2025 Ryder Cup - U.S. Team Rankings

[AZBRONCFAN]

37 minutes ago, StoutKing said:

Agree that Keegan should play.  RC is the most overrated, meaningless, cash grab in golf.  Just want a close finish.

I personally like a blowout since I watch NFL vs the final RC round. That way I dont have to worry about it

[Mr.Cleeks]

1 hour ago, johnseg said:

I always feel like the Europeans have a better approach to Ryder Cup. It has always seemed to be that they are trying to make birdies while the US is trying not to make bogeys. I don't know if the stats show it but they just seem so aggressive. Watching some of the putts that Hovland hit the last time made me think there is no way he hits that putt in a regular tour event. 

 

I willing to have someone prove me as all wet but that is my perception.

I mean they just made everything they looked at in Rome. Hovland chipped in on his first hole at the 2023 RC and that set the tone for the event.

[Mr.Cleeks]

20 hours ago, jimecherry said:

there are no more elevated events left however playoff events give significant ryder cup points

Aren’t the playoffs basically signature events? Same purse as a sig event and more FEC points 

[Duct Tape]

On 6/19/2025 at 7:43 PM, billyspan said:

 

I just read your attachment more carefully and now understand that the second year of the cycle is in fact emphasized. As it should be. 
 

Learned something. Thanks for that billyspan. 

[Titleist99]

2 hours ago, StoutKing said:

Agree that Keegan should play.  RC is the most overrated, meaningless, cash grab in golf.  Just want a close finish.

 

Agreed, go for it, Keegan. Be a playing Captain and get in the record books with Arnold Palmer.

 

*That's reason enough to play right there.  

 

IMO

[johnseg]

I really don't like the how points are tallied for the Ryder Cup. I do not have a suggestion to make it better but look at Patrick Cantlay. If he would win the Open and have a couple top tens or maybe even win the St Jude than he will likely have locked into the top 6 even though his play has not been good.

[jimecherry]

3 hours ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

Aren’t the playoffs basically signature events? Same purse as a sig event and more FEC points 

no sponsor exemptions though ;}

[bcjim]

1 hour ago, johnseg said:

I really don't like the how points are tallied for the Ryder Cup. I do not have a suggestion to make it better but look at Patrick Cantlay. If he would win the Open and have a couple top tens or maybe even win the St Jude than he will likely have locked into the top 6 even though his play has not been good.

Actually,  he's had a quiet but solid year.  His stats are good (11th sg total) and he's 20th on the money list.  One win,  anywhere,  probably gets him a pick.

[Mr.Cleeks]

The last 3 RC's have been duds. 2016 was pretty awesome even though it wasn't close; the Reed-Rory and Phil-Sergio singles matches were awesome. I feel like the home team has too much of an advantage with setting up the course.

[johnseg]

3 hours ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

The last 3 RC's have been duds. 2016 was pretty awesome even though it wasn't close; the Reed-Rory and Phil-Sergio singles matches were awesome. I feel like the home team has too much of an advantage with setting up the course.

I feel like the European team has a bigger advantage on that because they go to courses that the type never goes to. Couple that with the US guys never playing in Europe except for Scottish Open or the Open. 

[billyspan]

Updated for June 30, 2025

Edited June 30 by billyspan

[Shilgy]

On 6/24/2025 at 12:25 PM, johnseg said:

I really don't like the how points are tallied for the Ryder Cup. I do not have a suggestion to make it better but look at Patrick Cantlay. If he would win the Open and have a couple top tens or maybe even win the St Jude than he will likely have locked into the top 6 even though his play has not been good.

So to summarize….his play has not been good in your eyes but if he does win an event or two including the Open it still wouldn’t be good enough?

[Shane Cavitt]

On 6/24/2025 at 2:25 PM, johnseg said:

I really don't like the how points are tallied for the Ryder Cup. I do not have a suggestion to make it better but look at Patrick Cantlay. If he would win the Open and have a couple top tens or maybe even win the St Jude than he will likely have locked into the top 6 even though his play has not been good.

Not really sure I follow your logic here. Let's assume that your assertion is true that "his play has not been good" is correct. Yet if he wins The Open and maybe St Jude plus a couple of other top 10s in the couple of months leading up to the RC, it is not enough to overcome previous bad play? I am not a Cantlay fan by any stretch. but is he wins a time or 2 with a couple of top 10s you absolutely take him. Give me the guy playing well in the couple of months leading up to the RC over the guy who accumulated the majority of his point last year or even earlier this season.

[caniac6]

Patrick Reed won yesterday. Is Captain America back in consideration?

[Duct Tape]

4 minutes ago, caniac6 said:

Patrick Reed won yesterday. Is Captain America back in consideration?

Please. No!

[billyspan]

6 hours ago, Shane Cavitt said:

Not really sure I follow your logic here. Let's assume that your assertion is true that "his play has not been good" is correct. Yet if he wins The Open and maybe St Jude plus a couple of other top 10s in the couple of months leading up to the RC, it is not enough to overcome previous bad play? I am not a Cantlay fan by any stretch. but is he wins a time or 2 with a couple of top 10s you absolutely take him. Give me the guy playing well in the couple of months leading up to the RC over the guy who accumulated the majority of his point last year or even earlier this season.

The St.Jude and BMW could provide huge swings (I think).  If Cantlay(or anyone else that is "close" for that matter) powers through at the end...well, I say you want that player on the team.  Peaking at the right time!

[Mr.Cleeks]

On 6/30/2025 at 11:37 AM, caniac6 said:

Patrick Reed won yesterday. Is Captain America back in consideration?

PReed needs to be on this Ryder Cup team. The guy is absolutely electric and 100% leans into the bit.

[bcjim]

1 hour ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

PReed needs to be on this Ryder Cup team. The guy is absolutely electric and 100% leans into the bit.

Proof that complaints (pages and pages of complaints) about W. Clark will be (or g****** better be) forgotten in 1 second if he were to contend at Portrush.

 

You can't simultaneously want to hang Clark for kicking a locker while putting together a welcoming committee for Reed.

[thecn23]

P.Reed's talent doesn't outweigh his negatives.

[Mr.Cleeks]

11 hours ago, bcjim said:

Proof that complaints (pages and pages of complaints) about W. Clark will be (or g****** better be) forgotten in 1 second if he were to contend at Portrush.

 

You can't simultaneously want to hang Clark for kicking a locker while putting together a welcoming committee for Reed.

Reed has a 7-3-2 RC record and is a top 30 player per data golf. He’s got an extremely strong case. Clark is a whiny brat who destroyed a locker. It’s not apples to apples 

[Hawkeye77]

6 minutes ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

Reed has a 7-3-2 RC record and is a top 30 player per data golf. 

 

His past Ryder Cup record is irrelevant unless we are going back in time so he can play the same guys on the same courses in the same conditions.  He hasn't played on a Ryder Cup team for 7 years and if "current form" is somehow relevant, lol, his record in 2018 was a poor 1-2-0 and his whining about not being able to play with Spieth (while at the same time saying Spieth didn't want to play with him - duh) and other comments after the fact about not getting the playing time he wanted, Tiger being his second choice, haha, and frankly, he played like total crap, made it clear he was a negative influence.  

 

[Mr.Cleeks]

44 minutes ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

His past Ryder Cup record is irrelevant unless we are going back in time so he can play the same guys on the same courses in the same conditions.  He hasn't played on a Ryder Cup team for 7 years and if "current form" is somehow relevant, lol, his record in 2018 was a poor 1-2-0 and his whining about not being able to play with Spieth (while at the same time saying Spieth didn't want to play with him - duh) and other comments after the fact about not getting the playing time he wanted, Tiger being his second choice, haha, and frankly, he played like total crap, made it clear he was a negative influence.  

 

Reed was the least of the problems at Paris in 2018. The entire 2018 team was a trainwreck outside of Spieth,JT,Finau,and Webb. They made Tiger who has a fused spine play 4 times and he was absolutely gassed, Phil couldn't keep the ball on the face of the planet. DJ who was the number 1 player in the world got 1 point total all week. I remember watching that RC and Europe could've easily put up 20 points that week, the US actually won the opening session 3-1 (including 2 1 up wins) and drew the Saturday foursomes session. Reed was a distraction that week, but the US lost that RC because 3 captains picks were shutout: Tiger went 0-4, Bryson went 0-3, and Phil went 0-2.

[Hawkeye77]

1 hour ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

Reed was the least of the problems at Paris in 2018. The entire 2018 team was a trainwreck outside of Spieth,JT,Finau,and Webb. They made Tiger who has a fused spine play 4 times and he was absolutely gassed, Phil couldn't keep the ball on the face of the planet. DJ who was the number 1 player in the world got 1 point total all week. I remember watching that RC and Europe could've easily put up 20 points that week, the US actually won the opening session 3-1 (including 2 1 up wins) and drew the Saturday foursomes session. Reed was a distraction that week, but the US lost that RC because 3 captains picks were shutout: Tiger went 0-4, Bryson went 0-3, and Phil went 0-2.

 

We all know how bad it was and I didn't say we lost the Ryder Cup because of Reed - point is and accurate, there is no basis for having him in a 2025 Ryder Cup conversation based on his past Ryder Cup record, and his most recent Ryder Cup performance 7 years ago was terrible. Anyway, my total guess is he has a 0% chance of being selected and I think folks like to toss him out there just for the reactions.  

[johnseg]

3 hours ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

Reed has a 7-3-2 RC record and is a top 30 player per data golf. He’s got an extremely strong case. Clark is a whiny brat who destroyed a locker. It’s not apples to apples 

Is a Data Golf rating really relevant at all? I know it is hard to rank players from LIV but it seems that they get a huge bump compared to others. I don't find them to be valid or an accurate representation.

 

If you want to argue that past record and current form justify his inclusion I will listen, but I won't listen to anything related to the Data Golf algorithm. 

[Mr.Cleeks]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

 

We all know how bad it was and I didn't say we lost the Ryder Cup because of Reed - point is and accurate, there is no basis for having him in a 2025 Ryder Cup conversation based on his past Ryder Cup record, and his most recent Ryder Cup performance 7 years ago was terrible. Anyway, my total guess is he has a 0% chance of being selected and I think folks like to toss him out there just for the reactions.  

I'd take that over picking guys who are friends with the captain. Donald picked Ludvig who had 0 RC experience in 2023 despite being ranked 60th on the points list and Justin Rose who hadn't played a RC in 5 years.

[Mr.Cleeks]

7 minutes ago, johnseg said:

Is a Data Golf rating really relevant at all? I know it is hard to rank players from LIV but it seems that they get a huge bump compared to others. I don't find them to be valid or an accurate representation.

 

If you want to argue that past record and current form justify his inclusion I will listen, but I won't listen to anything related to the Data Golf algorithm. 

I think it's a pretty good model to see how well guys are actually playing.

[Hawkeye77]

37 minutes ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

I'd take that over picking guys who are friends with the captain. Donald picked Ludvig who had 0 RC experience in 2023 despite being ranked 60th on the points list and Justin Rose who hadn't played a RC in 5 years.

LOL, Patrick not getting in on performance or “friends” - neither really excuses the other, though. 

[johnseg]

29 minutes ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

I think it's a pretty good model to see how well guys are actually playing.

I don't like the way Data Golf uses strokes gained to determine overall player strength. You can't equally apply strokes gained in a field like LIV to a full field PGA Tour event. The small adjustments made for cross over results (the Majors) is far too limited to be able to adjust. Strokes gained at LIV-Dallas is not the same as strokes gained at The Travelers.

 

I know there are no perfect algorithms but I don't like the approach used by DATA Golf.

[Pops99]

As someone who cheers for Europe in the Ryder Cup, heck yes, I hope Keegan picks Patrick Reed. Just adds an explosive compound to the US teamroom. Not to mention his wife and caddie are absolute wildcards. Lady J would be tweeting nonsense all week and then Kessler might punch another fan in the face, like at the P Cup. Potential for chaos. 

Edited July 2 by Pops99

[bcjim]

1 hour ago, Mr.Cleeks said:

I'd take that over picking guys who are friends with the captain. Donald picked Ludvig who had 0 RC experience in 2023 despite being ranked 60th on the points list and Justin Rose who hadn't played a RC in 5 years.

Of all your disingenuous arguments, this is top tier. I'm not even sure where you're going with this "evidence".

 

Rose "who hadn't played a RC in 5 years" missed exactly 1 RC in that 5y span.  Played, played, played, played, didn't play, played is his stat line since 2012. And while he was fairly close to auto qualifying, there were several guys ahead of him so I'd say he was, in fact, a "friends of the Captain" pick.

 

Aberg was a hugely successful Am who had recently turned pro and had already won. He was 60th because of the limited time he had to accumulate points. Not due to poor play.  And who would Donald have otherwise picked, Yannick Paul? Joost Liuten?, Jorge Campillo? LOL, he'd have been fired. 

 

Euros are top heavy but not very deep. Deep enough for the RC but if there was a JV Ryder Cup with next 12 on each list...oof.  So Aberg was no reach, in fact it was very fortuitous he showed up.