Golf Posture and Clearing Hips

[iopio77]

Mainly been focusing on my hip movement in the golf swing and using face-on videos to review. Recently took this DTL view and I feel I am making some progress on the hip movement but noticed the ugly address posture. I am wondering if this address position is limiting progress and what other consequences it could lead to later in the swing. Interested to hear of any tips and general swing comments (especially hips clearing).

[getitdaily]

Nothing wrong with that posture and address position. You'll get nitpickers who'll chime in. But that setup is solid. It would only need to be tweaked (not changed) based on ballflight or path/ftp issues.

[rsballer10]

11 minutes ago, iopio77 said:

Mainly been focusing on my hip movement in the golf swing and using face-on videos to review. Recently took this DTL view and I feel I am making some progress on the hip movement but noticed the ugly address posture. I am wondering if this address position is limiting progress and what other consequences it could lead to later in the swing. Interested to hear of any tips and general swing comments (especially hips clearing).

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Overall this looks like a good golf swing. Is there a particular reason you are working on your hip movements? Is it to correct a certain ball flight or miss?

[iopio77]

28 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Nothing wrong with that posture and address position. You'll get nitpickers who'll chime in. But that setup is solid. It would only need to be tweaked (not changed) based on ballflight or path/ftp issues.

 

18 minutes ago, rsballer10 said:

Overall this looks like a good golf swing. Is there a particular reason you are working on your hip movements? Is it to correct a certain ball flight or miss?

I appreciate the responses. I fought a two way miss for a long time hitting both push cuts and long left hooks. I boiled it down to hips not clearing/working towards the ball causing high handle at impact and either holding the face through or flipping to square it. Overall just inconsistent. Still fighting it pretty bad on the woods (which I don't even hit on the course) and driver. Driver seems to be magnified where I could catch one on the heel and shank it or hit a short snap hook. Still having trouble finding the middle of the face or any constistency with driver.

Edited July 22 by iopio77

[getitdaily]

4 minutes ago, iopio77 said:

 

I appreciate the responses. I fought a two way miss for a long time hitting both push cuts and long left hooks. I boiled it down to hips not clearing/working towards the ball causing high handle at impact and either holding the face through or flipping to square it. Overall just inconsistent. Still fighting it pretty bad on the woods (which I don't even hit on the course) and driver. Driver seems to be magnified where I could catch one on the heel and shank it or hit a short snap hook. Still having trouble finding the middle of the face or any constistency with driver.

Face is open basically the entire swing. 

 

You have a face on? 

 

What's your desired shot shape?

[GoGoErky]

Posture can be improved for sure. Work on getting hip joint inline with the ankles.

 

More vertical hinge in the wrist. Wrist should hinge at 45° angle.

 

Loosing too much flex in the trail leg in the backswing.

 

see how those affect the club face and then address any issues in the funding from there 

 

 

 

 

 

[iopio77]

14 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Face is open basically the entire swing. 

 

You have a face on? 

 

What's your desired shot shape?

Here’s a face-on from a few weeks ago. I know I’ve always played open and wondered if I just set up with an open face? It doesn’t feel like it’s open at address so maybe it’s my weak grip. I’ve always had a fade pattern so i feel pretty comfortable with a left to right shape

[GoGoErky]

Grip is too much in the palms

 

[iopio77]

8 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

Posture can be improved for sure. Work on getting hip joint inline with the ankles.

 

More vertical hinge in the wrist. Wrist should hinge at 45° angle.

 

Loosing too much flex in the trail leg in the backswing.

 

see how those affect the club face and then address any issues in the funding from there 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the feedback, will definitely check out the video. I've noticed the hips being too far back too thats one of the original reasons for the post so hip joint over ankles will be a good check going forward.

[rsballer10]

11 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

More vertical hinge in the wrist. Wrist should hinge at 45° angle.

I'd add earlier wrist hinge as well. Not to get into that can of worms debate again, but I think setting that late leads to sequencing issues that cause the blocks/hooks.

[getitdaily]

11 minutes ago, iopio77 said:

Here’s a face-on from a few weeks ago. I know I’ve always played open and wondered if I just set up with an open face? It doesn’t feel like it’s open at address so maybe it’s my weak grip. I’ve always had a fade pattern so i feel pretty comfortable with a left to right shape

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You have any launch monitor data on path? The face on suggests Ball position may just be a smidge too far back. Looks like path is ever so slightly in to out...not a fade pattern push fade with that face angle.

 

I would explore Ball position up about 2 balls...

 

Record a swing where the intent is to work a 7i from the middle of the green to a right tucked pin...Basically show a swing whwre youre trying to hit a 10-15 yard pull fade...

 

I think your misses are an intent issue...

[RayPlan]

 

@iopio77 it looks to me like your right arm is too on top of the club, with the way your right elbow is pointing toward the camera in the DTL. 

 

This seems to be confirmed by the FO view. 

 

 

[getitdaily]

7 minutes ago, iopio77 said:

Thanks for the feedback, will definitely check out the video. I've noticed the hips being too far back too thats one of the original reasons for the post so hip joint over ankles will be a good check going forward.

You don't EE...so changing that hip position at setup is purely aesthetics...I 

[getitdaily]

Your wrists set is fine too. You're well within normal ranges. Grip looks fine but I can't see the left hand completely. If it's weak then strengthening it will likely help.

[iopio77]

22 minutes ago, RayPlan said:

 

@iopio77 it looks to me like your right arm is too on top of the club, with the way your right elbow is pointing toward the camera in the DTL. 

 

This seems to be confirmed by the FO view. 

 

 

Thanks for pointing that out. That's a habit i fall into as well, trying to keep right elbow pointed toward right hip is something I've worked on in the pat and looks like I need to revisit. Funny how old habits creep in when you haven't worked on them in a while.

[sundaypins]

Trail hip not extending enough while leg retaining as much knee flex as possible, not good, it's pushing you too far forward and club is feeling lonely being left behind. 

Edited July 22 by sundaypins

[Nard_S]

There's no need to start hip movement from get go, it's better to delay till P2. Hip pivot is half of upper body turn, promotes better timing to sync both movements in that manner. Mitigates hips out running arms. I work on this a lot. A more effective hip pivot needs less time than poor one so i needed to tweak sequencing to compensate. You seem to have the depth thing correct but the totality of sequencing is suspect. The proper window of indexing arms down & hips returning back is rather small. Back swing tweaks can help in that.

 

Credit @MonteScheinblum on this because he pointed this out many times here & yeah, listened to it, it does work for me.

Edited July 22 by Nard_S

[GoGoErky]

49 minutes ago, rsballer10 said:

I'd add earlier wrist hinge as well. Not to get into that can of worms debate again, but I think setting that late leads to sequencing issues that cause the blocks/hooks.

Agree. Earlier and with more vertical and not as much trail wrist flexion 

[GoGoErky]

45 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

You don't EE...so changing that hip position at setup is purely aesthetics...I 

It’s not aesthetics. It affects the ability to rotate and nothing athletic is done from

the heels

[GoGoErky]

33 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

Your wrists set is fine too. You're well within normal ranges. Grip looks fine but I can't see the left hand completely. If it's weak then strengthening it will likely help.

The club is coming out too much by the wrists. Compare the angle of the knuckles on the left hand with the angle of the shaft in relation to the knuckles. It’s on the palm and affects how the wrists move. 

 

[RayPlan]

26 minutes ago, iopio77 said:

Thanks for pointing that out. That's a habit i fall into as well, trying to keep right elbow pointed toward right hip is something I've worked on in the pat and looks like I need to revisit. Funny how old habits creep in when you haven't worked on them in a while.

It's a matter of bringing your hand up from underneath the club. Start with your right palm facing up, which will keep the pit of your elbow facing the ball. Then grasp the club in your fingers and wrap your thumb on top purely by rotating your right forearm.

 

Should be tension free, no different than putting your right hand on a table, palm-up, then turning it face down.

[getitdaily]

8 minutes ago, GoGoErky said:

It’s not aesthetics. It affects the ability to rotate and nothing athletic is done from

the heels

So, with someone who's fairly neutral with path (probably a shade in to out) and a slightly open face the entire swing, who wants to play a fade

 

Tell us all how his hip.posituon at address will affect path and face by making that change. 

 

Same with wrist set. How will a within normal ranges of wrist set, that is then set earlier, change his path and ftp numbers?

 

Im looking for specifics on how many degrees of change to each and in what direction...from you.

[GoGoErky]

34 minutes ago, getitdaily said:

So, with someone who's fairly neutral with path (probably a shade in to out) and a slightly open face the entire swing, who wants to play a fade

 

Tell us all how his hip.posituon at address will affect path and face by making that change. 

 

Same with wrist set. How will a within normal ranges of wrist set, that is then set earlier, change his path and ftp numbers?

 

Im looking for specifics on how many degrees of change to each and in what direction...from you.

Dont know and not really the focus. It’s about improving the efficiency of the swine and reducing manipulations needed because of the poor rotation caused by where the weight is and what it does to his swing. It’s about making what he wants to do easier.

 

Nothing good is done from the heels and it’s harder to control the face with a palmy grip

[GoGoErky]

OP here is a long but good video about the grip.

 

 

[getitdaily]

1 minute ago, GoGoErky said:

Dont know and not really the focus. It’s about improving the efficiency of the swine and reducing manipulations needed because of the poor rotation caused by where the weight is and what it does to his swing. It’s about making what he wants to do easier.

 

Nothing good is done from the heels and it’s harder to control the face with a palmy grip

So you're saying he has poor rotation? You're saying he's not efficient?

 

This is the problem with generalizations and not playing or hitting a ball in 3 years and then giving swing advice to someone with above avg ability. 

 

He rotates just fine. He's really neutral. He said he wants to hit a fade and he's got a slight draw pattern and draw Ball position....there's no need to chase the standard generalization checkpoints here. 

 

Want to hit a fade, ball more forward, swing more left, see how face reacts to that intent change.

[sundaypins]

1 hour ago, GoGoErky said:

... and nothing athletic is done from the heels

 

[virtuoso]

3 hours ago, iopio77 said:

Mainly been focusing on my hip movement in the golf swing and using face-on videos to review. Recently took this DTL view and I feel I am making some progress on the hip movement but noticed the ugly address posture. I am wondering if this address position is limiting progress and what other consequences it could lead to later in the swing. Interested to hear of any tips and general swing comments (especially hips clearing).

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Ohh, cool, a right eye dominant guy. The reason you can't clear your hips more is because of your right leg/right hip movement from P2 to P4.

Edited July 22 by virtuoso

[MK7Golf21]

6 hours ago, getitdaily said:

Face is open basically the entire swing. 

 

You have a face on? 

 

What's your desired shot shape?

 

Not a bad swing. I agree I think open face in his swing causing his issues, imo. Got a really short swing and you don't have time to close the face at all. Little to no depth of the butt of club at top of swing.

 

Check out how short your swing is, look at how little your shoulders have turned and your legs compared to Adam Scott at the top. Adam S has way more time to get the face closed and hit whatever shot he wants.

 

 

 

 

[virtuoso]

18 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

Not a bad swing. I agree I think open face in his swing causing his issues, imo. Got a really short swing and you don't have time to close the face at all. Little to no depth of the butt of club at top of swing.

 

Check out how short your swing is, look at how little your shoulders have turned and your legs compared to Adam Scott at the top. Adam S has way more time to get the face closed and hit whatever shot he wants.

 

 

 

 

Yeah, its all coming from the right hip and leg.

[getitdaily]

44 minutes ago, MK7Golf21 said:

 

Not a bad swing. I agree I think open face in his swing causing his issues, imo. Got a really short swing and you don't have time to close the face at all. Little to no depth of the butt of club at top of swing.

 

Check out how short your swing is, look at how little your shoulders have turned and your legs compared to Adam Scott at the top. Adam S has way more time to get the face closed and hit whatever shot he wants.

 

 

 

 

I considered backswing length on the face in but dismissed it as some sort of drill swing because his dtl swing is nowhere near that short.