Driver backspin HELP!

[Guest]

shaft clubhead?

My driver swing speed ranges from 102 to 110 mph. I currently have a 75 gram stiff proforce ust in a 2007 9.5 degree Burner. My backspin is in the ballpark of 3500. I have had bad luck with my local store/fitter. Can anyone suggest a cure to lower my spin? Oddly enough one time I tried an 11 dgree driver and it seemed to lower my spin although the launch angle stayed the same as my Burner. Any help appreciated Thankss!

[pinhigh27]

What was your launch angle? If you can spare a degree or two of launch, going down in loft will have a decent effect on the spin.

[Guest]

I think its a little on the low side, 10 to 11

[marrigo]

Best guess is that you are striking the ball with a pretty steep descending angle of attack resulting in high spin. Any equipment changes you make to decrease spin will also likely decrease launch which is probably not advisable if you are in the 10-11 range. Try teeing it up a little higher, make sure it's forward in your stance, and stay behind the ball through impact. This should help get you coming into the ball with a more ascending launch angle. Or better yet find a reputable teaching pro and have him take a look at your swing and see if he can diagnose any problems.

[Guest]

Thanks merrigo, I've got to learn the more modern driver swing.

[pinhigh27]

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Best guess is that you are striking the ball with a pretty steep descending angle of attack resulting in high spin. Any equipment changes you make to decrease spin will also likely decrease launch which is probably not advisable if you are in the 10-11 range. Try teeing it up a little higher, make sure it's forward in your stance, and stay behind the ball through impact. This should help get you coming into the ball with a more ascending launch angle. Or better yet find a reputable teaching pro and have him take a look at your swing and see if he can diagnose any problems.
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I thought Iteach stated that hitting down into anything doesn't increase or decrease spin, just merely lower launch?

[NavyLD12]

Also if your swing speed is that high you might want to go with an x flex which should help a little. Look into a shaft with a high kink firm tip. Like the Aldila Protopype, RIP, ETC...

[sanderslongdrive]

TM heads tend to generate enormous backspin. That by itself could be the cause of the problem.

If the following set up fails to create a close to perfect set up, then something is very likely wrong with your swing:

SHAFT: MitsubishiRayon Fubuki 73X Tour

HEAD: Low Spinning head of around 10d - Cobra Pro D? Geek Dot Com This? Adams Speedline 9032LS?

[Cwebb]

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[quote name='marrigo' timestamp='1282659698' post='2658764']
Best guess is that you are striking the ball with a pretty steep descending angle of attack resulting in high spin. Any equipment changes you make to decrease spin will also likely decrease launch which is probably not advisable if you are in the 10-11 range. Try teeing it up a little higher, make sure it's forward in your stance, and stay behind the ball through impact. This should help get you coming into the ball with a more ascending launch angle. Or better yet find a reputable teaching pro and have him take a look at your swing and see if he can diagnose any problems.
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I thought Iteach stated that hitting down into anything doesn't increase or decrease spin, just merely lower launch?
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If he did say that, I agree with him and Trackman has confirmed this with their extensive studies as well. Angle of attack has very little to do with spin rate off a driver. What does have a huge influence is [b][/b]where on the clubface you contact the ball.[b][/b] Anything that is hit below center and/or towards the heel, will promote a lot more spin.

One of the better ways to practice and figure out how to lower your spin, is to work with impact stickers one the face, so you know exactly where your contact is.

[mgranato]

This is a pretty common "chicken or egg" deal that I see with guys in your SS range. Based on experience, I'm gonna say you have to elements working against you. You most likely have a descending angle of attack (which in itself does NOT raise spin), and you have a rearward leaning shaft through impact (which does raise spin). The rearward leaning shaft is a way to add loft to help increase launch angle to a "playable" degree from a too negative angle of attack. When you add loft, you add spin. The question is, do you back the shaft up because of the negative attack angle, or do you have a negative attack angle because you back the shaft up?

Typically, it's the attack angle providing the need to add the "playable" extra loft. Whichever it is, you will want to move towards a positive angle of attack WITH a forward leaning shaft. Develop this combination and you will have the option/ability to control you shot (spin and launch) with your swing rather than searching for that magic bullet shaft.

[Ies3343]

[quote name='mgranato' timestamp='1283558986' post='2678240']
This is a pretty common "chicken or egg" deal that I see with guys in your SS range. Based on experience, I'm gonna say you have to elements working against you. You most likely have a descending angle of attack (which in itself does NOT raise spin), and you have a rearward leaning shaft through impact (which does raise spin). The rearward leaning shaft is a way to add loft to help increase launch angle to a "playable" degree from a too negative angle of attack. When you add loft, you add spin. The question is, do you back the shaft up because of the negative attack angle, or do you have a negative attack angle because you back the shaft up?

Typically, it's the attack angle providing the need to add the "playable" extra loft. Whichever it is, you will want to move towards a positive angle of attack WITH a forward leaning shaft. Develop this combination and you will have the option/ability to control you shot (spin and launch) with your swing rather than searching for that magic bullet shaft.
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I had a big problem with spin, because of my angle of attack being tall at 6'-7". I switched from a 10.5 degree Diablo Tour with an AXIV shaft to a 10.5 Speedline Classic with a Whiteboard....Problem solved...

[marrigo]

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[quote name='pinhigh27' timestamp='1282697370' post='2659963']
[quote name='marrigo' timestamp='1282659698' post='2658764']
Best guess is that you are striking the ball with a pretty steep descending angle of attack resulting in high spin. Any equipment changes you make to decrease spin will also likely decrease launch which is probably not advisable if you are in the 10-11 range. Try teeing it up a little higher, make sure it's forward in your stance, and stay behind the ball through impact. This should help get you coming into the ball with a more ascending launch angle. Or better yet find a reputable teaching pro and have him take a look at your swing and see if he can diagnose any problems.
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I thought Iteach stated that hitting down into anything doesn't increase or decrease spin, just merely lower launch?
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If he did say that, I agree with him and Trackman has confirmed this with their extensive studies as well. Angle of attack has very little to do with spin rate off a driver. What does have a huge influence is where on the clubface you contact the ball. Anything that is hit below center and/or towards the heel, will promote a lot more spin.

One of the better ways to practice and figure out how to lower your spin, is to work with impact stickers one the face, so you know exactly where your contact is.
[/quote]

Not disagreeing here, but can you provide a link to the Trackman study? I'd be interested in reading it. Thought I saw a video on this site (or a link) of Faldo on a Trackman hitting the same driver and ball combo with a descending attack and ascending and the difference in spin and total distance was significant.

[kanunn22]

I actually have a very similar issue. I just spent 2 hours at a local facility w/ great technology. I've never experienced a swing analysis like it, but come to find out the NV-65 stiff with a first generation Sasquatch 9.5 I've been swinging is ALL wrong. I have a swing speed in the 118-122 range and my spin was in the upper 3000's to low 4000's. My launch angle was also in the 9-9.5 range, and my "misses" were VIOLENT to say the least. The guy immediately started putting xstiff shafts in and we went to work. I was liking the fubuki 73x and had the burner tp in, and my spin was about 33-3400, and launch was in the 10.5 range. The Shaft alone with any head brought my misses right and left in dramatically. He said he wanted my spin with that club speed to be in the mid 2000's. He brought out an R9 superdeep 9.5 and WOW, 2400... He explained to me that the taller face results in less spin. ???

Anyhow, just food for thought on my experience. Take it for what it's worth to you, but I am now looking to build a nice 45" driver w/ those specs. I did find the SD a bit harder to be pure with than the burner tp.

[Grobster]

Here is some of the requested trackman data.

[url="http://www.golfdiscussions.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=23466.0"]A of A trackman results[/url]

Reading between the lines......the optimum launch angle, A of A and backspin do go together. However, what they seem to suggest is that it is the compensatory driver loft, used to achieve the optimum launch angle, which adds the significant back spin and not the actual A of A itself.


So if we were to say that for swing speed 'X' the optimum launch angle is 12 degree....(just for duscussions sake!)

In achieving the 12 degree launch, they are saying that an 8 degree driver plus an upwards A of A of 4 deg will have less backspin than achieving a 12 degree launch by using such as a 14 degree driver with a 2 degree downwads A of A.

Hence, achieving the optimum launch angle with the lowest lofted driver which suits the players swing seems to be a good starting block. I suppose it is then a matter of utilising other golf technology to final tweak the ball spin to the optimum.

I suppose in a way we sort of knew all this.... but as we all do many micro things differently during our individual swings the 'black art' is tuning to the individual, which as we again know, is often trail and error.

[storm]

this may sound weird but my dad was getting "fitted" for the cleveland DST's on a trackman. he plays a 7.5 g5 with a NVS. oddly enough his spin and launch were "optimal" with a 10.5 DST tour and a stiff "whiteboard". the 8.5 and 9.5's spun like a top and the 10.5 was just right. if you have a chance try hitting a higher degree just for craps and giggles

[Lee91]

Try the Adams driver it has a very low spin rate!

[LUMA]

Sounds like attack angle. Try a few different swings with the driver next time you hit the range. Such as hitting up at the ball. "Trying to launch it higher" That tends to get the ball up and lower spin as the club face is moving upward on impact creating less downward spin. Might not be a good explanation but I tried. Either way. Try hitting up at the ball. Bring your left shoulder up a tad higher.

[rherna23]

try this shaft.. its a spin KILLER!! project x tour issue shafts.. i used a fubuki alpha and my ball was almost coming back once it landed.. with this shaft it rolls like crazy!