriously consider him. It’s a perfect coming out party for him. 

[BlackDiamondPar5]

3 hours ago, billyspan said:

Gotterup?

Cart ahead of the horse on that one. He's certainly had two impressive showings in back to back events but he's been lackluster prior. Plus missing the cut over 40% in 2025. 

 

He's on the watch list with a lot more to prove. 

 

 

[Ben B]

7 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Cart ahead of the horse on that one. He's certainly had two impressive showings in back to back events but he's been lackluster prior. Plus missing the cut over 40% in 2025. 

 

He's on the watch list with a lot more to prove. 

 

 

I think I'd have to agree with Paul and Brandel....Keegan needs to have the conversation with him and see how he responds with his play over the playoffs. Need to light a fire and see if he can set a blaze or does it fizzle out. 

[jimecherry]

7 minutes ago, BlackDiamondPar5 said:

Cart ahead of the horse on that one. He's certainly had two impressive showings in back to back events but he's been lackluster prior. Plus missing the cut over 40% in 2025. 

 

He's on the watch list with a lot more to prove. 

 

 

agreed lets see how he comes back across the pond next 2 tournaments arent the hardest fields if he wants to earn his way on the team a win at wyndham or a strong showing in the playoffs lets say a top 10 or 2 and that would justify the pick

[AZBRONCFAN]

1 hour ago, jimecherry said:

is outside the top 20 i really dont think keegan's going to pick him unless he wins a tournament between now and september

I'd leave him at home but he is part of the club and has had a better season that people think. Here hasn't missed many cuts and has a decent amount of top 20 and top 10 for the tournaments he played. 

[stratgolf]

1 hour ago, Ben B said:

I think I'd have to agree with Paul and Brandel....Keegan needs to have the conversation with him and see how he responds with his play over the playoffs. Need to light a fire and see if he can set a blaze or does it fizzle out. 

 

Talent is clearly there, but I'd want to strong end to the season and ride the hot hand. Looks a player.

[mosesgolf]

Gotterup and Bryson are musts.

[jimecherry]

harris english will move into the top 6 thanks to his result he'll be a few hundred below bdc jt will fall to 7 but i dont think there will be much movement until the playoffs and then i doubt the ones moving will be 2-7 as theyll all have 10k+ points.

Edited July 21 by jimecherry

[00steven]

https://www.si.com/golf/keegan-bradley-confirms-bryson-dechambeau-us-ryder-cup-team
 

Captain Keegan putting winning first!

[Duct Tape]

[Titleist99]

21 minutes ago, mosesgolf said:

Gotterup and Bryson are musts.

Why is Bryson a must? His phony man of the people facade gets old pretty quickly. IMO

[Duct Tape]

Spieth has no chance unless he has a big finish.  Old boy or not. (Plus, based on past team record, I’m not of sure of anyone being labeled as part of the club is a bonus). 
 

Morikawa still a pick, but needs to start playing better. 
 

Griffin, hot topic a few weeks ago, maybe cooling a bit as a pick?

[billyspan]

8 minutes ago, Duct Tape said:

A short missed putt on 18 at Oakmont and a missed cut by a stroke at Portrush really hurt Griffin.  A game of inches indeed.

 

I am very curious to see how strong the fields will be in Minnesota and Greensboro.  Ryder Cup (...and FedEx Cup) are tight.