Reverse K setup

[Antiny]

How to step into it

I've been trying this from time to time at the range, and i haven't found a good way to step into this setup position.

With my standard setup, I just place my feet together, with the ball inline with a spot on my chest (depending on the club), and then step out with my feet. But while trying to get into the Reverse K, I end up shifting my hip and sliding and feel very awkward, trying to get in the correct setup.

How do you guys do it?

(edited for spelling)

[funkyfedora]

I set up in a "normal stance" and then just tilt my upper body to the right. My right eye is over my right knee. I have a problem with extra movement on my back swing so i set up like this to void the move.

[Boba]

Place a club vertically along your sternum, bend from your hips & tilt your spine about 3-7 degrees away from your target. If done properly your club will touch the inside of your left knee. I also like to make sure my left side is stacked, with my left shoulder, hip, knee & ankle all in a line.

 

 

And if that doesn't work:

[Antiny]

I set up in a "normal stance" and then just tilt my upper body to the right. My right eye is over my right knee. I have a problem with extra movement on my back swing so i set up like this to void the move.

 

So when you tilt your upper body to the right, do you also slide your hips forward to be over your left heel?

 

I understand how the reverse K setup is supposed to be, just can't figure out how to incorporate getting into this position in my pre-shot routine.

 

One thing I tried recently was stepping up to the ball with my feet together (so my left hip is over my left ankle), with the ball in the proper position, and then only moving my right foot back while trying to keep left hip over my left ankle.

 

Is that the correct way to do it? It feels a little weird, but that may be because I am not used to that setup and feeling.

[dfw1500]

The best way I have found to get into the reverse K setup is the following.........start the setup in your usual way where because the right hand is below the left the , the right shoulder will be lower than the left as a by product....you then want to kick the right hip in and down as the left hip will go up which will get the spine "in line" you will then in sequence press the instep of the right foot into the floor so that it can stabilise the right side of the body through the swing....

 

I use the kicking in of the right hip/side as my trigger to start the swing.....I start with the weight on the instep of the right foot and then as I kick the right hip down and in and thia action then starts my swing, as I settle into the reverse K ;)

 

Cheers Dan

[Antiny]

The best way I have found to get into the reverse K setup is the following.........start the setup in your usual way where because the right hand is below the left the , the right shoulder will be lower than the left as a by product....you then want to kick the right hip in and down as the left hip will go up which will get the spine "in line" you will then in sequence press the instep of the right foot into the floor so that it can stabilise the right side of the body through the swing....

 

I use the kicking in of the right hip/side as my trigger to start the swing.....I start with the weight on the instep of the right foot and then as I kick the right hip down and in and thia action then starts my swing, as I settle into the reverse K ;)

 

Cheers Dan

 

Ah, great. Thanks Dan, i'll give that a shot.

[funkyfedora]

I set up in a "normal stance" and then just tilt my upper body to the right. My right eye is over my right knee. I have a problem with extra movement on my back swing so i set up like this to void the move.

 

So when you tilt your upper body to the right, do you also slide your hips forward to be over your left heel?

 

I understand how the reverse K setup is supposed to be, just can't figure out how to incorporate getting into this position in my pre-shot routine.

 

One thing I tried recently was stepping up to the ball with my feet together (so my left hip is over my left ankle), with the ball in the proper position, and then only moving my right foot back while trying to keep left hip over my left ankle.

 

Is that the correct way to do it? It feels a little weird, but that may be because I am not used to that setup and feeling.

 

 

 

When I move my upper body over my hips slide a little forward to the target.

 

Really I set up square and move my right eye over the right knee. Thats just how I do it. Hope this helps...

[Thaxx]

The best way I have found to get into the reverse K setup is the following.........start the setup in your usual way where because the right hand is below the left the , the right shoulder will be lower than the left as a by product....you then want to kick the right hip in and down as the left hip will go up which will get the spine "in line" you will then in sequence press the instep of the right foot into the floor so that it can stabilise the right side of the body through the swing....

 

I use the kicking in of the right hip/side as my trigger to start the swing.....I start with the weight on the instep of the right foot and then as I kick the right hip down and in and thia action then starts my swing, as I settle into the reverse K ;)

 

Cheers Dan

 

Is the reverse K only nessasary for the mid to longer irons and driver?

I try and have more weight on my left side with my shorter clubs.

Thanks,

Mike

[Antiny]

I set up in a "normal stance" and then just tilt my upper body to the right. My right eye is over my right knee. I have a problem with extra movement on my back swing so i set up like this to void the move.

 

So when you tilt your upper body to the right, do you also slide your hips forward to be over your left heel?

 

I understand how the reverse K setup is supposed to be, just can't figure out how to incorporate getting into this position in my pre-shot routine.

 

One thing I tried recently was stepping up to the ball with my feet together (so my left hip is over my left ankle), with the ball in the proper position, and then only moving my right foot back while trying to keep left hip over my left ankle.

 

Is that the correct way to do it? It feels a little weird, but that may be because I am not used to that setup and feeling.

 

 

 

When I move my upper body over my hips slide a little forward to the target.

 

Really I set up square and move my right eye over the right knee. Thats just how I do it. Hope this helps...

 

That helps also, that's a good visual checkpoint. Thanks

[paulyb]

The best way I have found to get into the reverse K setup is the following.........start the setup in your usual way where because the right hand is below the left the , the right shoulder will be lower than the left as a by product....you then want to kick the right hip in and down as the left hip will go up which will get the spine "in line" you will then in sequence press the instep of the right foot into the floor so that it can stabilise the right side of the body through the swing....

 

I use the kicking in of the right hip/side as my trigger to start the swing.....I start with the weight on the instep of the right foot and then as I kick the right hip down and in and thia action then starts my swing, as I settle into the reverse K ;)

 

Cheers Dan

 

This is it for me. When I don't get the left hip up and the right instep activated I am done. The right instep, for me, is huge. When I am hitting my irons best my right side pivot is felt by the right instep.

[funkyfedora]

The best way I have found to get into the reverse K setup is the following.........start the setup in your usual way where because the right hand is below the left the , the right shoulder will be lower than the left as a by product....you then want to kick the right hip in and down as the left hip will go up which will get the spine "in line" you will then in sequence press the instep of the right foot into the floor so that it can stabilise the right side of the body through the swing....

 

I use the kicking in of the right hip/side as my trigger to start the swing.....I start with the weight on the instep of the right foot and then as I kick the right hip down and in and thia action then starts my swing, as I settle into the reverse K ;)

 

Cheers Dan

 

Is the reverse K only nessasary for the mid to longer irons and driver?

I try and have more weight on my left side with my shorter clubs.

Thanks,

Mike

 

 

Mike,

 

Thats what my pro tells me to do. You want more weight on your left side. I only do it for wedges but thats my personal preference...

 

 

Will.

[dfw1500]

The best way I have found to get into the reverse K setup is the following.........start the setup in your usual way where because the right hand is below the left the , the right shoulder will be lower than the left as a by product....you then want to kick the right hip in and down as the left hip will go up which will get the spine "in line" you will then in sequence press the instep of the right foot into the floor so that it can stabilise the right side of the body through the swing....

 

I use the kicking in of the right hip/side as my trigger to start the swing.....I start with the weight on the instep of the right foot and then as I kick the right hip down and in and thia action then starts my swing, as I settle into the reverse K ;)

 

Cheers Dan

 

This is it for me. When I don't get the left hip up and the right instep activated I am done. The right instep, for me, is huge. When I am hitting my irons best my right side pivot is felt by the right instep.

 

The right leg/instep/thigh is what allows the right side to be braced in the backswing and what will provide torque for the swing........this pressure from the right foot will then keep the right side very stable in the backswing and allow the downswing to come from the left side, due to the torque coil built up in the backswing and due to the pressure on the right foot it will then become much quieter through the ball as a by product of the left side pulling through. ;)

[dfw1500]

The best way I have found to get into the reverse K setup is the following.........start the setup in your usual way where because the right hand is below the left the , the right shoulder will be lower than the left as a by product....you then want to kick the right hip in and down as the left hip will go up which will get the spine "in line" you will then in sequence press the instep of the right foot into the floor so that it can stabilise the right side of the body through the swing....

 

I use the kicking in of the right hip/side as my trigger to start the swing.....I start with the weight on the instep of the right foot and then as I kick the right hip down and in and thia action then starts my swing, as I settle into the reverse K ;)

 

Cheers Dan

 

Is the reverse K only nessasary for the mid to longer irons and driver?

I try and have more weight on my left side with my shorter clubs.

Thanks,

Mike

 

The reverse K is for all of the irons you will just have more wieght "set left" at address with the shorter irons so you can compress the ball correctly ;)

 

Cheers Dan

[funkyfedora]

I use it for irons like stated by the above poster and then i "load" the left side when I hit wedges.

[b81smith]

LOL, reading all these descriptions are funny - I need a neck as long as a Geraff's to get my right eye over my right knee - it's the human body and the golf setup at war with eachother - you're shoulders are a certain width okay, then most people have only slightly less width in their hips(gotta be in shape), then their stance - especially with longer clubs will be a bit wider than your shoulders but not much - perhaps we'll say the insteps are on either side of your shoulders - having said that - wouldn't that put your knee somewhere outside your shoulder range, and who can stretch their neck out farther than their shoulders? no one. I'm sure they're other wierd descriptions on how to get into the proper position but I had a hard time reading past the first few posts due to them

[funkyfedora]

this might help a lil...

 

http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/index.php?sh...&hl=dipping

[smoothswinging14]

hello friend. I saw this video shortly after reading your old post...thought i'd share this with u. i think the tip on getting the reverse K position very good.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXZZzA2CyyU

[Vince.Cole]

I just started setting up with a reverse K because of a nice video I saw from Dan Whitaker (dfw1500) and it absolutely improved my irons!

questions

1. Would setting up with a reverse-k make my shoulder line closed? and if so, is that okay? I was hitting everything pure with a slight draw and misses being a 30 yard hook

2. Will I have to change my ball position? I currently use the constant ball position inch off my left heel

thanks

[SunkTheBirdie]

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[size=4]Would setting up with a reverse-k make my shoulder line closed? [/quote][/size]
[size=4]Nope.[/size]

[size=4][quote]Will I have to change my ball position? I currently use the constant ball position inch off my left heel. [/size][size=4][/quote][/size]
[size=4]Nope.[/size]

[Vince.Cole]

is there any touring pros that set up with a reverse-k? Its working great for me and am curious if there are any touring pros using this method.

[Vince.Cole]

Thought I share this picture i found of touring pros and their setup positions.

[V-twin]

I set up with the club in my right hand only then take my grip with left do this in front of a mirror and you will see the tilt you are trying to achieve.

[hardboiled]

I find turning my right foot anti-clockwise (RH golfer) helps me kick my right knee in and makes setting up the reverse k easier.

[Vince.Cole]

Setting up with a reverse-k has eliminated my lateral slide to the right on my backswing.

Who else thinks reverse K setup is a lost art and how come its not taught as much as it used to be?

[jurr80]

I am definitely at a loss as to why this isn't taught more.

I was at a range watching a lesson from a supposedly great teacher, and he was putting a kid into a straight hip alignment, then cheered as the kid made contact from one back wrenching reverse C to the next.

It seems like the pros that I read from that truly understand human anatomy prefer the reverse K position.
It just makes too much anatomical sense.

I don't know if it's the fact that people tend to overcook the tilts, which makes their swing look crazy?
Is it the fact that the angles of the pivot are a little different than some pros?
Do the teachers just think that "I wasn't taught this way, so to hell with it?"

I enjoy seeing more pros nowadays getting that left knee bent more in towards the ball.
Out of sheer compassion for the longevity of their bodies, I love seeing the total dead hip turn of McLean's x-factor methodology going away.

I think the reverse k will keep creeping back into golf.
It just makes too much anatomical sense not to.

[russc1597187869]

Mr Edwin's description is a good one,even though Slicefixer suggests a different method of achieving it..Slicefixer suggest using the reverse k with short wedges .As the clubs become progressively longer ,the reverse k should completely disappear.With a driver the reverse k setup has long gone.Because the reverse k setup places more weight on your left foot at setup and because it also puts your left leg very close to your left pivot point,it is ideal for short iron and wedges

[sblack5]

Because most people and more than a few teachers take for granted that standing over a ball with x amount of weight on this foot and y amount on that foot isn't necessarily ADDRESSING the ball in a consistent and correct manner. People are instant gratification nowadays and being nitpicky and taking slow controlled swings so that you can ingrain something and paying attention to consistency before you hit a shot is frankly something that the guy at the driving range with the 75 ball bucket once every other month and the latest $400 driver being the only club he practices with is NOT going to be interested in learning and doing.

Also, a lot of people teaching now......not all mind you...but a lot that will take your cash for a lesson were never taught the reverse k themselves

[mizman87]

absolutely love the reverse K set up. Started having lessons with my local pro late last year and I have dropped from 21 to 9 in that time. Has brought consistency and confidence to my swing and it is reliable to deliver what I want out of each shot.

Having a looking at a few of the pictures of the pros above and I think I my have a little more angle than most as I really tuck my right side down and push my left hip towards the target. A big thing you need to look out for is to ensure you really get the angle in your spine and keep the angle throughout the swing, this is where I had troubles in the beginning but a later lesson taught me that by ensuring your left hip is higher than your right at address should deliver the correct angles.

I use this for all shots, even a slight tuck on my right side when putting which has delivered good results! obviously certain shots such as bunkers I cant really use it but where possible I will.

If anyone is considering this swing I highly recommend it and just be prepared to feel very very awkward in the beginning but keep with it and it will begin to deliver the results you want.

one negative is (and im not sure if this is true) but I have been told it takes 12-18 months to really perfect it and make it a natural swing but it certainly delivers enough results in a couple of months to keep you motivated with it!

[coops]

The above pics of pros is not a good way to show the reverse K setup, because all of them are setup for a driver - and due to the stance width and ball position the reverse k 'look' is not obvious... but in the good driver setups, you should still see the right hip lower than the left, roughly parallel to the shoulder line with the right below left shoulder.

Here's Dan Whitaker's youtube clip on setup which makes it clear - the rear view is especially revealing
[media=]http://youtu.be/QDa_K3RVKno[/media]

For me (after visiting Dan while in the UK) I need to concentrate when setting up on that right leg and really pay attention so that it feels and is angled inwards, which does also put pressure on the right instep.
Worth bearing in mind, if you usually suffer from the slide to the right (like me) then the correct pivot will get your right butt cheek moving TOWARD the target to your left and way more behind you ( away from target line) - it's going to FEEL like your hips and lower half are shifting to your left which is a very different feel, but if you video it you'll see all is well...


This one by Brady Riggs shows how to create space in backswing with a proper pivot (which is why you're using the reverse k setup).... and setting reverse k stylee will make a huge difference in preventing that hip slide he talks of...
[media=]http://youtu.be/WvOr5nNqYEw[/media]

[Vince.Cole]

[quote name='russc' timestamp='1358823670' post='6274217']
Mr Edwin's description is a good one,even though Slicefixer suggests a different method of achieving it..Slicefixer suggest using the reverse k with short wedges .As the clubs become progressively longer ,the reverse k should completely disappear.With a driver the reverse k setup has long gone.Because the reverse k setup places more weight on your left foot at setup and because it also puts your left leg very close to your left pivot point,it is ideal for short iron and wedges
[/quote]

Thanks for the great info. Could you describe how one should look at set up with Geoffs slicefixer for the driver? Any swing videos of a slicefixer driver swing would be great too, I had a hard time finding one. Always enjoy your insightful posts.