Is Anthony Kim, nearly as good as Kenny Perry?

[SDGolfing]

Guys he is in his 3rd season as a professional. Statistics say you don't hit your peak until your early 30s and AK has 10 more years til he is 33. We will see how good he is in 20 years and I'm guess he will have many more wins that Kenny Perry. I would also disagree with saying he only hits a fade. I watched him a small draw for virtually the entire 9 holes I watched him play unless a fade was needed. Can't argue records for someone 23 vs. someone who is 47

 

Well, maybe so, but once upon a time we would have been saying "Ty Tryon is going to eat Kenny Perry's lunch, and then have him kicked out of the country club." The thing is, you can't take anything away from the guys who have already done it. Kenny Perry is a total class act and a GREAT player. I think he is going to go down as a bit of Bruce Lietzske type of golfer: "If only he wanted to beat everybody senseless every week...." He just doesn't seem to be that kind of guy, but I kind of wish he was.

 

But what I will say is that Kim seems to have a bit of that going on, so that might be really good for the next few years.

 

My '02

 

 

 

Comparing Ty Tryon to Anthony Kim is like comparing Michael J Fox to Meagen Fox. Last I checked the only way Tryon made the Ryder Cup was in a video game.

[rankoutsider]

Guys he is in his 3rd season as a professional. Statistics say you don't hit your peak until your early 30s and AK has 10 more years til he is 33. We will see how good he is in 20 years and I'm guess he will have many more wins that Kenny Perry. I would also disagree with saying he only hits a fade. I watched him a small draw for virtually the entire 9 holes I watched him play unless a fade was needed. Can't argue records for someone 23 vs. someone who is 47

 

Well, maybe so, but once upon a time we would have been saying "Ty Tryon is going to eat Kenny Perry's lunch, and then have him kicked out of the country club." The thing is, you can't take anything away from the guys who have already done it. Kenny Perry is a total class act and a GREAT player. I think he is going to go down as a bit of Bruce Lietzske type of golfer: "If only he wanted to beat everybody senseless every week...." He just doesn't seem to be that kind of guy, but I kind of wish he was.

 

But what I will say is that Kim seems to have a bit of that going on, so that might be really good for the next few years.

 

My '02

 

 

 

Comparing Ty Tryon to Anthony Kim is like comparing Michael J Fox to Meagen Fox. Last I checked the only way Tryon made the Ryder Cup was in a video game.

 

 

Well, you can compare them, just like you can compare a tennis ball and the planet Mars, since both are round. What I was talking about in both cases was a golfer whose hype (here we are calling it potential, but it is hype) has far exceeded his performance (at least so far). I think people are hyping Kim a bit too much too early, and that is all I said. I think the same thing happened with Ty Tryon.

 

To put it another way, comparing someone like Kim with a guy like Perry makes little sense in my view, give the lifetime earnings and longevity of career of the latter. Kim is a very exciting player to watch, but he has a long way to go before the comparison makes any sense.

 

R

[rtk90]

i think everyone is looking at this the wrong way... and that is who can CURRENTLY challenge TW... i mean it doesnt matter whats gonna happen 20 yrs down the road yet... right now when tiger comes back KP has a better chance than AK to become his rival and give him a run for his money... AK is simply too young and has too much to learn about being on tour... KP is a vet and knows his game...

 

bottom line were talking about who is better in 2009 not 2229... well see what happens then... not now...

[SDGolfing]

Guys he is in his 3rd season as a professional. Statistics say you don't hit your peak until your early 30s and AK has 10 more years til he is 33. We will see how good he is in 20 years and I'm guess he will have many more wins that Kenny Perry. I would also disagree with saying he only hits a fade. I watched him a small draw for virtually the entire 9 holes I watched him play unless a fade was needed. Can't argue records for someone 23 vs. someone who is 47

 

Well, maybe so, but once upon a time we would have been saying "Ty Tryon is going to eat Kenny Perry's lunch, and then have him kicked out of the country club." The thing is, you can't take anything away from the guys who have already done it. Kenny Perry is a total class act and a GREAT player. I think he is going to go down as a bit of Bruce Lietzske type of golfer: "If only he wanted to beat everybody senseless every week...." He just doesn't seem to be that kind of guy, but I kind of wish he was.

 

But what I will say is that Kim seems to have a bit of that going on, so that might be really good for the next few years.

 

My '02

 

 

 

Comparing Ty Tryon to Anthony Kim is like comparing Michael J Fox to Meagen Fox. Last I checked the only way Tryon made the Ryder Cup was in a video game.

 

 

Well, you can compare them, just like you can compare a tennis ball and the planet Mars, since both are round. What I was talking about in both cases was a golfer whose hype (here we are calling it potential, but it is hype) has far exceeded his performance (at least so far). I think people are hyping Kim a bit too much too early, and that is all I said. I think the same thing happened with Ty Tryon.

 

To put it another way, comparing someone like Kim with a guy like Perry makes little sense in my view, give the lifetime earnings and longevity of career of the latter. Kim is a very exciting player to watch, but he has a long way to go before the comparison makes any sense.

 

R

 

 

 

 

If you asked Azinger who would have been his pick AK or Perry if he had to choose who do you think he would have taken? Do you think in Tiger's mind he would be more worried about AK or Perry in a major?

 

Again, you have to play in the majors to contend.

[Dr. Bombay]

Food for thought.....

 

This is not a slam on AK, rather an observation that KP is a better player then many give him credit for. He now has 10 wins since turning 40, a half dozen since 2005, the year he turned 45. He has more then $27 million in official earnings, placing him well inside the top 10 all time. He has been one of the best drivers of the ball for 20+ years. His putting has gone from below average to average. At the end of the day he has had quite a career for a journeyman with a home made swing.

 

def'n - 'journeyman' - an experienced and competent but undistinguished worker

 

with all the things you list above I don't know how he could be referred to as a "journeyman"?!?

 

- 13 tour wins over 18 years (including Memorial in '91 and again in '08)

- 2 Ryder Cup and 3 President's Cup appearances

- $28mm+ in official earnings (and a lot more in other tourneys)

 

one guy said "he picks his courses real well" inferring that he only wins on courses where a draw works....pretty sure Jack Nicklaus is known for designing courses that strongly favor a high fade? so 2 Memorial wins blows that argument up.

 

also won at Colonial which is short and tight and requires a lot of "working" of the golf ball. won Bob Hope Desert Classic which is a birdiefest. sounds to me like he's perfectly capable of winning on any golf course.

 

sounds like a star at a minimum... (assuming superstar status reserved for major winners)

 

Kenny Perry is a great golfer. However, his tournament wins have been on golf courses that number one suit his game and number two have weak fields. The number one word you have to look at in this debate is "potential". AK has the potential to be a dominant force in this game. When I say dominant I mean multiple major wins against the worlds elite. Let us not forget it is quite hard for Kenny Perry to win majors when...HE WONT EVEN PLAY IN THEM!!!! How can you have one of your best years on tour and not even give yourself a shot? Why? Because you know you cannot win. People do not skip golf tournaments they know they can win. You brought up Jack right? How many Majors did he skip? You think ALL those golf courses were designed for him? He knew he could win no matter the course. Let me ask a better question. Who's career is more impressive...Tom Lehman or Kenny Perry? I will take Lehman's all day everyday. British Open and Tour Championship are not the shell houston open my friend.

 

Biggest point....10 years from now you will think of Kenny Perry and be like uhhhh who? And AK will have 3-4 majors.

 

Answer....AK.

 

you must suffer from ADD...pay close attention here:

 

1. I agree that AK will probably be a superstar and he def has the potential to win multiple majors -- if you read my post closely (tough with ADD) you'll see I never even mention AK.

 

2. you're suitable courses argument is ludicrous. Muirfield is Jack's crown jewel -- Jack designs courses that fit his style, the high fade -- Kenny has won twice there. the top-6 money winners in the history of The Memorial are in order: Tiger, Freddie, Ernie, Kenny, Furyk and Vijay...pretty elite company there. fader's course - 2 wins for Kenny - end of story.

 

3. now for your weak field argument. 2 wins Memorial, 2 wins Colonial, 1 win Bay Hill. you think those tourney's have weak fields?? not. right there KP has the same number of wins as Tom Lehman. Lehman is a nice guy but he's way over-rated. I take KP, and Jay Haas, and Scott Hoch, and a whole host of others careers over Lehman.

 

4. the whole intent of my post was to illustrate that Kenny is a star, not a "journeyman".

 

got it?

[SDGolfing]

Food for thought.....

 

This is not a slam on AK, rather an observation that KP is a better player then many give him credit for. He now has 10 wins since turning 40, a half dozen since 2005, the year he turned 45. He has more then $27 million in official earnings, placing him well inside the top 10 all time. He has been one of the best drivers of the ball for 20+ years. His putting has gone from below average to average. At the end of the day he has had quite a career for a journeyman with a home made swing.

 

def'n - 'journeyman' - an experienced and competent but undistinguished worker

 

with all the things you list above I don't know how he could be referred to as a "journeyman"?!?

 

- 13 tour wins over 18 years (including Memorial in '91 and again in '08)

- 2 Ryder Cup and 3 President's Cup appearances

- $28mm+ in official earnings (and a lot more in other tourneys)

 

one guy said "he picks his courses real well" inferring that he only wins on courses where a draw works....pretty sure Jack Nicklaus is known for designing courses that strongly favor a high fade? so 2 Memorial wins blows that argument up.

 

also won at Colonial which is short and tight and requires a lot of "working" of the golf ball. won Bob Hope Desert Classic which is a birdiefest. sounds to me like he's perfectly capable of winning on any golf course.

 

sounds like a star at a minimum... (assuming superstar status reserved for major winners)

 

Kenny Perry is a great golfer. However, his tournament wins have been on golf courses that number one suit his game and number two have weak fields. The number one word you have to look at in this debate is "potential". AK has the potential to be a dominant force in this game. When I say dominant I mean multiple major wins against the worlds elite. Let us not forget it is quite hard for Kenny Perry to win majors when...HE WONT EVEN PLAY IN THEM!!!! How can you have one of your best years on tour and not even give yourself a shot? Why? Because you know you cannot win. People do not skip golf tournaments they know they can win. You brought up Jack right? How many Majors did he skip? You think ALL those golf courses were designed for him? He knew he could win no matter the course. Let me ask a better question. Who's career is more impressive...Tom Lehman or Kenny Perry? I will take Lehman's all day everyday. British Open and Tour Championship are not the shell houston open my friend.

 

Biggest point....10 years from now you will think of Kenny Perry and be like uhhhh who? And AK will have 3-4 majors.

 

Answer....AK.

 

you must suffer from ADD...pay close attention here:

 

1. I agree that AK will probably be a superstar and he def has the potential to win multiple majors -- if you read my post closely (tough with ADD) you'll see I never even mention AK.

 

2. you're suitable courses argument is ludicrous. Muirfield is Jack's crown jewel -- Jack designs courses that fit his style, the high fade -- Kenny has won twice there. the top-6 money winners in the history of The Memorial are in order: Tiger, Freddie, Ernie, Kenny, Furyk and Vijay...pretty elite company there. fader's course - 2 wins for Kenny - end of story.

 

3. now for your weak field argument. 2 wins Memorial, 2 wins Colonial, 1 win Bay Hill. you think those tourney's have weak fields?? not. right there KP has the same number of wins as Tom Lehman. Lehman is a nice guy but he's way over-rated. I take KP, and Jay Haas, and Scott Hoch, and a whole host of others careers over Lehman.

 

4. the whole intent of my post was to illustrate that Kenny is a star, not a "journeyman".

 

got it?

 

Relax bud. Perhaps you suffer from not being able to digest opinion outside of your own. I will take a british open and a tour championship knowing i beat the BEST in the world on a grand stage over a colonial or the memorial and guess what so would just about any player in the top 10. They play for the majors.

 

I refuse to call someone a star that will not even play in majors. Do you think you would see Tom Brady sit out a super bowl? Kobe Bryant sit out an NBA final? No.

 

got it?

[rankoutsider]

I haven't agreed with SD up until now, but he definitely has a point here. Perry really has to play all the Majors to give himself a shot at shedding the "great golfer, but ...." thing that comes with not winning one. He can win any of them, in my view, and should be in the field.

 

And by the way, Kim is one helluva talent, no doubt about it. I don't think there is a doubt he will win Majors one day.

[smoothswinging14]

AK's ballstriking and swing are one of the best. KP can score, but his swing is not as solid in my opinion. I feel AK will finish this year better than KP.

[Yuck]

AK's ballstriking and swing are one of the best. KP can score, but his swing is not as solid in my opinion. I feel AK will finish this year better than KP.

 

 

 

KP hits more greens, drives it just as long, but more accurately. The stats would say KP is the superior ball striker. I will agree with you that AK's swing is prettier.

[Dr. Bombay]

Food for thought.....

 

This is not a slam on AK, rather an observation that KP is a better player then many give him credit for. He now has 10 wins since turning 40, a half dozen since 2005, the year he turned 45. He has more then $27 million in official earnings, placing him well inside the top 10 all time. He has been one of the best drivers of the ball for 20+ years. His putting has gone from below average to average. At the end of the day he has had quite a career for a journeyman with a home made swing.

 

def'n - 'journeyman' - an experienced and competent but undistinguished worker

 

with all the things you list above I don't know how he could be referred to as a "journeyman"?!?

 

- 13 tour wins over 18 years (including Memorial in '91 and again in '08)

- 2 Ryder Cup and 3 President's Cup appearances

- $28mm+ in official earnings (and a lot more in other tourneys)

 

one guy said "he picks his courses real well" inferring that he only wins on courses where a draw works....pretty sure Jack Nicklaus is known for designing courses that strongly favor a high fade? so 2 Memorial wins blows that argument up.

 

also won at Colonial which is short and tight and requires a lot of "working" of the golf ball. won Bob Hope Desert Classic which is a birdiefest. sounds to me like he's perfectly capable of winning on any golf course.

 

sounds like a star at a minimum... (assuming superstar status reserved for major winners)

 

Kenny Perry is a great golfer. However, his tournament wins have been on golf courses that number one suit his game and number two have weak fields. The number one word you have to look at in this debate is "potential". AK has the potential to be a dominant force in this game. When I say dominant I mean multiple major wins against the worlds elite. Let us not forget it is quite hard for Kenny Perry to win majors when...HE WONT EVEN PLAY IN THEM!!!! How can you have one of your best years on tour and not even give yourself a shot? Why? Because you know you cannot win. People do not skip golf tournaments they know they can win. You brought up Jack right? How many Majors did he skip? You think ALL those golf courses were designed for him? He knew he could win no matter the course. Let me ask a better question. Who's career is more impressive...Tom Lehman or Kenny Perry? I will take Lehman's all day everyday. British Open and Tour Championship are not the shell houston open my friend.

 

Biggest point....10 years from now you will think of Kenny Perry and be like uhhhh who? And AK will have 3-4 majors.

 

Answer....AK.

 

you must suffer from ADD...pay close attention here:

 

1. I agree that AK will probably be a superstar and he def has the potential to win multiple majors -- if you read my post closely (tough with ADD) you'll see I never even mention AK.

 

2. you're suitable courses argument is ludicrous. Muirfield is Jack's crown jewel -- Jack designs courses that fit his style, the high fade -- Kenny has won twice there. the top-6 money winners in the history of The Memorial are in order: Tiger, Freddie, Ernie, Kenny, Furyk and Vijay...pretty elite company there. fader's course - 2 wins for Kenny - end of story.

 

3. now for your weak field argument. 2 wins Memorial, 2 wins Colonial, 1 win Bay Hill. you think those tourney's have weak fields?? not. right there KP has the same number of wins as Tom Lehman. Lehman is a nice guy but he's way over-rated. I take KP, and Jay Haas, and Scott Hoch, and a whole host of others careers over Lehman.

 

4. the whole intent of my post was to illustrate that Kenny is a star, not a "journeyman".

 

got it?

 

Relax bud. Perhaps you suffer from not being able to digest opinion outside of your own. I will take a british open and a tour championship knowing i beat the BEST in the world on a grand stage over a colonial or the memorial and guess what so would just about any player in the top 10. They play for the majors.

 

I refuse to call someone a star that will not even play in majors. Do you think you would see Tom Brady sit out a super bowl? Kobe Bryant sit out an NBA final? No.

 

got it?

 

dude, go back and do some research about the quality of the top-100 players in the field at Bay Hill, The Players, and the four majors. over the course of the 90's on average Bay Hill was one of the top4 events on ALL Tours -- INCLUDING the majors. I was only running a tour event in the 90's, but I bet Bay Hill still compares favorably from '00 on as well...but what do I know. DO THE WORK! check and see how many of the top-100 played Bay Hill vs. ALL the majors and the players.

 

in addition, rather than generalize, which seems to be a strong point for you, why don't you go back and do some research about how many majors Kenny has been eligible for vs. how many he's actually played in -- ok? he skipped one recently because his MAIN goal was to play on the current Ryder Cup team and by his calculations skipping the British gave him the best chance of being on that team.

 

again, HOW MANY MAJORS HAS HE MISSED THAT HE HAS BEEN ELIGIBLE FOR?? please tell us specifically -- DO THE WORK. WHAT IS THE ANSWER???

 

bro, I am totally open to any and all opinions...the opinion I gave was that Kenny is a STAR -- and that's all. as I said, "superstar" status is reserved for major winners, no doubt. but Lehman is in the "fluke" major class with Lawrie and Micheel...and TL's playoff record is 0-3. Rich Beem is a better player than Tom Lehman.

 

focus here...

[SDGolfing]

Food for thought.....

 

This is not a slam on AK, rather an observation that KP is a better player then many give him credit for. He now has 10 wins since turning 40, a half dozen since 2005, the year he turned 45. He has more then $27 million in official earnings, placing him well inside the top 10 all time. He has been one of the best drivers of the ball for 20+ years. His putting has gone from below average to average. At the end of the day he has had quite a career for a journeyman with a home made swing.

 

def'n - 'journeyman' - an experienced and competent but undistinguished worker

 

with all the things you list above I don't know how he could be referred to as a "journeyman"?!?

 

- 13 tour wins over 18 years (including Memorial in '91 and again in '08)

- 2 Ryder Cup and 3 President's Cup appearances

- $28mm+ in official earnings (and a lot more in other tourneys)

 

one guy said "he picks his courses real well" inferring that he only wins on courses where a draw works....pretty sure Jack Nicklaus is known for designing courses that strongly favor a high fade? so 2 Memorial wins blows that argument up.

 

also won at Colonial which is short and tight and requires a lot of "working" of the golf ball. won Bob Hope Desert Classic which is a birdiefest. sounds to me like he's perfectly capable of winning on any golf course.

 

sounds like a star at a minimum... (assuming superstar status reserved for major winners)

 

Kenny Perry is a great golfer. However, his tournament wins have been on golf courses that number one suit his game and number two have weak fields. The number one word you have to look at in this debate is "potential". AK has the potential to be a dominant force in this game. When I say dominant I mean multiple major wins against the worlds elite. Let us not forget it is quite hard for Kenny Perry to win majors when...HE WONT EVEN PLAY IN THEM!!!! How can you have one of your best years on tour and not even give yourself a shot? Why? Because you know you cannot win. People do not skip golf tournaments they know they can win. You brought up Jack right? How many Majors did he skip? You think ALL those golf courses were designed for him? He knew he could win no matter the course. Let me ask a better question. Who's career is more impressive...Tom Lehman or Kenny Perry? I will take Lehman's all day everyday. British Open and Tour Championship are not the shell houston open my friend.

 

Biggest point....10 years from now you will think of Kenny Perry and be like uhhhh who? And AK will have 3-4 majors.

 

Answer....AK.

 

you must suffer from ADD...pay close attention here:

 

1. I agree that AK will probably be a superstar and he def has the potential to win multiple majors -- if you read my post closely (tough with ADD) you'll see I never even mention AK.

 

2. you're suitable courses argument is ludicrous. Muirfield is Jack's crown jewel -- Jack designs courses that fit his style, the high fade -- Kenny has won twice there. the top-6 money winners in the history of The Memorial are in order: Tiger, Freddie, Ernie, Kenny, Furyk and Vijay...pretty elite company there. fader's course - 2 wins for Kenny - end of story.

 

3. now for your weak field argument. 2 wins Memorial, 2 wins Colonial, 1 win Bay Hill. you think those tourney's have weak fields?? not. right there KP has the same number of wins as Tom Lehman. Lehman is a nice guy but he's way over-rated. I take KP, and Jay Haas, and Scott Hoch, and a whole host of others careers over Lehman.

 

4. the whole intent of my post was to illustrate that Kenny is a star, not a "journeyman".

 

got it?

 

Relax bud. Perhaps you suffer from not being able to digest opinion outside of your own. I will take a british open and a tour championship knowing i beat the BEST in the world on a grand stage over a colonial or the memorial and guess what so would just about any player in the top 10. They play for the majors.

 

I refuse to call someone a star that will not even play in majors. Do you think you would see Tom Brady sit out a super bowl? Kobe Bryant sit out an NBA final? No.

 

got it?

 

dude, go back and do some research about the quality of the top-100 players in the field at Bay Hill, The Players, and the four majors. over the course of the 90's on average Bay Hill was one of the top4 events on ALL Tours -- INCLUDING the majors. I was only running a tour event in the 90's, but I bet Bay Hill still compares favorably from '00 on as well...but what do I know. DO THE WORK! check and see how many of the top-100 played Bay Hill vs. ALL the majors and the players.

 

in addition, rather than generalize, which seems to be a strong point for you, why don't you go back and do some research about how many majors Kenny has been eligible for vs. how many he's actually played in -- ok? he skipped one recently because his MAIN goal was to play on the current Ryder Cup team and by his calculations skipping the British gave him the best chance of being on that team.

 

again, HOW MANY MAJORS HAS HE MISSED THAT HE HAS BEEN ELIGIBLE FOR?? please tell us specifically -- DO THE WORK. WHAT IS THE ANSWER???

 

bro, I am totally open to any and all opinions...the opinion I gave was that Kenny is a STAR -- and that's all. as I said, "superstar" status is reserved for major winners, no doubt. but Lehman is in the "fluke" major class with Lawrie and Micheel...and TL's playoff record is 0-3. Rich Beem is a better player than Tom Lehman.

 

focus here...

 

I did some research for you and you now look pretty bad "dude". I suggest you go away now. Bay Hill is like the Lakers playing the Celtics tonight. It is a big game but it means nothing till the Playoffs. Notice how no one is agreeing with you. Perhaps you can tell us what DNP and CUT means? Since you like caps HES MADE THE CUT 4 TIMES AT THE BRITISH OPEN IN HIS CAREER!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

Tournament 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 The Masters DNP DNP CUT DNP DNP T12 CUT CUT DNP DNP U.S. Open DNP DNP DNP T25 DNP CUT T50 CUT DNP DNP The Open Championship DNP CUT DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP PGA Championship T49 77 DNP DNP T55 T49 2 T23 T10 T34 Tournament 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 The Masters DNP DNP CUT T39 CUT T29 DNP DNP DNP U.S. Open DNP DNP T45 T3 CUT T23 58 DNP DNP The Open Championship DNP DNP DNP T8 T16 T11 CUT DNP DNP PGA Championship T30 T44 T29 T10 CUT T23 T49 T23 WD

[Dr. Bombay]

Food for thought.....

 

This is not a slam on AK, rather an observation that KP is a better player then many give him credit for. He now has 10 wins since turning 40, a half dozen since 2005, the year he turned 45. He has more then $27 million in official earnings, placing him well inside the top 10 all time. He has been one of the best drivers of the ball for 20+ years. His putting has gone from below average to average. At the end of the day he has had quite a career for a journeyman with a home made swing.

 

def'n - 'journeyman' - an experienced and competent but undistinguished worker

 

with all the things you list above I don't know how he could be referred to as a "journeyman"?!?

 

- 13 tour wins over 18 years (including Memorial in '91 and again in '08)

- 2 Ryder Cup and 3 President's Cup appearances

- $28mm+ in official earnings (and a lot more in other tourneys)

 

one guy said "he picks his courses real well" inferring that he only wins on courses where a draw works....pretty sure Jack Nicklaus is known for designing courses that strongly favor a high fade? so 2 Memorial wins blows that argument up.

 

also won at Colonial which is short and tight and requires a lot of "working" of the golf ball. won Bob Hope Desert Classic which is a birdiefest. sounds to me like he's perfectly capable of winning on any golf course.

 

sounds like a star at a minimum... (assuming superstar status reserved for major winners)

 

Kenny Perry is a great golfer. However, his tournament wins have been on golf courses that number one suit his game and number two have weak fields. The number one word you have to look at in this debate is "potential". AK has the potential to be a dominant force in this game. When I say dominant I mean multiple major wins against the worlds elite. Let us not forget it is quite hard for Kenny Perry to win majors when...HE WONT EVEN PLAY IN THEM!!!! How can you have one of your best years on tour and not even give yourself a shot? Why? Because you know you cannot win. People do not skip golf tournaments they know they can win. You brought up Jack right? How many Majors did he skip? You think ALL those golf courses were designed for him? He knew he could win no matter the course. Let me ask a better question. Who's career is more impressive...Tom Lehman or Kenny Perry? I will take Lehman's all day everyday. British Open and Tour Championship are not the shell houston open my friend.

 

Biggest point....10 years from now you will think of Kenny Perry and be like uhhhh who? And AK will have 3-4 majors.

 

Answer....AK.

 

you must suffer from ADD...pay close attention here:

 

1. I agree that AK will probably be a superstar and he def has the potential to win multiple majors -- if you read my post closely (tough with ADD) you'll see I never even mention AK.

 

2. you're suitable courses argument is ludicrous. Muirfield is Jack's crown jewel -- Jack designs courses that fit his style, the high fade -- Kenny has won twice there. the top-6 money winners in the history of The Memorial are in order: Tiger, Freddie, Ernie, Kenny, Furyk and Vijay...pretty elite company there. fader's course - 2 wins for Kenny - end of story.

 

3. now for your weak field argument. 2 wins Memorial, 2 wins Colonial, 1 win Bay Hill. you think those tourney's have weak fields?? not. right there KP has the same number of wins as Tom Lehman. Lehman is a nice guy but he's way over-rated. I take KP, and Jay Haas, and Scott Hoch, and a whole host of others careers over Lehman.

 

4. the whole intent of my post was to illustrate that Kenny is a star, not a "journeyman".

 

got it?

 

Relax bud. Perhaps you suffer from not being able to digest opinion outside of your own. I will take a british open and a tour championship knowing i beat the BEST in the world on a grand stage over a colonial or the memorial and guess what so would just about any player in the top 10. They play for the majors.

 

I refuse to call someone a star that will not even play in majors. Do you think you would see Tom Brady sit out a super bowl? Kobe Bryant sit out an NBA final? No.

 

got it?

 

dude, go back and do some research about the quality of the top-100 players in the field at Bay Hill, The Players, and the four majors. over the course of the 90's on average Bay Hill was one of the top4 events on ALL Tours -- INCLUDING the majors. I was only running a tour event in the 90's, but I bet Bay Hill still compares favorably from '00 on as well...but what do I know. DO THE WORK! check and see how many of the top-100 played Bay Hill vs. ALL the majors and the players.

 

in addition, rather than generalize, which seems to be a strong point for you, why don't you go back and do some research about how many majors Kenny has been eligible for vs. how many he's actually played in -- ok? he skipped one recently because his MAIN goal was to play on the current Ryder Cup team and by his calculations skipping the British gave him the best chance of being on that team.

 

again, HOW MANY MAJORS HAS HE MISSED THAT HE HAS BEEN ELIGIBLE FOR?? please tell us specifically -- DO THE WORK. WHAT IS THE ANSWER???

 

bro, I am totally open to any and all opinions...the opinion I gave was that Kenny is a STAR -- and that's all. as I said, "superstar" status is reserved for major winners, no doubt. but Lehman is in the "fluke" major class with Lawrie and Micheel...and TL's playoff record is 0-3. Rich Beem is a better player than Tom Lehman.

 

focus here...

 

I did some research for you and you now look pretty bad "dude". I suggest you go away now. Bay Hill is like the Lakers playing the Celtics tonight. It is a big game but it means nothing till the Playoffs. Notice how no one is agreeing with you. Perhaps you can tell us what DNP and CUT means? Since you like caps HES MADE THE CUT 4 TIMES AT THE BRITISH OPEN IN HIS CAREER!!!!!!!!

 

 

 

Tournament 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 The Masters DNP DNP CUT DNP DNP T12 CUT CUT DNP DNP U.S. Open DNP DNP DNP T25 DNP CUT T50 CUT DNP DNP The Open Championship DNP CUT DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP DNP PGA Championship T49 77 DNP DNP T55 T49 2 T23 T10 T34 Tournament 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 The Masters DNP DNP CUT T39 CUT T29 DNP DNP DNP U.S. Open DNP DNP T45 T3 CUT T23 58 DNP DNP The Open Championship DNP DNP DNP T8 T16 T11 CUT DNP DNP PGA Championship T30 T44 T29 T10 CUT T23 T49 T23 WD

 

 

shoddy work...seems to be the norm.

 

cross refernce DNP's vs. eligibility over his whole career.

 

in addition, do the top-100 work on Bay Hill vs. the majors and TPC since 1990.

 

go back to school...

 

...dig deep.

[SDGolfing]

That is just it. I do not care what majors he was eligible for, if you don't play you cannot win. Plus what the hell kind of "star" decides to skip the freaking biggest tournaments of the year?!?!!? Isn't the whole point of being a professional to see how you compare to everyone else? Do the Steelers decide you know what this year our team is not that great let's just not play the playoffs even though we made it. I mean come on. A field in a normal tournament will never be a major unless it is in fact a major. The pressure of winning a major is nothing compare to the Memorial. If Tiger could get away with it he would probably only play the majors because he knows that is what people care about and what history looks at. To your point do you think Tiger Woods would trade one US open in exchange for winning the major every single year? Uhhhhhhhhh no. You can go back and forth with me on this all you want, my point is when you say someone is a "star" on the pga tour I think you are refrencing a small handfull of golfers. In that handful you do not think Kenny Perry. You will think AK.

 

Someday VERY soon.

 

I was at the buick all day and guess who's name I heard asking why he wasn't there. Ernie? Adam Scott? Sergio? Vijay? Ak.

 

PS Not one person mentioned Kenny Perry. Guess this course doesn't suit him. Now back on topic so members don't have to witness you proving yourself wrong over and over again.

[Dr. Bombay]

That is just it. I do not care what majors he was eligible for, if you don't play you cannot win. Plus what the hell kind of "star" decides to skip the freaking biggest tournaments of the year?!?!!? Isn't the whole point of being a professional to see how you compare to everyone else? Do the Steelers decide you know what this year our team is not that great let's just not play the playoffs even though we made it. I mean come on. A field in a normal tournament will never be a major unless it is in fact a major. The pressure of winning a major is nothing compare to the Memorial. If Tiger could get away with it he would probably only play the majors because he knows that is what people care about and what history looks at. To your point do you think Tiger Woods would trade one US open in exchange for winning the major every single year? Uhhhhhhhhh no. You can go back and forth with me on this all you want, my point is when you say someone is a "star" on the pga tour I think you are refrencing a small handfull of golfers. In that handful you do not think Kenny Perry. You will think AK.

 

Someday VERY soon.

 

I was at the buick all day and guess who's name I heard asking why he wasn't there. Ernie? Adam Scott? Sergio? Vijay? Ak.

 

PS Not one person mentioned Kenny Perry. Guess this course doesn't suit him. Now back on topic so members don't have to witness you proving yourself wrong over and over again.

 

looks to me like the Buick Open gets some pretty good players - past winners:

 

2008 Kenny Perry

 

2007 Brian Bateman

 

2006 Tiger Woods

 

2005 Vijay Singh

 

2004 Vijay Singh

 

2003 Jim Furyk

 

2002 Tiger Woods

 

2001 Kenny Perry

 

what are you trying to say in those underlined sentences above? neither make sense.

 

your ADD got the best of you again, you didn't read what I wrote. I said Kenny is squarely in the "star" category - and I said further he's not in the "superstar" category...for anyone to call him a "journeyman" is laughable, pretty much eliminates any shred of credibility that person might have had. I also never downplayed anything about AK, I'm a fan, and barring injury I do expect him to ascend to "superstar" status.

 

- #8 on all-time money list

- 13 tour wins

- 2 Ryder Cup teams

- 3 Prez Cups

 

the man is a star regardless of whether you choose to acknowledge it, or not.

 

(but he's def not a media darling, like Adam Scott, for example)

[Yuck]

It’s been a few years.  Now that AK is playing and KP is retired, has anyone changed their minds?

 

 

[mosesgolf]

What's the record for time period passed and resurrecting a thread from last post to current?  lol

[AZBRONCFAN]

Not even close.

[RoverTiger]

May not be as good as Steve Perry.

[fowlerscousin]

AK would have to tee off from the red tees to have a chance, even in his prime

[Ferguson]

4 hours ago, mosesgolf said:

What's the record for time period passed and resurrecting a thread from last post to current?  lol

 

The current record. 

October 2006 to Feb 2023.

 

Thread title:  "Geoff or Jeff, does he belong?

 

That year Phil took the Masters, Tiger won the British and PGA.  Olgivy's US Open win seemed out of place. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 11, 2024 by Ferguson

[grm24]

1 hour ago, fowlerscousin said:

AK would have to tee off from the red tees to have a chance, even in his prime

63 year old Kenny Perry, who rarely plays tour golf these days, shot 67 at Firestone South in the Kaulig (Senior Players) Championship. KP to this day would still mop the floor with AK. Even the pre exhibition tour version of AK.

[mosesgolf]

2 hours ago, Ferguson said:

 

The current record. 

October 2006 to Feb 2023.

 

Thread title:  "Geoff or Jeff, does he belong?

 

That year Phil took the Masters, Tiger won the British and PGA.  Olgivy's US Open win seemed out of place. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

2 guys whose names I always tie as unforgettable (Olgivy & Cink) to what could've been an epic win.  Phil's lone US Open to complete career slam and Tom Watson's 09 Open.

[Shilgy]

10 hours ago, mosesgolf said:

What's the record for time period passed and resurrecting a thread from last post to current?  lol

I ran into one the other day that a new member resurrected an almost 19 year old thread.

 

 But this might be the record for the longest locked and then unlocked thread by the OP. In this case @Yuck

[Ferguson]

12 hours ago, mosesgolf said:

2 guys whose names I always tie as unforgettable (Olgivy & Cink) to what could've been an epic win.  Phil's lone US Open to complete career slam and Tom Watson's 09 Open.

 

Re: 09

I have no reason to dislike Cink, but I do.  

He spoiled what could have been a great moment in golf history.  

 

 

Re:06

"Yeah, right there, is where you should have punched out."

 

[Hawkeye77]

5 minutes ago, Ferguson said:

 

Re: 09

I have no reason to dislike Cink, but I do.  

He spoiled what could have been a great moment in golf history.  

 

 

Re:06

"Yeah, right there, is where you should have punched out."

 

Yep, and I still cringe remembering Watson’s “chip” and the following putt after 53 holes of pretty steely play around the greens - and it still makes me sad, but …. golf takes no prisoners. 
 

Phil? I was rooting for Monty to finally get a major!

[Ferguson]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye77 said:

Yep, and I still cringe remembering Watson’s “chip” and the following putt after 53 holes of pretty steely play around the greens - and it still makes me sad, but …. golf takes no prisoners. 
 

Phil? I was rooting for Monty to finally get a major!

 

Monty's career was defined by three words, "Oh, so close."

 

He must wake up at least three times per week, sweating and thinking about what could have been.  

 

 

[MtlJeff]

14 hours ago, mosesgolf said:

2 guys whose names I always tie as unforgettable (Olgivy & Cink) to what could've been an epic win.  Phil's lone US Open to complete career slam and Tom Watson's 09 Open.

 

Don't forget about Lucas Glover in 2009!

 

We had David Duval with a legit chance to win that one, as well as Phil.

 

Plus Hunter Mahan getting one of the worst breaks ever to fall out of it. 

[jonsnow]

I'm a huge David Duval fan. 2009 broke my heart. 

[MtlJeff]

7 minutes ago, jonsnow said:

I'm a huge David Duval fan. 2009 broke my heart. 

 

It was such a fun tournament, Duval, Mickelson.....Hunter Mahan was a young talent. Plus Richard Barnes was the former #1 ranked AM who had struggled as a pro then i think set a US Open record for 36 holes IIRC

 

But Lucas Glover aw shucks'd his way to a win!

[Maine Golfer]

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