OK A WEEK AWAY FROM CHANGING IRONS!!

[Longdriver295]

Help please!

Ok this is it, getting ready to purchase new irons Its between the callaway 09 X forged with PX 6.0 or the Cleveland CG7 tour with DG S300. Here is the deal I have hit both these irons and they are bout as close in comparison for me as you can get. I hit the 7 iron in both sets right around 165yds they both felt great so I know it is down to preference I have a cleveland driver but I know my irons do not have to match it. If you were in this situation which one would you choose?? Any help would be appreciated!

[glfpunk]

I love the Callaway forged irons. I was torn between the x forged or the prototypes and got the forged. I actually ordered the same setup with PX 6.0. Really looking forward to getting them in the mail. I can't speak on those particular Clevelands but I'd just go with what you feel more comfortable and confident with.

[SpinMill75]

You've hit these off real grass right? I'd check with a shop and see if I could take a demo iron(s) out and put them into play during a round.

[Pepperturbo]

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[b]Ok this is it, getting ready to purchase new irons Its between the callaway 09 X forged with PX 6.0 or the Cleveland CG7 tour with DG S300. Here is the deal I have hit both these irons and they are bout as close in comparison for me as you can get. I hit the 7 iron in both sets right around 165yds they both felt great so I know it is down to preference I have a cleveland driver but I know my irons do not have to match it. If you were in this situation which one would you choose?? Any help would be appreciated![/b]
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I will only play PX, so there's my 2cents. With that said, comparing those two shafts, I find it interesting you realized similar result. I would be very careful because I do NOT see the two in the same light; plus CG7 "7i" is "1*" stronger, .5" longer, and lie angle is a tad more upright - vs. X-Forged 7i which comes stock with Flighted PX ... it has a much stiffer butt and tip section in mid-short irons compared to standard PX and each of those shafts make S300 feel soft.

I play PX 6.0 and have a slew of test irons with different shafts in them; two of which have S300 - X100. DGS300 is not as stiff as PX 6.0 or PX Flighted 6.0 profile, and I'll even include standard FCM Rifle 6.5's which I played before switching to PX. And, so you know I've played both PX shafts since 07 and still carry 6i 165-173yd.

[Longdriver295]

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[b]Ok this is it, getting ready to purchase new irons Its between the callaway 09 X forged with PX 6.0 or the Cleveland CG7 tour with DG S300. Here is the deal I have hit both these irons and they are bout as close in comparison for me as you can get. I hit the 7 iron in both sets right around 165yds they both felt great so I know it is down to preference I have a cleveland driver but I know my irons do not have to match it. If you were in this situation which one would you choose?? Any help would be appreciated![/b]
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I will only play PX, so there's my 2cents. With that said, comparing those two shafts, I find it interesting you realized similar result. I would be very careful because I do NOT see the two in the same light; plus CG7 "7i" is "1*" stronger, .5" longer, and lie angle is a tad more upright - vs. X-Forged 7i which comes stock with Flighted PX ... it has a much stiffer butt and tip section in mid-short irons compared to standard PX and each of those shafts make S300 feel soft.

I play PX 6.0 and have a slew of test irons with different shafts in them; two of which have S300 - X100. DGS300 is not as stiff as PX 6.0 or PX Flighted 6.0 profile, and I'll even include standard FCM Rifle 6.5's which I played before switching to PX. And, so you know I've played both PX shafts since 07 and still carry 6i 165-173yd.
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So are you saying that I should have hit the CG7 futher and that the PX has a tighter dispersion than S300 Because really thats all I seen different in the clubs is that I was a tad more accurate with the PX But the guy fitting me said he thought if i went with that shaft I needed a 5.5 and that is pretty much equal to the S300

[Pepperturbo]

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[b]Ok this is it, getting ready to purchase new irons Its between the callaway 09 X forged with PX 6.0 or the Cleveland CG7 tour with DG S300. Here is the deal I have hit both these irons and they are bout as close in comparison for me as you can get. I hit the 7 iron in both sets right around 165yds they both felt great so I know it is down to preference I have a cleveland driver but I know my irons do not have to match it. If you were in this situation which one would you choose?? Any help would be appreciated![/b]
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I will only play PX, so there's my 2cents. With that said, comparing those two shafts, I find it interesting you realized similar result. I would be very careful because I do NOT see the two in the same light; plus CG7 "7i" is "1*" stronger, .5" longer, and lie angle is a tad more upright - vs. X-Forged 7i which comes stock with Flighted PX ... it has a much stiffer butt and tip section in mid-short irons compared to standard PX and each of those shafts make S300 feel soft.

I play PX 6.0 and have a slew of test irons with different shafts in them; two of which have S300 - X100. DGS300 is not as stiff as PX 6.0 or PX Flighted 6.0 profile, and I'll even include standard FCM Rifle 6.5's which I played before switching to PX. And, so you know I've played both PX shafts since 07 and still carry 6i 165-173yd.
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So are you saying that I should have hit the CG7 futher and that the PX has a tighter dispersion than S300 Because really thats all I seen different in the clubs is that I was a tad more accurate with the PX But the guy fitting me said he thought if i went with that shaft I needed a 5.5 and that is pretty much equal to the S300
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Yes, farther, and depending on swing mechanics possibly more dispersion - then with PX. DG S300 and PX 6.0 - can't be equal because PX 6.0 is much stiffer. PX 5.5 sounds more like it. To effectively benefit from PX 6.0 the user has to have SS to flex them. When I hit S300 I get a different trajectory and not as much distance as with PX 6.0, reason - I flex the shaft so much the tip lags; that translates into dispersion and lose of distance because of my fast tempo and hands through impact. That's also reason I am better with a stiff butt and tip shaft like PX.

Keep in mind, if you hit S300's well then you won't realize max distance with PX 6.0; that's not to say you can't hit it. Kinda like benefiting from a low-spin distance ball like Callaway i(z), and still getting it to spin around the greens... If I couldn't compress it, I won't benefit from it's profile and realize distance.

[Longdriver295]

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[b]Ok this is it, getting ready to purchase new irons Its between the callaway 09 X forged with PX 6.0 or the Cleveland CG7 tour with DG S300. Here is the deal I have hit both these irons and they are bout as close in comparison for me as you can get. I hit the 7 iron in both sets right around 165yds they both felt great so I know it is down to preference I have a cleveland driver but I know my irons do not have to match it. If you were in this situation which one would you choose?? Any help would be appreciated![/b]
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I will only play PX, so there's my 2cents. With that said, comparing those two shafts, I find it interesting you realized similar result. I would be very careful because I do NOT see the two in the same light; plus CG7 "7i" is "1*" stronger, .5" longer, and lie angle is a tad more upright - vs. X-Forged 7i which comes stock with Flighted PX ... it has a much stiffer butt and tip section in mid-short irons compared to standard PX and each of those shafts make S300 feel soft.

I play PX 6.0 and have a slew of test irons with different shafts in them; two of which have S300 - X100. DGS300 is not as stiff as PX 6.0 or PX Flighted 6.0 profile, and I'll even include standard FCM Rifle 6.5's which I played before switching to PX. And, so you know I've played both PX shafts since 07 and still carry 6i 165-173yd.
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So are you saying that I should have hit the CG7 futher and that the PX has a tighter dispersion than S300 Because really thats all I seen different in the clubs is that I was a tad more accurate with the PX But the guy fitting me said he thought if i went with that shaft I needed a 5.5 and that is pretty much equal to the S300
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Yes, farther, and depending on swing mechanics possibly more dispersion - then with PX. DG S300 and PX 6.0 - can't be equal because PX 6.0 is much stiffer. PX 5.5 sounds more like it. To effectively benefit from PX 6.0 the user has to have SS to flex them. When I hit S300 I get a different trajectory and not as much distance as with PX 6.0, reason - I flex the shaft so much the tip lags; that translates into dispersion and lose of distance because of my fast tempo and hands through impact. That's also reason I am better with a stiff butt and tip shaft like PX.

Keep in mind, if you hit S300's well then you won't realize max distance with PX 6.0; that's not to say you can't hit it. Kinda like benefiting from a low-spin distance ball like Callaway i(z), and still getting it to spin around the greens... If I couldn't compress it, I won't benefit from it's profile and realize distance.
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I swing pretty hard around 88 ss with 7i and im like you a pretty fast transition, so do you think i would benefit from the x forged with PX 6.0?

[Pepperturbo]

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[b]Ok this is it, getting ready to purchase new irons Its between the callaway 09 X forged with PX 6.0 or the Cleveland CG7 tour with DG S300. Here is the deal I have hit both these irons and they are bout as close in comparison for me as you can get. I hit the 7 iron in both sets right around 165yds they both felt great so I know it is down to preference I have a cleveland driver but I know my irons do not have to match it. If you were in this situation which one would you choose?? Any help would be appreciated![/b]
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I will only play PX, so there's my 2cents. With that said, comparing those two shafts, I find it interesting you realized similar result. I would be very careful because I do NOT see the two in the same light; plus CG7 "7i" is "1*" stronger, .5" longer, and lie angle is a tad more upright - vs. X-Forged 7i which comes stock with Flighted PX ... it has a much stiffer butt and tip section in mid-short irons compared to standard PX and each of those shafts make S300 feel soft.

I play PX 6.0 and have a slew of test irons with different shafts in them; two of which have S300 - X100. DGS300 is not as stiff as PX 6.0 or PX Flighted 6.0 profile, and I'll even include standard FCM Rifle 6.5's which I played before switching to PX. And, so you know I've played both PX shafts since 07 and still carry 6i 165-173yd.
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So are you saying that I should have hit the CG7 futher and that the PX has a tighter dispersion than S300 Because really thats all I seen different in the clubs is that I was a tad more accurate with the PX But the guy fitting me said he thought if i went with that shaft I needed a 5.5 and that is pretty much equal to the S300
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Yes, farther, and depending on swing mechanics possibly more dispersion - then with PX. DG S300 and PX 6.0 - can't be equal because PX 6.0 is much stiffer. PX 5.5 sounds more like it. To effectively benefit from PX 6.0 the user has to have SS to flex them. When I hit S300 I get a different trajectory and not as much distance as with PX 6.0, reason - I flex the shaft so much the tip lags; that translates into dispersion and lose of distance because of my fast tempo and hands through impact. That's also reason I am better with a stiff butt and tip shaft like PX.

Keep in mind, if you hit S300's well then you won't realize max distance with PX 6.0; that's not to say you can't hit it. Kinda like benefiting from a low-spin distance ball like Callaway i(z), and still getting it to spin around the greens... If I couldn't compress it, I won't benefit from it's profile and realize distance.
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I swing pretty hard around 88 ss with 7i and im like you a pretty fast transition, so do you think i would benefit from the x forged with PX 6.0?
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A qualified fitter that sees your swing would know the best profile. The only time I suggest shaft profiles is when I watch someone play golf (not at the range) with the shaft in question. Reason is what we do on the range, and in a golf store on a simulator, and how we swing on the course when play the game is too often completely different. I've watched guys try their darnedest to increase their SS in both places, yet playing they don't swing nearly as hard. It might be for that very reason the guy fitting you suggested 5.5.

[Yepyukon]

I was in a similar situation a month or so ago. Was playing Mizuno MP-62 and wanted to change to either Cleveland CG7 Tour BP or Callaway X-Forged '09. Hit them both and the Cally felt better. Currently using Project X Flighted 6.0 shafts but thinking of switching to Tour Concept X-100 shafts.

[drew4008]

Right now, on the spot, in your mind... which ones are you leaning towards? Go with that set, or else you'll be second guessing yourself on every mishit (whether justifiably or not lol)

[justhackin]

Listen to Pepper above and see if you can take them to the course. Both of those shafts should behave/feel different. I have played both and while I hit them both fine at the range on the course I had a definite preference for one of them.

Granted I don't play flexes that stiff but still there should be some difference.

hackin

[Longdriver295]

well Drew im leaning toward the cleveland I really do like those irons and i think the shaft being a little softer will be better I hit X100 right now and the distance is just not what it should be I think thats why the fitter I went to said to go with a little softer shaft because it bewill help on distance and not lose much accuracy. So as of right now it looks like i will be going with CG7 tour. I do have a cleveland driver and putter that I love so I don't think I could go wrong with them.

[drew4008]

[quote name='Longdriver295' timestamp='1296740140' post='2948263'] I do have a cleveland driver and putter that I love so I don't think I could go wrong with them.
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Yup, and your avatar is the CG emblem... so I think your mind's made up haha.

[78blades]

I agree with what Turbopepper has posted. My 2 cents is there really isn't that much difference between PX 5.5 and 6.0 non flighted; the flighted shafts are a little softer compared to the non flighted. Although I'm not a Callaway fan my vote would go to the X forged with the PX shafts. I'm also think'n that Callaways will hold there value better should you decide to sell them. PX shafts work very well with ppl who have a quick transition. I have a very smooth transition and can play PX non flighted 5.0-6.0 w/o problems, but my 6i ss is around 89 mph. DG's are good shafts, but put more spin on the ball and I can't remember if they have one of the highest or lowest trajectories--I bet Mr pepper would know. At present PX is my iron shaft of choice.

[Longdriver295]

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I agree with what Turbopepper has posted. My 2 cents is there really isn't that much difference between PX 5.5 and 6.0 non flighted; the flighted shafts are a little softer compared to the non flighted. Although I'm not a Callaway fan my vote would go to the X forged with the PX shafts. I'm also think'n that Callaways will hold there value better should you decide to sell them. PX shafts work very well with ppl who have a quick transition. I have a very smooth transition and can play PX non flighted 5.0-6.0 w/o problems, but my 6i ss is around 89 mph. DG's are good shafts, but put more spin on the ball and I can't remember if they have one of the highest or lowest trajectories--I bet Mr pepper would know. At present PX is my iron shaft of choice.
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The DG is a lower trajectory shaft that too is another reason im leaning toward it because I hit the ball fairly high so That would help a little too, when I hit the irons the trajectories were pretty much the same but they were both lower than my current ballflight.

[gphin305]

Here's my experience......I'm an 8 hdcp index.....playing over 40 years....solid iron play......distance wise hit my 7 iron around 150. I've played the last four years with "07 model x forged with PX6.0 flighted. Previously played with Titleist 690CB's with S300. I've loved these x forged clubs. Last fall, I demoed an "09 x forged with PX5.5 (along with some other brands/models). I thought I could tell a small difference in a little higher ball flight with the 5.5 but hit both mine and the demo same distance. My swing speed is around 90 so the 5.5's should be a better fit but I could hardly tell the difference. Swing speed isn't everything....I've been told I "load" the club well with my (somewhat short backswing). I planned to keep another year but because Callaway is now out with new models, the price of the 09s have dropped substantially. When I saw a brand new set (4-pw) from a reputable ebay seller for $319 and free shipping, I couldn't pass it up and bought them. Seller only had the PX6.0 available so I'll wait another 3-4 years before switching from a stiff shaft. These clubs are still $699-799 at the retailers. So if everything else is so close with your decision, maybe price should be the deciding factor.....and you'll have saved enough for a new driver!! At these prices (I was willing to pay up to $400), I can't believe these irons aren't the best deal going right now. Good luck.

Ps......also play a cleveland hibore xl driver that I can't give up.....refitted with GD Tour AD.....must have got a good one because it goes as far as any other new model I've recently demoed.

[Longdriver295]

its really not coming down to shafts both shafts play pretty close for me with little differences. It is coming down to which one I really like looking down at and which is the more solid feeling club.

[Pepperturbo]

A great many club heads are easy to look at - and feel good. The difference is how well the head marries with shaft characteristics, the club fitting your ability, and what you "might" do with them. I learned long ago in combat and business preparation that worse case scenarios are the best planning tools. Plan for the worse hope for the best.

So when a friend suggested I test the 6i during a round, I did. I took 6 iron, SW, LW and Putter out for 18 holes from the 6200yd White tee's at a relatively easy course. I hit the crap out that that 6i. At times trying to cover distances of a 5 and 4i, and other times make it act like an 8/9i with bump and run shots. One Par 5 hole I hit it 186yds with bounce off the tee, then 170yds off the deck, etc. The first day I finished with 85... 2nd 86. To say this ole man was pooped after each day is an understatement. I was swinging as hard as I could on some holes. The shaft stood up. I ordered 2-PW that Monday morning, and haven't looked back. I've recorded my lowest sub par rounds since.

[Longdriver295]

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A great many club heads are easy to look at - and feel good. The difference is how well the head marries with shaft characteristics, the club fitting your ability, and what you "might" do with them. I learned long ago in combat and business preparation that worse case scenarios are the best planning tools. Plan for the worse hope for the best.

So when a friend suggested I test the 6i during a round, I did. I took 6 iron, SW, LW and Putter out for 18 holes from the 6200yd White tee's at a relatively easy course. I hit the crap out that that 6i. At times trying to cover distances of a 5 or 4i and others times make it act like an 8/9i with bump and runs. One hole I hit it 186yds with bounce. The first day I finished with 85... 2nd 86. To say this ole man was pooped after each day is an understatement. I was swinging as hard as I could on some holes. The shaft stood up. I ordered 2-PW that Monday morning, and haven't looked back. I've recorded my lowest sub par rounds since.
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Thats true but with me I cannot take clubs from a shop to the course to try them so i have to go on numbers from a LM. Me being a 4 HC and the shafts being that close Im really starting to think that i will be fine with either set and am leaning more and more toward the clevelands because i can get them new cheaper than the callaway