Roast Away!

[AyeAre10]

Feel free to roast it. I play alright sometimes, capable of shooting either a 72 or a 92 any given day. Biggest struggle is staying away from the heel shot / cold shank. Anything obvious that could cause this?

 

Path is not normally this inside out, I’m thinking alignment in the bay might not have been great. I play a draw for the most part, but not a hook like this.

 

DTL w/ numbers  - 7i

 

 

FO w/ numbers - 7i

 

 

Bonus Wedge FO - 58*

 

Edited July 25 by AyeAre10

[AntMono]

Not a fan, Hate it

[MonteScheinblum]

Earlier wrist hinge.

Eliminate excess head rotation 

 

Those two things will help you solve the actual problem.  A backswing that is WAY too long for a 7 iron.  Too long for a driver in reality unless you’re competing in long drive.  Other issues will start to align when these are addressed.

 

Edit and addendum….Grip pressure looks too loose

Edited July 25 by MonteScheinblum

[KD1]

Looks like you're barely holding the club with your trail hand.

[iacas]

To build on what @MonteScheinblum said:

 

 

Right hand is opened up there, the longer backswing with the poor pivot leads to a shallow shoulder turn that requires you to drop down as you do from the top to get to the golf ball.

 

Lotta work ahead if you want to do it. But you have speed, and that's tough to teach, so you can get pretty good if you do put in the work.

 

Grip, setup, and then P1-P3 work is advised. Then add like 10% to get to what should be your actual P4.

[tthomasgolfer605]

You go from a good setup to looking like you served time in prison before taking the club back. 

[joedizzy1978]

Right hand grip. Not enough points of contact between it, the lead hand and grip.  Lead and trail hand apply different forces and the trail hands inability to participate factors into many of your stated issues. 

[AyeAre10]

12 minutes ago, MonteScheinblum said:

Earlier wrist hinge.

Eliminate excess head rotation 

 

Those two things will help you solve the actual problem.  A backswing that is WAY too long for a 7 iron.  Too long for a driver in reality unless you’re competing in long drive.  Other issues will start to align when these are addressed.

 

Edit and addendum….Grip pressure looks too loose

Figured this would be on the hit list, the wrist hinge convo is hot lately it seems. Is wrist hinge with shoulder movement and passive hands/wrists, or hinge with active hands/wrists easier to achieve? 

[tthomasgolfer605]

Stop backing that thing up. 🤪

[AyeAre10]

17 minutes ago, iacas said:

To build on what @MonteScheinblum said:

 

 

Right hand is opened up there, the longer backswing with the poor pivot leads to a shallow shoulder turn that requires you to drop down as you do from the top to get to the golf ball.

 

Lotta work ahead if you want to do it. But you have speed, and that's tough to teach, so you can get pretty good if you do put in the work.

 

Grip, setup, and then P1-P3 work is advised. Then add like 10% to get to what should be your actual P4.

I follow until you get to the add 10% part. What do you mean by that? 

[AyeAre10]

2 minutes ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

Stop backing that thing up. 🤪

Don’t take all the fun out of it!

[iacas]

14 minutes ago, AyeAre10 said:

I follow until you get to the add 10% part. What do you mean by that? 

 

As in:

• Now: P3 + 40% = your P4
• Future: Learn to swing to P3 only for a bit, then add only 10%. That's your new and improved P4.

Edited July 25 by iacas

[AyeAre10]

1 minute ago, iacas said:

 

As in… P3 + only 10% more, not the 40% you're adding beyond P3.

I see. Thank you

[tthomasgolfer605]

6 minutes ago, AyeAre10 said:

Don’t take all the fun out of it!

Seriously though. It causes a lot of problems. I'd work on that before anything. 

[AyeAre10]

7 minutes ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

Seriously though. It causes a lot of problems. I'd work on that before anything. 

Fine! 😩

[MonteScheinblum]

56 minutes ago, AyeAre10 said:

Figured this would be on the hit list, the wrist hinge convo is hot lately it seems. Is wrist hinge with shoulder movement and passive hands/wrists, or hinge with active hands/wrists easier to achieve? 

Nothing can be passive if it’s not happening.  Tiger said it best.  Anyone who says the hands are passive doesn’t know how to swing a club properly……paraphrase.  It was more like anyone who says to take the hands and wrists out of it is stupid. 😜

[DaveLeeNC]

This has been mentioned by others, but your first move "away" from the ball is the most efficient I have ever seen. This is a tongue in cheek comment referencing the the fact that tilting backwards gets you further from the ball (per inch of movement) than motion in any other plane. 

 

dave

 

[sundaypins]

1 hour ago, AyeAre10 said:

 Is wrist hinge with shoulder movement and passive hands/wrists, or hinge with active hands/wrists easier to achieve? 

 

George Knudson said this about hands, the key word being one of the more important words in golf, "let".  

 

Passive hands is not meant to mean inactive hands. Our hands will be as active as we need them to be if we let them move along with the rest of our body.

 

 

[iacas]

10 minutes ago, sundaypins said:

George Knudson said this about hands, the key word being one of the more important words in golf, "let".  

 

Passive hands is not meant to mean inactive hands. Our hands will be as active as we need them to be if we let them move along with the rest of our body.

 

And what do you tell someone whose hands don't do what they should? Odds are they're gonna have to actively "do" something with their hands for awhile.

 

This is like the "natural" stuff. Some people do things "naturally…" after years of learning to do them. Or after playing other sports and getting a general motion or movement pattern down. But that doesn't make the move "natural" - it's only natural to those that have learned to do it, plus a small minority to which it may actually be somewhat natural… but even they probably mimicked someone or something without really knowing about it.

[AyeAre10]

58 minutes ago, DaveLeeNC said:

This has been mentioned by others, but your first move "away" from the ball is the most efficient I have ever seen. This is a tongue in cheek comment referencing the the fact that tilting backwards gets you further from the ball (per inch of movement) than motion in any other plane. 

 

dave

 

You say Efficient, but I’m reading that as “stop doing it”. Is distance from the ball desirable or is this something I dreamed up to not shank every shot?

[AyeAre10]

1 hour ago, sundaypins said:

 

George Knudson said this about hands, the key word being one of the more important words in golf, "let".  

 

Passive hands is not meant to mean inactive hands. Our hands will be as active as we need them to be if we let them move along with the rest of our body.

 

 

This is the guy that also said “give up control to gain control”? 
 

I'm going to take up pickleball.

[tthomasgolfer605]

48 minutes ago, AyeAre10 said:

You say Efficient, but I’m reading that as “stop doing it”. Is distance from the ball desirable or is this something I dreamed up to not shank every shot?

The photo on the left will be more efficient if you just swing from there. How tall are you?

[AyeAre10]

4 minutes ago, tthomasgolfer605 said:

The photo on the left will be more efficient if you just swing from there. How tall are you?

6’3 ish

[DaveLeeNC]

1 hour ago, AyeAre10 said:

You say Efficient, but I’m reading that as “stop doing it”. Is distance from the ball desirable or is this something I dreamed up to not shank every shot?

 

Note the 'tongue in cheek' comment (as in 'not intended to be taken seriously). And I don't know how you ended up with that move (that I have never seen before at that point in the swing). It could be some kind of subconscious move to avoid the shanks (or not).

 

IMHO, you could end up with a darn good golf game with a bit of work - way less work than many/many golfers would have to undertake.

 

dave

[AyeAre10]

2 minutes ago, DaveLeeNC said:

 

Note the 'tongue in cheek' comment (as in 'not intended to be taken seriously). And I don't know how you ended up with that move (that I have never seen before at that point in the swing). It could be some kind of subconscious move to avoid the shanks (or not).

 

IMHO, you could end up with a darn good golf game with a bit of work - way less work than many/many golfers would have to undertake.

 

dave

Id like to get away from being a basket case with a s*** swing and transition to a basket case with a decent swing. 
 

Best place to start? I’d like to try myself for a bit, I’ve had some lessons maybe 6-7 years ago, but enjoy learning how things work. 

[sundaypins]

1 hour ago, AyeAre10 said:

This is the guy that also said “give up control to gain control”? 

 

That be him, he was big on not interfering with the reactive downswing.  Crossing that threshold might not be the easiest thing for players of the game, but the threshold is real, do we react or go along for the ride.  

[MonteScheinblum]

“Swinging a golf club should be as natural as walking or throwing a ball.”

 

I was tired of that statement around 1986.

 

”Just let it happen….allow it to happen.”

 

Both of those statements only apply when you actually do things competently already.  People walk and throw like crap too, so I guess the first statement is correct.

 

How can you let or allow something happen that you don’t know how to do or have never done before?

 

Learning a new movement in the swing happens in 3 stages.

 

1.  You have to do it on purpose

2.  You have to allow your body to adapt the movement

3.  You do it without thinking and it becomes natural

 

If your advice is step 2 or step 3, you might as well put your teenagers in the car by themselves and say, “Put it in drive, press the gas and steer the car where you want it to go,” and go back in the house.

 

I have a 15 and 16 year old, so it’s relevant.

 

I walked like crap for 40 and I have to actively make several changes to the way I walked.  

 

 

[NosajNeelik]

39 minutes ago, sundaypins said:

 

That be him, he was big on not interfering with the reactive downswing.  Crossing that threshold might not be the easiest thing for players of the game, but the threshold is real, do we react or go along for the ride.  

Zitlow 2.0?

[AyeAre10]

39 minutes ago, NosajNeelik said:

Zitlow 2.0?

Just wasted 30 minutes reading his posts. He says “anatomy trains” more than once, which seems like a problem.

 

Edited July 26 by AyeAre10

[NosajNeelik]

19 minutes ago, AyeAre10 said:

Just wasted 30 minutes reading his posts. He says “anatomy trains” more than once, which seems like a problem.

 

Just feel your swing like water coming out of a hose or a spoke in a wheel. You’ll be hitting it like Mike Austin in no time. 

Edited July 26 by NosajNeelik