Titleist Staffers opting for Vokey 48 degree PWs

[keitha37]

I just switched from the stock AP2 PW to the Vokey 48 and love it. For me, I found that I never used the AP2 PW for pitching and shots around the green. Now I use the Vokey 48 all the time for pitch and run shots. Also, I find it easier to hit shots from the fairways and control trajectory.

Vokey set up now:
48, 54, 58

[duffer888]

I would guess they use the Vokey PW for the short game consistency, especially when chipping. I have to be careful when I chip with my cavity back PW because it comes off hotter than my non-cavity SW.

[texcrom]

[quote name='duffer888' post='2143413' date='Dec 25 2009, 12:10 PM']I would guess they use the Vokey PW for the short game consistency, especially when chipping. I have to be careful when I chip with my cavity back PW because it comes off hotter than my non-cavity SW.[/quote]

Interesting point that I, quite frankly, had not considered.

After reading this, it occurred to me that I have the same issue with PW or 9 iron on chips around the green. So much hotter than my wedges.

Thanks.

[JimmyP91]

[quote name='keitha37' post='2143399' date='Dec 25 2009, 10:57 AM']I just switched from the stock AP2 PW to the Vokey 48 and love it. For me, I found that I never used the AP2 PW for pitching and shots around the green. Now I use the Vokey 48 all the time for pitch and run shots. Also, I find it easier to hit shots from the fairways and control trajectory.

Vokey set up now:
48, 54, 58[/quote]

well thanks bro.. that clinched it haha.. im definitely switching to the vokey 48 now.. same deal 48 53 58 for me tho.. i agree that the ap2 is kinda to "poppy" for pitch shots around the green.. it just shoots hard off the club..

i have a question tho.. someone help.. if i take the ap2 pw out.. am i gonna have a big gap from my nine iron to my vokey 48.. cuz i hit my ap2 pw 138 full... i like to use it at about 135.. and then the nine goes about 145 full usually like to hit 142 or so.... so do u think that the vokey 48 will be MUCH shorter than the ap2 pw?
thnks
jp

[chip75]

[quote name='JimmyP91' post='2143535' date='Dec 25 2009, 07:01 PM'][quote name='keitha37' post='2143399' date='Dec 25 2009, 10:57 AM']I just switched from the stock AP2 PW to the Vokey 48 and love it. For me, I found that I never used the AP2 PW for pitching and shots around the green. Now I use the Vokey 48 all the time for pitch and run shots. Also, I find it easier to hit shots from the fairways and control trajectory.

Vokey set up now:
48, 54, 58[/quote]

well thanks bro.. that clinched it haha.. im definitely switching to the vokey 48 now.. same deal 48 53 58 for me tho.. i agree that the ap2 is kinda to "poppy" for pitch shots around the green.. it just shoots hard off the club..

i have a question tho.. someone help.. if i take the ap2 pw out.. am i gonna have a big gap from my nine iron to my vokey 48.. cuz i hit my ap2 pw 138 full... i like to use it at about 135.. and then the nine goes about 145 full usually like to hit 142 or so.... so do u think that the vokey 48 will be MUCH shorter than the ap2 pw?
thnks
jp
[/quote]

There's only 1 degree more on a 48 Vokey vs the AP2 P, I don't know the flight on the AP2's but you could stick a quarter inch on the Vokey shaft then choke down a bit ore on greenside shots.

[CasualLie]

[quote name='texcrom' post='2143484' date='Dec 25 2009, 10:09 AM'][quote name='duffer888' post='2143413' date='Dec 25 2009, 12:10 PM']I would guess they use the Vokey PW for the short game consistency, especially when chipping. I have to be careful when I chip with my cavity back PW because it comes off hotter than my non-cavity SW.[/quote]

Interesting point that I, quite frankly, had not considered.

After reading this, it occurred to me that I have the same issue with PW or 9 iron on chips around the green. So much hotter than my wedges.

Thanks.
[/quote]

I was going to post the same. In addition, I prefer the sole grind on the Vokey 48* to the AP2 because it has much more VERSATILITY. There, I said it. If I had to formulate it I would dare say those who only use the PW to go balls out from 140 use the AP2, those who use their PW for a variety of shots in terms of distance and trajectory as well as bump/runs prefer the Vokey.

[The Beagle]

Yikes!

Some angry people in this thread, and we're only taking about wedges... imagine if it were something serious

[quote name='CARDY' post='2137371' date='Dec 22 2009, 08:59 AM']Surprised with wedges running up to 64 that Titty hasn't had Vokey do 46 and 44 lofts[/quote]

Agreed. I think a 46* Vokey would be a real hit.

[Pablito Woods]

[quote name='Beagle' post='2144230' date='Dec 26 2009, 03:46 AM']Yikes!

Some angry people in this thread, and we're only taking about wedges... imagine if it were something serious

[quote name='CARDY' post='2137371' date='Dec 22 2009, 08:59 AM']Surprised with wedges running up to 64 that Titty hasn't had Vokey do 46 and 44 lofts[/quote]

Agreed. I think a 46* Vokey would be a real hit.
[/quote]
Haha, yeah, it got serious for a while, but all guilty parties turned themselves in and got over it. I wish that was always true As far as the 46* wedge goes, I think I'd actually like that. Maybe weaken that 1* so it'd be 47* with less offset and more bounce, instead of a strengthened 48* to 47* with more offset and less bounce. I'd go for that if the stock Vokey shaft wasn't the S200, but an upgrade would solve that. The 44* might be much, but that would be really cool if you wanted a "more versatile" 9 iron, which I could see myself trying. I think this whole issue is not as bad when you're playing blades, but it possibly could be a hotter blade than the wedge. My blades are fine for half shots, but I need a PW because I only have a GW with a slightly whippy shaft. This is a problem because I need it for full shots, and it easily goes left- maybe a new Vokey would help this for next season. I guess I'll see.

[2over]

Well, back to the original question, I could think of several reasons good players might take out the PW from their set and add a Vokey...

1) Like to match their other wedges, if you think of the PW as a "wedge" and not "10 iron" (I think good players go both ways on this one--there's no "right" answer or "all good players like it this way..."

2) Glare. 47-49 degrees is enough angle for the glare off the face to be an issue. If you've got a particularly shiny set of irons, as with most chrome muscle backs or player's cavities, the low-glare finish options available in Vokey wedges might be an appealing factor. Lots of players like the rusty or unchromed or black nicke or matte silver look in their sand and lob wedges, so it makes sense in the PW for some who are sensitive to glare.

3) Sole grind. If you have a fat soled iron set, a thinner soled PW might appeal and a Vokey would fit the bill here. A 48* Vokey has a thinner sole than most other Titleist irons--only the new MB looks to be as thin soled in the PW as a 48* Vokey, to my eye at least... A related reason might be if you have cavity backs, the flat back Vokey might give a flatter trajectory in the PW, and be preferrable to some.

4) Square grooves. Titleist and Mizuno muscle back irons, popular with good players, had old school V grooves. Some guys might like the extra bite in their PW the square grooved Vokeys offered. Of course, that's not an option this year, but it might explain why in previous years some guys went with Vokey PW instead of the one in their set.

Just my $.02. I don't know anyone who actually takes out the PW from his set and puts in a Vokey, so this is just pure guessing on my part with no inside tour info to back it up...

[Mizzy Two Plane]

I play a 48* Vokey in place of my PW for several reasons.

1. I play it more like a wedge than a 10 iron. I hit my 48* 115 yards

2. I change irons about every three years, which means I keep my irons long enough to need a replacement PW, its a lot easier to get another Vokey than a Mizuno PW they quit making two years ago. Along the same line, when I do change irons I don't have to get used to a new PW or mess with my SW to get the appropriate yardage gaps.

3. For my playing style its all about consistency in the short clubs.

[villefan84]

For me personally, it was about looks and feel on less than full swings. I was playing the AP2's which I though had a pretty bulky wedge. I carried a 48* bent to 47*, a 53* Vokey and a 59* Vokey. I hit my 53* around 115 and I can hit PW around 140. With the Vokey, it was much easier for me to control shots that fell in between these distances. I recently switched to the 710 MB's and I plan to use the PW that matches the set.

[gregflat9]

May be Titleist/Vokey offer more money if a player bags one or more of their wedges?

[Asleep]

wow.. poor SDGolfer... his thread got hi-jacked

and this show has reached a new low

Some angry people in this thread, and we're only taking about wedges...

 

This is exactly what the VIOLATION button is for, folks.

 

Report the posts and we'll take care of it. :)

[Titleist-Golfer]

Just found a 48* Vokey SM (new version) like new in shop for $49, so picked it up. Played it today instead of my 680 PW. I think the wider sole on the Vokey SM makes it much easier to clip the low spinner 1 hop n stop pitches, so found myself using 48* for some pitches instead of using my 54* which was nice to have more pitch and chip options.

[dbren1]

Can't believe I've read through this whole thread and no one has mentioned that the Vokey PW is cast whereas the AP2, 710, 681 etc PW is forged. Make of that what you will...

[KevCarter]

[quote name='dbren1' post='2167487' date='Jan 7 2010, 03:09 PM']Can't believe I've read through this whole thread and no one has mentioned that the Vokey PW is cast whereas the AP2, 710, 681 etc PW is forged. Make of that what you will... [/quote]

Good point, a forged wedge will wear out much quicker with no noticeable difference in feel.

Kevin

[Caldymat]

Completly agree with duffer and keith,

I find my 695cb pw the leading edge is very sharpe and difficult to chip and pitch with, anyone else have this problem?

Also the loft is 46degree, too strong.

i changed from a 52 deg vokey to a 54 and found i was leaving every pitch shot short, anyone else find this??

[j-daniel]

Im thinking of doing this also what is the difference in distance between a normal P and say a vokey 48*.

Im thinkin of losing my MP-67 P X100 and swapping for 48 vokey or similr also hat shaft to hve in it S400 like the edges or X00 like the irons.

cheers guys

[j-daniel]

[quote name='j-daniel' date='14 January 2010 - 11:02 AM' timestamp='1263466931' post='2180651']
Im thinking of doing this also what is the difference in distance between a normal P and say a vokey 48*.

Im thinkin of losing my MP-67 P X100 and swapping for 48 vokey or similr also hat shaft to hve in it S400 like the edges or X00 like the irons.

cheers guys
[/quote]


any ideas guys?

[tncup]

I have had 4 sets of irons off the tour and 3 of the 4 had no PW. Although the PW in the 4th set was the same, it had been ground so much it was a different animal. No question to me, "all" wedges on tour are are chosen as an individual club.

[frankis843]

I know some tour guys thought 08 AP2's had a tendency to balloon in the short irons....

[mkotthoff]

I will definitely draw or fade a ball into a left or right pin position with a gap or pitching wedge, it's a afer shot if you aim at the middle and work it in. I control my wedge distance and spin with trajectory though.

[elrey23]

[quote name='kdy663' date='21 December 2009 - 12:05 PM' timestamp='1261418731' post='2136944']
I think it is a bit of a stretch to say they do it because of versatility of the wedge! Tour players are not using a PW for anything other than full shots or the occasional bump n run around the green. It is just a personal preference of guys who like the look of a Vokey wedge compared to the wedge in their set of irons. Simple as that.
[/quote]

Exactly. Perhaps if the PW was a more versatile head shape they would use it for more shots and perhaps that's why they prefer it over the other one.

[nightwalker]

Biggest reason is trajectory control. Wedges (vokey, cleveland, etc.) have a higher vertical center of gravity so it's possible to keep the ball down in the wind and better distance control under normal conditions.

[shallowdivots]

Not sure about the pro's but I prefer the look, feel, and having a grind that fits my swing. I guess you can chalk it up to a confidence thing.

[seypat]

The wedges, like every other club in the bag not called irons have become a seperate entity. The driver, woods, hybrids, wedges, and putters all are "custom off the rack." What I mean is this. The pro decides to play XYZ irons. He comes in with his specs and the van builds him a set or two and tweaks them to his liking. But then for the rest of his club choices he can just head to the particular area and every choice imaginable is already there to try out. He might have to do a little tweaking but not near as much as if he played a wedge that matched his set. If Steve Stricker for instance wanted a 755 wedge in 49 with 5 degrees of loft chances are they will to make it and grind it on the van. With the Vokey however, they will pull one out of stock and say here ya go! You are not going to see the options available with the stock PW.

That and the versatility thing.

[Exerve]

does the 48 degree vokey go about the same distance as a pitching wedge? I think that with the vokey once it hits the green, it will spin back more compared to the pitching wedge. is there a big difference in distance between the two?

[dlefty]

[quote name='sidewinder0613' date='18 January 2010 - 04:19 PM' timestamp='1263853199' post='2189544']
does the 48 degree vokey go about the same distance as a pitching wedge? I think that with the vokey once it hits the green, it will spin back more compared to the pitching wedge. is there a big difference in distance between the two?
[/quote]

I think everyones results will vary a bit depending on how one delivers the clubhead to the ball. This whole wedge thing has become quite a trend by me lately, with many dropping the PW out of their iron set and adding a different wedge. What we have been finding for most, is that whatever the wedge (Vokey, Cleveland, etc.) we have had to bend them to 45-46 degrees to get the same or close to same distance as the sets 47 degree PW.

[Exerve]

thanks. but if one bent the 48 vokey to 47 or 46, wouldnt that mess up the bounce? A standard pitching wedge from the set has 8 degrees of bounce. the vokey 48 starts out with less bounce at 6 degrees, wouldnt the bounce be really low when its bent down?