Miura / Miura MC-102

[nmk]

What is so great about them?

Hi All,

First of all, this thread is started not to bash Miura but I would like to understand more about these clubs because here in Holland, there is only one fitter carrying these clubs and the costs are just plain silly.

Okay, lately, I have some wonderful reviews about Miura MC-102 irons. Super thin top line, nice finish, soft feel, etc....

Now, the top brands of this world invests millions to figure ways out to make a better club head, at least this is what they say. Well, I have the AP2 and to me, they are substantially better (softer, forgiving, etc.) than anything I have ever hit so far (TM & Mizuno). I also know that these top companies do go to Mirua for forging as well because of the triple forging, grinding and all that quality stuff.

But the question is, wouldn't the more advanced technology of the big name clubs, despite the slightly lower quality, still be better than a much higher quality but old styled club such as the Miura?

Are these irons for serious ball strikers? or mid hcp players?

I did notice the lie on these clubs would be almost perfect for me considering the big name brands are all too upright. (I had to bend the daylights out of my AP2's, only only 2.5* flat)

The blade set looks fantastic but what about the price vs performance factor?

[golftech]

In one word 'FEEL'. I've played every major brand over the past 35 years and nothing has quite the same soft, solid, dense feel of my Miura CB-1006's or Miura forged Cleveland 588 wedges. It's hard to describe, but my set is very consistent in feel and performance from long irons through wedges. I'm sure the Nippon 1150's have something to do with that also.

[chinkwan]

I have owned MC101.. the predecessor to MC102.. I have tried all the big names including Mizzy Forged, Titleist and Endo Forged (Tourstage, Cally X-Forged, Epon etc..)

 

The Miuras feel denser and softer then the rest..

 

But keep in mind rahter you like the softer feel or firmer feel... Softer does not equal better for some players..

 

Too bad you are not able to try before purchase as that would be the best indicator.. what feels good to me might be too mushy for you...

[veepjr]

I just switched from CB201 to MC102 and I really like the look of them. The top line is very thin so it is like playing a low offset iron and the feel is very soft. In my opinion, iron technology does not change much like driver, shaft, and golf ball. It is true that most of top brands have invested a lot each year. But I think they are investing in marketing and try to convince golfers that the new model is better than the former one. In my experience, taylormade 300 forged and the new burner tp are equally difficult to hit and distance are same.

[claytonstoker21]

miura doesnt do any work for big companies(titleist, tm, callaway) they only do work for an individual, sergrio , ernie els and many more touring pros. the feel if great, a well struck ball is something that cannot be described. i'd say all of thier models are players clubs.with the right shaft combo they can be a golfers best friend

[bsc1872]

MC 102 are for handicapers I think Between 8-15. I have a set of Titlist AP2 on my work bench and the headweights are not exact. They should be 6-7 grams apart for the 1/2 shorter length between clubs I have some that are 3gr some that are 5gr and some that are 8.5grams. Shouldn't a major club company atleast be able to produce correct headweights? Miura is spot on and you can order desired headweights for different lengths. Quality is much higher and they will have better consistency in the heads which is why the best players in the world go to him. The feel is so much better than an OEM forged club and with these you can have the set custom built from scratch for you and not bought off the shelf.THE GOLF CLUB SHOULD FIT YOU NOT YOU FIT THE CLUB

[blackman]

Here is my view on this:

 

1. Quality

The Miura forging is definitly outstanding, the finish too.

As stated above the headweight is spot on. Sadly non of the big OEM folks is able to produce this level of accuracy for the mass market.

So you either end up with different weights within your set or with additional weight in the clubs. Whether you are prepared to spend 100 to 150 US per club for this type of quality or the Miura premium is a question everybody has to answer for himself.

 

2. Feel

at this level we talk about individual preferences.

From my point of view the Miuras have the best and most consistant feel of all clubs I ever used.

 

3. Miura 102

This is the high handicap iron set. Not my type of club, too big.

I prefer (and play) the blade set.

 

Overall:

For me the Miuras are well worth the money. I would recommend them to anyone who is looking for the perfect club.

Especially because you get them only from specialists exactly fitted to your needs (at least here in Europe). In case you would like to have the exact specifications from a high end OEM product, the price difference is not that big.

The best iron period !

[AltusBeliever]

Call me crazy- I own a set of CB 301s with steel shafts (Nippons) and a set of MC 102s with graphite shafts. Miura feel the best of any irons I have hit. The 301s are great clubs as are the 102s. The 102s offer a little more help but aren't necessarily for higher handicaps but certainly can be used for the less skilled player who wants a little more help. Please remember that lots of tour pros hit the Eye2 irons so no need to say one head is for this type of player more than another.

It is more a matter of confidence. I am currently leaning towards the smaller head as it makes me think I need to be more precise in my ballstriking-any trick that will work.

Believe me, very few people I play with have any idea that Miura are top of the heap. It is not an ego thing. I just like their feel and quality.

[nmk]

I am starting to think maybe I should have bought the Miura instead of the AP2s?

My set up is Regular Length & loft with 2.5* flat. The 4i, 7i ~ GW all work perfectly for me. But for some crazy reason, the 5i & 6i likes to pull a bit left....

I wonder, is it me or is it the club....

Will difference in head-weight create this issue or maybe the PX5.0 flighted is too soft for me because my SS is 78mph, right in between R & S and I selected R.

[nmk]

Here is my view on this:

 

1. Quality

The Miura forging is definitly outstanding, the finish too.

As stated above the headweight is spot on. Sadly non of the big OEM folks is able to produce this level of accuracy for the mass market.

So you either end up with different weights within your set or with additional weight in the clubs. Whether you are prepared to spend 100 to 150 US per club for this type of quality or the Miura premium is a question everybody has to answer for himself.

 

2. Feel

at this level we talk about individual preferences.

From my point of view the Miuras have the best and most consistant feel of all clubs I ever used.

 

3. Miura 102

This is the high handicap iron set. Not my type of club, too big.

I prefer (and play) the blade set.

 

Overall:

For me the Miuras are well worth the money. I would recommend them to anyone who is looking for the perfect club.

Especially because you get them only from specialists exactly fitted to your needs (at least here in Europe). In case you would like to have the exact specifications from a high end OEM product, the price difference is not that big.

The best iron period !

 

 

I live in Holland and there is on custom fitter who charges 250 Euros per club! This is double of what i paid for my AP2s.... that is a lot of bucks...

[Jack aMMo]

Get in touch with Chip Usher of C&L. Have it delivered to someone you know in the States then have them sent over to EU.

 

GL.

[Skai NinJa]

Ebay has great sales right now.

[Goopher]

I am starting to think maybe I should have bought the Miura instead of the AP2s?

My set up is Regular Length & loft with 2.5* flat. The 4i, 7i ~ GW all work perfectly for me. But for some crazy reason, the 5i & 6i likes to pull a bit left....

I wonder, is it me or is it the club....

Will difference in head-weight create this issue or maybe the PX5.0 flighted is too soft for me because my SS is 78mph, right in between R & S and I selected R.

if you are a half decent player (sounds like you are) ... get the lie of your clubs fitted and adjusted individually ... not the same change for every club.

 

The standard loft and lie increments do not necessarily work and produce the best results for every player

[nmk]

I am starting to think maybe I should have bought the Miura instead of the AP2s?

My set up is Regular Length & loft with 2.5* flat. The 4i, 7i ~ GW all work perfectly for me. But for some crazy reason, the 5i & 6i likes to pull a bit left....

I wonder, is it me or is it the club....

Will difference in head-weight create this issue or maybe the PX5.0 flighted is too soft for me because my SS is 78mph, right in between R & S and I selected R.

if you are a half decent player (sounds like you are) ... get the lie of your clubs fitted and adjusted individually ... not the same change for every club.

 

The standard loft and lie increments do not necessarily work and produce the best results for every player

 

 

hi Goopher,

You know, that is so interesting what you say! I got all my irons lie adjusted and i can swear my 5 & 6i are pulling a bit left whereas the 4i, 7~GW are spot on!

Maybe I should get the 5 & 6 pulled a bit more flat. Strange!

Regards,

Walter

[NiftyNiblick]

I was perfectly happy with my relatively new Wishon 770CFE clubs which, fit properly, are as playable for me as anything on the market. But the Miura MC-102s are so beautiful that I treated myself to a set to celebrate my retirement. I just wanted something extra special, and for all I know, they may well be the last irons that I ever buy. If I live long enough to wear them out, the Wishons are almost like new.

 

As for playability, the MC-102s have the same Aldila shafts as my 770CFEs, and I can't discern any difference in how they play in the few rounds that I've played with them. But they absolutely ooze class, not to anybody else--who stares at other people's clubs?--but to me. They're like a reward for surviving fifty seasons of golf beginning when I was thirteen.

[nmk]

Sounds great, congratulations to you! I am now seriously looking into the Miura but at Euro 250 per club, it is quite steep and I will probably hold the set for 5 years before I change again...

[veepjr]

250 euro per club is too expensive. I think you should buy from other sources like chipandputt, Joe Kwok, or ebay stores. It should be around $1,200-$1,400.

[nmk]

Prices are stupid here in Holland. I paid 125 euros per club for my AP2 (4 ~ GW) & 129 euro for a Vokey....

I should've been more patient and had my parents ship a standard set to me but at the time I wasn't sure about the lie and length.... bummer pee wee....

[Viking Golfer]

I am starting to think maybe I should have bought the Miura instead of the AP2s?

My set up is Regular Length & loft with 2.5* flat. The 4i, 7i ~ GW all work perfectly for me. But for some crazy reason, the 5i & 6i likes to pull a bit left....

I wonder, is it me or is it the club....

Will difference in head-weight create this issue or maybe the PX5.0 flighted is too soft for me because my SS is 78mph, right in between R & S and I selected R.

if you are a half decent player (sounds like you are) ... get the lie of your clubs fitted and adjusted individually ... not the same change for every club.

 

The standard loft and lie increments do not necessarily work and produce the best results for every player

 

 

hi Goopher,

You know, that is so interesting what you say! I got all my irons lie adjusted and i can swear my 5 & 6i are pulling a bit left whereas the 4i, 7~GW are spot on!

Maybe I should get the 5 & 6 pulled a bit more flat. Strange!

Regards,

Walter

 

We're all different persons with different built and size and shape of swings - so of course you should have your lie and lofts checked at least once a year :)

 

I personally prefer my longer irons to be 2° upright in lie, while my shorter irons are only 1° upright in lie. I play my wedges with standard lie. Used to play with the same specs throughout the set - but now have to agree that my current custom specs work better for me :good:

 

Regarding Miura irons. I'm from Denmark and buy all my Miura stuff from guys from the US. You literally save several $100's - I saved more than $350 on my set of Miura Cb-202 compared to outrageous Danish prices :ok:

 

I'm actually looking into buying a combo of Mc-102 5-7 and then Cb-202 8-PW.

I only play once a week currently and need a bit more forgiveness in my 5 and 6 iron.

 

You never go wrong with Miura - maybe the design is a bit outdated, but as stated, iron design really is not where the big money is placed unless you talk about super huge forgiving irons for high cappers. Miura have a tight tolerance, high precision, great built quality and they looks great in your bag. As you mention, they have no brag factor to other golfers unless they are club ho's - your average golfer Joe won't know the first thing about what Miura is.

[Puhi]

Prices are stupid here in Holland. I paid 125 euros per club for my AP2 (4 ~ GW) & 129 euro for a Vokey....

I should've been more patient and had my parents ship a standard set to me but at the time I wasn't sure about the lie and length.... bummer pee wee....

 

Why dont you fly low cost to London (10 EUR - 40 EUR), get fitted for miura and order them there. Its EU - no customs and prices in GBP are much below 250eur per club.

 

Regards,

Roman

[veepjr]

I think you can ask any Miura online dealers to build it as close as your AP2 spec. However, the 102 blade is a bit larger than AP2, so you might have to consider CB 202 as well if you want smaller blade. For me, I took 102 PW out and replace it with my old CB-201 PW.

[nmk]

I think you can ask any Miura online dealers to build it as close as your AP2 spec. However, the 102 blade is a bit larger than AP2, so you might have to consider CB 202 as well if you want smaller blade. For me, I took 102 PW out and replace it with my old CB-201 PW.

 

 

The 102 are blades? I thought they were the combo.

the Blade is a gorgeous set but I don't think I will have fun playing them....

Regardless, I really like the looks of the 202 but I don't know how they play. I don't really care for the 102's looks....

 

Which set is comparable to the AP2's in playability? The 202's?

 

thanks

[joey3108]

Prices are stupid here in Holland. I paid 125 euros per club for my AP2 (4 ~ GW) & 129 euro for a Vokey....

I should've been more patient and had my parents ship a standard set to me but at the time I wasn't sure about the lie and length.... bummer pee wee....

 

Collect your friends and buy 5 sets package from me and I'll flew to Schiphol and deliver them my self. I'll hang out to see friends and relatives around Amsterdam and Naaldwijk after that :) It's about time for me to visit them. :)

 

Pay agreeable fee to your local shop that has enough tools for me to work on them and I'll build it there according to all your specs on the spot. I might even give you some pointers! ;)

 

Dank u wel!

Joe

[veepjr]

Sorry I think I use a wrong word. 102 is a medium size cavity back with progressive offset while 202 is small cavity back with less offset than 102. 102 head size is a little bit larger than AP2 (it is like 704CB) but due to thin top line, it doesn't look big at all. Since I've never hit 202 and AP2 before, I can not compare playability between the two. However I do own 201, so I will compare between 201 and 102 instead. Feel and distant are same, while 102 has more forgiveness than 201 (but very little). I prefer the look of 102 because it has thinner topline and rounder toe than 201. CB 202 is an improvement of 201 so it should be rounder than 201 as well. In my opinion, if you like small cavity back you should go with CB202 and you will never went back to OEM again.

[Eddie]

Alot has already been covered, but one thing about miura irons.

 

They are not the softest feeling irons in the world, I think the term soft is a misnomer.

 

I like my miuras because the feel/sound at impact is not mushy soft, but like a solid thud. It's hard to describe but it's a great sensation.

 

The AP2s, are soft. They feel extremely soft, but it is more due to the tungsten weighting.

 

I had these two irons side by side for about 2 hours on a launch monitor, and for some reason, with project x in both, I spun the crap out of the ap2s. Spin isn't bad, but had such high spin, that into the wind, I had ballooning.

 

My conclusion was that the ap2s feel very soft, but almost artificially soft, while the miura feels like a pure thump.

 

People have different tastes, hence why there are hundreds of set to choose from.

 

Every decent ballstriker that has hit my irons shares my sentiments.

[joey3108]

AP2 soft feel and sound are coming from the rubber insert in the cavity to compensate made of soft stainless steel IMO!

 

AP2 is a higher hitting club ( lower CG design ), more bounce angle, more blunted leading edge, wider sole, deeper cavity and slightly larger head compare to CB202...basically bigger perimeter weighting design. Low ball hitter will love AP2 for them to get some help on their trajectory.

 

Joe

[nmk]

I currently play the AP2s with PX 5.0 flighted. The 4i launches easily but as it has been mentioned, the 8, 9, P & G are just in the stratosphere. I also do notice even with the 6i, my ball flight is with a slight draw and pretty much lands and sits, even with cheap range balls. Yes, I guess the spin rate is definitely up there. I always attributed this to the Flighted PX but I guess the low CG from the AP2s can do it as well.

I am now really curious about the Miuras! I like the soft feel but I also like a solid feel on impact. I don't know if I can keep the ball flight lower, I guess I'll have to go hit a few at the Miura dealer here in NL.

Thanks Joe for the offer but to find 4 others here in NL wanting a set of Miuras will be difficult. We have folks here who swears by the 100 Euro sets they get in some shop and the 4 euro per dozen Super Distance Balls..... But then again, the local Miura guy says he is busier than ever!