chisag Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 ... This of course depends on your index and ability. High index players fear par 5's because they are long and provide multiple chances to hit bad shots. Better players love par 5's because they give not just one, but 2 opportunities to make up for a poor shot. A high index player will most likely putt equally poorly on every hole so they may feel if they hit their driver or fw/hybrids well they have a better chance to score. I remember a stat from the early 2000's (although not the exact numbers so just memory) but Tiger was something like 1,249 under on par 5's for his entire career on tour and 39 over on Par 3's. ... I do think putter is by far the one club that can affect most players scoring the most. You can recover from a bad drive and still make birdie. You can recover from a bad approach shot and still make par. You can't recover from a poor putt whether that is a bad lag that ends in a 3 putt or a missed short putt to save par. 1 Quote Driver: TM Qi10 ... autoFlex Dream 7 SF405Fairway: Aerojet 3 wood and 7 wood ... Ventus Red Velo/Kai'Li 70rHybrids: Ping G430 22* ... Alta CB Black Hy70rIrons: Cobra 3DP Tour 5-pw ... Steelfiber i80r/i95rWedges: MG4 ... 50*/54*/58* ... Steelfiber i95rPutter: EVNRoll Custom EV 5.1 no sight lines 33"Ball: 2025 Maxfli Tour X/ProV1 X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim53 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Putter, as a older slower player. I can get on the green normally in 3 (par 4) from anywhere, if the putts are dropping score is good. Quote Callaway Eylte TD Max 9 deg. Autoflex 405 Titleist GT2 15 deg. Autoflex 505x Titleist GT3 18 deg. Autoflex 505xx Callaway 24 TCB 4-PW Steelfiber 95r Mizuno T3 wedges 52 & 58 MMT 105s SLED # 1 35.5 Toulon Las Vegas in for testing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Biarritz Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 For me, it's wedges, putter, Play Club, approach club from 9 iron up. Approach from 140 (normal PW yardage) and in is the strong point in my game. Then it depends on the putter. I'm generally good at avoiding 3 putts but struggle to make much between 5-10 feet. Then it's getting the ball in play off the tee, whether that's with a driver or something else. For me, that's 7 clubs. If those 7 clubs are working great, I'll score well as long as the approach clubs are mediocre good. If the wedge game isn't working, it's going to be a long day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenie Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 I am a 10 cap. I rely on my short game and putting to make up for missed greens or greens I can't reach in regulation. I have an excellent short game. The putter determines if I end up with a good score for the day most of the time. All of my rounds I have shot in the 70's is when the putter was hot and stayed hot the whole round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcjim Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 Irons. Driving and putting are fine. short game ok if I practice, bad if I don't practice. Irons are a struggle for whatever reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beluga99 Posted July 23 Share Posted July 23 14 hours ago, Red4282 said: This is the interesting conversation… was it truly your putting if you had 30 footers all day? Ive had those rounds before hit a bunch of greens and two putt everything and on the stat paper, irons looked great (gir) putts looked bad… but in reality the proximity to the hole may be bad. From memory I had ~12 putts inside 20 feet, some shorter. It was laughable towards the end on how well I was hitting the ball and could not for the life of me make a birdie. I've since tweaked my putting stroke, making a few more 6-10 foot putts and my index has dropped from 4.5 to 2.9. 2 Quote G430 LST 9* 3Deep 15* G425 19* 26* 925F 5-P S22 51* Zipcore 56* S20 60* Spider Tour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
getitdaily Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Interesting question... What affects my scores the most...putter. When I roll them in I can go low. But, my driver is so good that the case can be made that im able to be super aggressive because I hit the driver so well. Take away my driver super power and then it affects score a lot more. So does that mean it currently affects my score the most? Probably... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BombinJim Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 8 hours ago, Milk Diesel said: Driver 100% for me. I struggle with getting stuck. So if i'm off? No saving it. I hit it far enough that a hard block will be OB right, and a snap hook may be in the rough to the left. Exactly me. 1 Quote Driver: Callaway Paradym Triple D w/ Hazardous Smoke Green Hulk 60TX @45" 3W: Taylormade M2 15* w/ Hazardous Smoke Green Hulk 80X. 5W: Taylormade M6 18* w/ Hazardous Smoke Green Hulk 90 TX. Irons: Miura Retro Tournament blades 3i, 4i, and 7i. Miura MB-001 5i, 6i, 8i-9i. 3i with MMT 125TX. 4i-9i are Oak doweled, DG X100 Tiger Stepped 1/4” lofts: 3i: 20* 4i: 24* 5i: 28* 6i: 32* 7i: 36* 8i: 40* 9i: 44* Wedges: Artisan custom 49* w/ DG X100 tour issue, Artisan custom 56*, Artisan custom 60* w/ DG S400 Tour issue Putter: Spoiler Golf OG Grips: Golf pride MCC+4. Ball: Titleist ProV1x left dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red4282 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 1 hour ago, beluga99 said: From memory I had ~12 putts inside 20 feet, some shorter. It was laughable towards the end on how well I was hitting the ball and could not for the life of me make a birdie. I've since tweaked my putting stroke, making a few more 6-10 foot putts and my index has dropped from 4.5 to 2.9. I guess the right answer for everyone will be different and the only true answer would be to look at strokes gained for each area 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Peabody Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 6 hours ago, subcrazy12 said: With all the people saying driver in here I would love to know the playing length that everyone is going with on their driver. I think most of us would benefit from a shorter driver to tighten dispersion and only drop a few yards For years I would have said driver. But now I feel comfortable with it. The first big change was upgrading to a newer, more forgiving head. But another big change is I put in a 41" shaft...literally swapping it with my 7 wood of the same brand. I'm never going back. I am in the process of changing out my 7W and 9W to sub-40 inch shafts. The thing that is impacting my scores the most now is definitely not my putter. Putting is my superpower. And years of "good putting" has built up tons of confidence. I feel like I could pull someone's putter out of their bag mid-round and putt better than them with it. My wedges are impacting me the most now. And my uncle literally pulled my wedge out of my bag mid-round and was better with it. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocBrown3887 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Driver and not even close. I'm comfortable with everything else these days. 1 Quote Driver: Mizuno STZ-230 Limited Edition White stock HZRDUS Blue (S) 5 Wood: Cobra LTDx stock HZRDUS Smoke i10 (S) 5, 6 Hybrids: PXG Gen 5 Aerotech Steelfiber HLS 780R Irons 7-P: Edel SMS Pro Aerotech Steelfiber i95 R (36.5" one length, 1 deg strong) Wedges (49 & 55): Edel SMS Pro Aerotech Steelfiber i95 S (36.5" one length, 8-iron spinners) Putter: Taylor Made Spider ZT Long 🧹 Balls: PXG Extreme Tour (2024) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
this_is_golf Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 I can’t hit my putter into the trees or OB so driver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
is1ander Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Definitely irons. I can save a bad driver day with a great irons day. And if I stick em close, chipping is not needed and putting is drama-free. Quote Ping 10K 7.5 - Ventus TR Black 5x Ping G440 4H - GD GT7s Ping i240 5i - SteelFiber i95s Miura KM700 P to 6i - SteelFiber i95s Vega 52/56 - Project X 6.0 Dan Carraher Zero Torque x LABWORX - Diamana P105 Tour Velvet Tour Tac/Honorary Starter Mid & Left Dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrs122 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 For us AMTs, golf is game of managing your bad shots. The longer the club the faster the speed, more risk of mistake. Driver all day for me, because it can cause the most damage. Putting is something that prevents great scores, but rarely drives a bad score, IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjfcpa Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 55 minutes ago, hrs122 said: For us AMTs, golf is game of managing your bad shots. The longer the club the faster the speed, more risk of mistake. Driver all day for me, because it can cause the most damage. Putting is something that prevents great scores, but rarely drives a bad score, IMO. Not sure I can agree with this; however, I can understand if your driving is so erratic that you might duff a number of drives that can add a shot to each of those holes. But the same is true of putting where you can be on the green in regulation and 3 putt. I can use my last round as an example where my drives were all descent. Not a long hitter so let's say 180 - 200 yards. However, I had at least 4 or 5 chances to save par with a 1-putt. However, I missed those short putts and had to settle for a bogey. In my case, putting made all the difference and added 4 or 5 strokes to that round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjfcpa Posted July 24 Author Share Posted July 24 13 hours ago, Red4282 said: I guess the right answer for everyone will be different and the only true answer would be to look at strokes gained for each area Probably the closest to what I've seen is the right answer. With me, if I'm hitting my wedges that day, I can save par on those short drives, even if my irons are not working that day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subcrazy12 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 4 minutes ago, jjfcpa said: Not sure I can agree with this; however, I can understand if your driving is so erratic that you might duff a number of drives that can add a shot to each of those holes. But the same is true of putting where you can be on the green in regulation and 3 putt. I can use my last round as an example where my drives were all descent. Not a long hitter so let's say 180 - 200 yards. However, I had at least 4 or 5 chances to save par with a 1-putt. However, I missed those short putts and had to settle for a bogey. In my case, putting made all the difference and added 4 or 5 strokes to that round. idk it's way easier to get in trouble real quick with the driver compared to the putter. It's almost impossible to take a penalty with a putter but it really isn't too hard with the driver and that will kill a round and hole way quicker than a 3 putt bogey. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrs122 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 14 minutes ago, subcrazy12 said: idk it's way easier to get in trouble real quick with the driver compared to the putter. It's almost impossible to take a penalty with a putter but it really isn't too hard with the driver and that will kill a round and hole way quicker than a 3 putt bogey. I also would choose to 3 putt for bogey all day vs hitting a tee shot OB. Maybe that is more a mental thing. But the 3 putt feels easier to recover on the next hole. I am 5 HC, who can hit fairways all day, but usually one of those goes awry and "ruins" the round. I am sure we are all different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golfwb Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 To stay on topic iron game for sure. Not to be that guy but the greatest thing that affects my scoring is my attitude/confidence. There is no betting feeling in golf than when you are on a heater and you know it (wish it happened more often) Quote Ping G425 LST 9.5 AD-DI 6S SIM TI 19* Ventus Blue 8X Stealth 2 7 wood HC Evenflow Black 85X Srixon 585 4 Nippon Modus 3 120S Srixon 745 5,6 Nippon Modus 3 120S Srixon 785 7-PW Nippon Modus 3 120S Titleist SM8 50,54,60 S200 TM Spider X Chalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben B Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 My tee game sets the tone for my round. Rarely will I post a good number when I am having a bad day off the tee. So for me it would be driver. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jah7838 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 My really bad rounds are usually a result of my driver and not keeping my misses in play. I usually hit my irons ok, and my short game is fairly consistent. 1 Quote WITB Driver: 10.5* Qi10 LS set 1 click lower upright setting- Alidla Rogue Silver 6s or Diamana ZF 60s Fairways: Qi35 5 wood turned down to 17* (UST Linq White 7F4), Qi35 7 wood (Tensei Black 1k 85s) Hybrids and Irons: 23* Adams Super 9031 w/ DG Mid 100s; ZX5 5 iron, 6-PW Srixon ZX7 (DG Amt White s300) Wedges: Tour Satin Cleveland RTX6 48* Mid bent to 49*, RTX Zipcore Tour Rack Raw 56* Mid & 58* Mid bent to 60* (All wedges with DGTI s400 shafts) Putter: Toulon Las Vegas h4.5 or Kingston KP1 Carbon Oil Can (both with Stability Tour Black shafts) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScooterMcTavish Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Affecting MY score? Right NOW? Up until last year, it was an erratic and short driver. But I spent the season working on my setup, and now have a much more consistent ball shape and distance. I'm not a super long hitter, so I need all the yards I can get. However, now that driver is fixed, my putting has gone in the tank. Had 20 putts in 9 holes yesterday, and did not sink anything over 2', including a miss from 6', a miss from 4', another miss from 6', and miss from 3'. Not going to say the "Y" word, but damn it's getting close. Quote WITB Link D - Cobra Darkspeed LS 10.5° w/UST Lin-Q M40X White 6F4 FW1 - Cobra Darkspeed X 3HF @ 15.5° w/UST Lin-Q M40X White 7F4 FW2 - Cobra Darkspeed X 5 @ 18.5° w/UST Lin-Q M40X White 7F4 3h - Mizuno MP-H4 @ 21º (inbound) 4-PW - Mizuno JPX-923 Tour w/DG120 SW - W/S 52-8, 56-14 Putter - Odyssey Ai-ONE Jailbird S or Cleveland Frontline Elite Rho SB (both inbound) Bag - Ogio Woode 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkLow Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Putter, by 10 miles. I average between 15-16 GIR each round, with usually more than 30 putts. Could prob get to a +4 or 5 if I could putt/read greens. I don't even know where to start to get better at it. Missing as many short putts as I do kills confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddiebigeddie Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Driver for this guy! If it hit it well, I shoot upper 70’s low 80’s. If I don’t anywhere from 85-95…most of the time I can keep it in the 80’s….but I am prone to a few rounds that driver HURTS Me and nothing else can help it 🤦🏻♂️ Quote Driver: Mizuno STG-440 (10.5) - Ventus TR Red 6s Mini: PXG Secret Weapon (14) - Tensei AV2 X-link Blue 75s Fwy: Cobra F6 BAFFLER (16.5) - Hzrdus Red 75/6.0Hyb: Cobra F7 (20.5) - Aldila Tour Blue 85s Iron: Srixon ZXi4/5 (5/6-Aw) - KBS TGI 100x (5-7) / Dart V 120's (8-A) Wedge: Cleveland RTZ Tour Rack (54/10) - D.G. Spinner T.I.Wedge: Cleveland RTZ Black Adapt (60/08) - D.G. Spinner T.I. Putter: Lajosi DD201 Copper Flow (34.5) or Ping PLD Tyne 4 (35)Bag: Bennington LQO-9 Stand Bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jhughes058 Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 On 7/23/2025 at 10:52 AM, mikedejong33 said: For me it is driver easily. As a 2-3ish handicap, when I drive it well I find it hard almost to shoot too much over par... but if I drive it poorly, I can shoot in the 80's pretty easily. I putt pretty well, I don't make a ton of one putts, but I very rarely three putt. I don't chip great, but I usually hit a lot of greens (on or very close, close enough to putt often). So for me it is always about my driver, it can be the best or worst club in my bag from day to day. I hit 3 wood very well off the tee, and I do use that for basically any hole under 400 yards. But get into the 450 yard par 4's and that isn't really an option. Driver makes or breaks my rounds every time. I can fully agree with this, im in the same situation. My driver is in a terrible spot right now so im shooting high 70's or low 80's. But 4 weeks ago I had 75, 76, 73, 72, 75. First time shooting even par with that 72 so my driver struggles have been incredibly frustrating. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miles2go Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Fairway Woods. Topping, chunking. Misdirection. I suck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HackinNut Posted July 24 Share Posted July 24 Definitely the putter. The other day I hit the first 7 GIR, & 3 putted three of them. I miss way too many putts that I really should have made. And I tend to have 3 or 4 three putts a round. Hitting 15/18 GIR & only shooting 78 gets a little frustrating sometimes. Quote Driver: Titleist GT3 UST Mamiya LIN-Q Blue Prototype Fairways: Titleist GT2 13.5* UST Mamiya LIN-Q Blue Utility: Titleist U500 19* Fujikura Ventus Blue HB Irons: T350 4 & 5, T200 6-PW UST Mamiya Recoil Dart F4 105g Wedges: Vokey SM9 48* & 52*, SM10 56* Putter: L.A.B. Golf MEZZ.1 Proto Ball: ProV1 Left Dot/Dash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbpwrx Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Interesting how there are good-driver guys and good-iron guys. Usually not both. Just like on tour! Quote Titleist TSR4 9° @ C1 w/ HZRDUS Smoke Red RDX 70TX (@ 44.5" tipped 1.5") Titleist 915F 13.5° @ C1 w/ Graphite Design P9003 TX (@ 42.5" tipped 1") Titleist TS2 hybrid 17° @ C1 w/ Aldila 105TX Tour Blue (@ 40.5" straight in) Callaway X-Forged UT 20° w/ ACCRA 110i M5 (@39.5" straight in) Titleist U500 23° w/ KBS C-Taper 130x (straight in, std 38.5") Cobra King Forged MB 5i-Pw w/ KBS C-Taper 130X (straight in) Mizuno T24 Raw 50S + 56D w/ KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 135X Bell 2Way Blade w/ Rifle 7.0 (HSx5) + Flatcat Solution StarGrip TourStar Jumbos + ProV1x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimMLINY Posted July 25 Share Posted July 25 Driver. Too many donations into woods that I just take a stroke and drop for. 1 Quote 2023 Callaway GBB Driver 10.5° Even Flow Project X 5.0 45G Golf Pride Align MCC 4+ Midsize / Callaway BB 3 wood 16° Even Flow Project X 5.0 65G Golf Pride Align MCC 4+ Midsize / Callaway Epic Flash 5 wood 18° Even Flow Project X 5.0 55G Golf Pride Align MCC 4+ Midsize / Stan Thompson Ginty 21° True Temper DYNALITE S.T. Pro Only Golf Pride Align MCC 4+ Midsize / Callaway BB 4 hybrid 23° UST Mamiya Recoil ESX 460 F2 Golf Pride Align MCC 4+ Midsize / Callaway Epic Flash 5 hybrid 26° Mitsubishi Tensei AV 60 Flex A Golf Pride Align MCC 4+ Midsize / 2019 Callaway BB OS 7 - P UST Mamiya Recoil ESX 460 F2 Golf Pride Align MCC 4+ Midsize / Callaway Jaws Raw 48° 10S Project X Catalyst Wedge Golf Pride Align MCC 4+ Midsize / Callaway Sure Out 2 56° UST Mamiya Wedge Golf Pride Align MCC 4+ Midsize / Callaway Jaws Raw Chrome Full Face 60° 10S UST Mamiya Recoil 460 F3 Golf Pride MCC 4+ Midsize / SeeMore Bronze FGP Mallet/Vice Drive/SM C-130S, 4.5, 2.5 or C-130 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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