Lower spin balls vs Higher spin balls

[Longdriver295]

This gets so confusing! Does higher spinning balls go futher off Tee than Lower spinning balls? Lets say if a person hits kinda down with his driver and creates more spin would he benefit from playing a higher spinning ball or would a low spinning ball make them gain distance? I know that a higher spin ball will spin more around the greens But it also could hurt distance if the player is a High spin player. Im playing 2 Balls right now the Gamer V2 and the srixon AD333 and off the Tee they seem bout the same in distance and the Gamer is suppose to spin more than the ad333. You would think that the gamer being a 3 peice and spins more that it would be longer than the AD333. Just curious what others think about this subject.

 

 

[Pepperturbo]

All depends on your impact angle and SS. If too steep and not fast enough, high spin ball will spin too much and likely come up short of your potential. If I get the slightest bit lazy during my swing my impact angle will be too steep, adding spin. Its for that reason I play Callaway's i(z). I've tested their i(s) "high spin" ball. Its great off driver but doesn't go nearly as far as i(z).

IMO too many people play balls like ProV's and ProV1x's that should be playing more distance balls. They don't have the SS or reasonable impact angle to realize the benefits of premium 4 piece balls. I see it often and ask why. Common response is they like how it behaves around the green. Unfortunately, they don't have the short game to really benefit their either. But, to each his own.

[slickpitt]

It really just completely depends. There is a happy median. For instance:

Driver:
- A ball with 100 RPM of spin is just going to knuckle and go nowhere.
- A ball with 10,000 RPM of spin is going to balloon and go basically nowhere.
- For me and my launch angle.. a ball with around 3,000 RPM is good for me.

There's all kinds of factors. Like hitting into the wind... lots of backspin is going to chew up the distance. Just need to find what works for you.

[bcflyguy1]

Differences in spin don't become really obvious until you get inside the yardage for a full wedge. Titleist is urging prospective customers to choose their ball based on short game performance because all of their balls will be within 3-5 yards of each other off the tee for the vast majority of players. Golf Digest posted a very helpful chart showing the difference in launch angle and spin rates on partial wedge shots for most of the balls on the market about a year ago. They also said in that article that differences in distance/launch angle/spin rates across the spectrum of balls tested were negligible.

[Longdriver295]

[quote name='bcflyguy1' timestamp='1300211778' post='3057590']
Differences in spin don't become really obvious until you get inside the yardage for a full wedge. Titleist is urging prospective customers to choose their ball based on short game performance because all of their balls will be within 3-5 yards of each other off the tee for the vast majority of players. Golf Digest posted a very helpful chart showing the difference in launch angle and spin rates on partial wedge shots for most of the balls on the market about a year ago. They also said in that article that differences in distance/launch angle/spin rates across the spectrum of balls tested were negligible.
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That really is just hard to believe, Ive hit balls off Tee that would go 290 yds consistently But you hit a 8 iron into the middle of the green and it would bounce slap of the back and im a high spin player. IMO if you start playing a ball that spins like crazy on the greens you gonna give up a good bit of distance off the Tee! I would just love to find one ball That I could consistently drive 275 (with my 105 SS) and get just 1/2-3/4 the spin of a premium ball. The 2 for me that are that close are the gamer V2 and the AD333 but im only carrying those 240-250 because I have way to much backspin off my driver.

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='bcflyguy1' timestamp='1300211778' post='3057590']
Differences in spin don't become really obvious until you get inside the yardage for a full wedge. Titleist is urging prospective customers to choose their ball based on short game performance because all of their balls will be within 3-5 yards of each other off the tee for the vast majority of players. Golf Digest posted a very helpful chart showing the difference in launch angle and spin rates on partial wedge shots for most of the balls on the market about a year ago. They also said in that article that differences in distance/launch angle/spin rates across the spectrum of balls tested were negligible.
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What titleist says is likley to support their marketing theories - which often times have nothing to do with what we golfers expereince and everything to do with selling product to the broadest market possible. Its for that reason I ignore equipment articles in golf rags. Sure, some has a ring of truth, but most has the greater purpose to sell.

That said, personal testing always outweighs whats found on the internet or websites. I hit low spin balls farther then high spin... that's why they differentiate is profile. Plus 5-10 yards makes a difference for some golfers, myself included; it can mean a club difference. Last wkend without paying attention I pulled a ball from my bag on a short Par 4. After hitting I said, gosh, thought I hit that well, but it didn't seem to go expected distance, so I pulled another i(z), hit it with the same 2 iron, it "carried" past the other ball. I didn't realize till I go to my first ball that the first was a old ix. There was a 14 yard difference. So, there's no way Titliest can say there's no big difference. I know when I strike the ball well and when I don't.

[Cornbread]

[quote name='bcflyguy1' timestamp='1300211778' post='3057590']
Differences in spin don't become really obvious until you get inside the yardage for a full wedge. Titleist is urging prospective customers to choose their ball based on short game performance because all of their balls will be within 3-5 yards of each other off the tee for the vast majority of players. Golf Digest posted a very helpful chart showing the difference in launch angle and spin rates on partial wedge shots for most of the balls on the market about a year ago. They also said in that article that differences in distance/launch angle/spin rates across the spectrum of balls tested were negligible.
[/quote]

Amen.
Oh, and 'negligible' means very very little !

[Cornbread]

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[quote name='bcflyguy1' timestamp='1300211778' post='3057590']
Differences in spin don't become really obvious until you get inside the yardage for a full wedge. Titleist is urging prospective customers to choose their ball based on short game performance because all of their balls will be within 3-5 yards of each other off the tee for the vast majority of players. Golf Digest posted a very helpful chart showing the difference in launch angle and spin rates on partial wedge shots for most of the balls on the market about a year ago. They also said in that article that differences in distance/launch angle/spin rates across the spectrum of balls tested were negligible.
[/quote]

I hit low spin balls farther then high spin... that's why they differentiate is profile. Plus 5-10 yards makes a difference for some golfers, myself included; it can mean a club difference. Last wkend without paying attention I pulled a ball from my bag on a short Par 4. After hitting I said, gosh, thought I hit that well, but it didn't seem to go expected distance, so I pulled another i(z), hit it with the same 2 iron, it "carried" past the other ball. I didn't realize till I go to my first ball that the first was a old ix. There was a 14 yard difference. So, there's no way Titliest can say there's no big difference. I know when I strike the ball well and when I don't.
[/quote]
But you are no Iron Byron. Your swing speed and angles change each swing, let alone the varying wind conditions..
FACT: No quality golf ballsl today will have over a 8 or 9 yard maximun flight difference... even when hit at swing speeds of 115+. Its simply physics based on the specifications that all balls must meet.

[Longdriver295]

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[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1300215942' post='3057798']
[quote name='bcflyguy1' timestamp='1300211778' post='3057590']
Differences in spin don't become really obvious until you get inside the yardage for a full wedge. Titleist is urging prospective customers to choose their ball based on short game performance because all of their balls will be within 3-5 yards of each other off the tee for the vast majority of players. Golf Digest posted a very helpful chart showing the difference in launch angle and spin rates on partial wedge shots for most of the balls on the market about a year ago. They also said in that article that differences in distance/launch angle/spin rates across the spectrum of balls tested were negligible.
[/quote]

I hit low spin balls farther then high spin... that's why they differentiate is profile. Plus 5-10 yards makes a difference for some golfers, myself included; it can mean a club difference. Last wkend without paying attention I pulled a ball from my bag on a short Par 4. After hitting I said, gosh, thought I hit that well, but it didn't seem to go expected distance, so I pulled another i(z), hit it with the same 2 iron, it "carried" past the other ball. I didn't realize till I go to my first ball that the first was a old ix. There was a 14 yard difference. So, there's no way Titliest can say there's no big difference. I know when I strike the ball well and when I don't.
[/quote]
But you are no Iron Byron. Your swing speed and angles change each swing, let alone the varying wind conditions..
FACT: No quality golf ballsl today will have over a 8 or 9 yard maximun flight difference... even when hit at swing speeds of 115+. Its simply physics based on the specifications that all balls must meet.
[/quote]


Thats not completely right! If thats true that there is no more distance difference than that then WHY are there DISTANCE balls like pinacle that you can hit 300yds and then there is those real soft spinny balls that only go 270-280 off Tee? Its not because one swing you swing 120 then the next you swing 105 they are a lot of distance differences in different balls whether you think so or not!

[storm3]

[quote name='Cornbread' timestamp='1300223295' post='3058164']
[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1300215942' post='3057798']
[quote name='bcflyguy1' timestamp='1300211778' post='3057590']
Differences in spin don't become really obvious until you get inside the yardage for a full wedge. Titleist is urging prospective customers to choose their ball based on short game performance because all of their balls will be within 3-5 yards of each other off the tee for the vast majority of players. Golf Digest posted a very helpful chart showing the difference in launch angle and spin rates on partial wedge shots for most of the balls on the market about a year ago. They also said in that article that differences in distance/launch angle/spin rates across the spectrum of balls tested were negligible.
[/quote]

I hit low spin balls farther then high spin... that's why they differentiate is profile. Plus 5-10 yards makes a difference for some golfers, myself included; it can mean a club difference. Last wkend without paying attention I pulled a ball from my bag on a short Par 4. After hitting I said, gosh, thought I hit that well, but it didn't seem to go expected distance, so I pulled another i(z), hit it with the same 2 iron, it "carried" past the other ball. I didn't realize till I go to my first ball that the first was a old ix. There was a 14 yard difference. So, there's no way Titliest can say there's no big difference. I know when I strike the ball well and when I don't.
[/quote]
But you are no Iron Byron. Your swing speed and angles change each swing, let alone the varying wind conditions..
FACT: No quality golf ballsl today will have over a 8 or 9 yard maximun flight difference... even when hit at swing speeds of 115+. Its simply physics based on the specifications that all balls must meet.
[/quote]

The USGA does not test balls at every possible combination of attack angle and swing speed. It is possible for someone to see more than a 10 yard difference if they switch from a ball that doesnt fit them to one that does, but it is not common.

[Pepperturbo]

[quote name='Cornbread' timestamp='1300223295' post='3058164']
[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1300215942' post='3057798']
[quote name='bcflyguy1' timestamp='1300211778' post='3057590']
Differences in spin don't become really obvious until you get inside the yardage for a full wedge. Titleist is urging prospective customers to choose their ball based on short game performance because all of their balls will be within 3-5 yards of each other off the tee for the vast majority of players. Golf Digest posted a very helpful chart showing the difference in launch angle and spin rates on partial wedge shots for most of the balls on the market about a year ago. They also said in that article that differences in distance/launch angle/spin rates across the spectrum of balls tested were negligible.
[/quote]

I hit low spin balls farther then high spin... that's why they differentiate is profile. Plus 5-10 yards makes a difference for some golfers, myself included; it can mean a club difference. Last wkend without paying attention I pulled a ball from my bag on a short Par 4. After hitting I said, gosh, thought I hit that well, but it didn't seem to go expected distance, so I pulled another i(z), hit it with the same 2 iron, it "carried" past the other ball. I didn't realize till I go to my first ball that the first was a old ix. There was a 14 yard difference. So, there's no way Titliest can say there's no big difference. I know when I strike the ball well and when I don't.
[/quote]
But you are no Iron Byron. Your swing speed and angles change each swing, let alone the varying wind conditions..
FACT: No quality golf ballsl today will have over a 8 or 9 yard maximun flight difference... even when hit at swing speeds of 115+. Its simply physics based on the specifications that all balls must meet.
[/quote]

thanks for that obvious comment, and you're right, I am NOT Iron Byron. Do you actually think you're the only one that's aware of IB? I surely hope not. Even though I can't measure you to IB, as he has calibrations, varying SS and attack angles, I am, for a near scratch golfer quite consistent when it comes to measuring my carry yardages. Believe what you choose, doesn't mean we have to believe your statement or that you're an authority. Physics yeah, that's what each golfer takes into account when he/she hits the ball and determines which, high spin or low spin ball benefits them... 8-9 yds, baloney.

You in advertising???? ... or... which ever, what I said in my earlier post stands, and that's all that matters to me.

[Cornbread]

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[quote name='Cornbread' timestamp='1300223295' post='3058164']
[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1300215942' post='3057798']
[quote name='bcflyguy1' timestamp='1300211778' post='3057590']
Differences in spin don't become really obvious until you get inside the yardage for a full wedge. Titleist is urging prospective customers to choose their ball based on short game performance because all of their balls will be within 3-5 yards of each other off the tee for the vast majority of players. Golf Digest posted a very helpful chart showing the difference in launch angle and spin rates on partial wedge shots for most of the balls on the market about a year ago. They also said in that article that differences in distance/launch angle/spin rates across the spectrum of balls tested were negligible.
[/quote]

I hit low spin balls farther then high spin... that's why they differentiate is profile. Plus 5-10 yards makes a difference for some golfers, myself included; it can mean a club difference. Last wkend without paying attention I pulled a ball from my bag on a short Par 4. After hitting I said, gosh, thought I hit that well, but it didn't seem to go expected distance, so I pulled another i(z), hit it with the same 2 iron, it "carried" past the other ball. I didn't realize till I go to my first ball that the first was a old ix. There was a 14 yard difference. So, there's no way Titliest can say there's no big difference. I know when I strike the ball well and when I don't.
[/quote]
But you are no Iron Byron. Your swing speed and angles change each swing, let alone the varying wind conditions..
FACT: No quality golf ballsl today will have over a 8 or 9 yard maximun flight difference... even when hit at swing speeds of 115+. Its simply physics based on the specifications that all balls must meet.
[/quote]


If thats true that there is no more distance difference than that then WHY are there DISTANCE balls like pinacle that you can hit 300yds and then there is those real soft spinny balls that only go 270-280 off Tee? Its not because one swing you swing 120 then the next you swing 105 they are a lot of distance differences in different balls whether you think so or not!
[/quote]

So now you talking about 20 to 30 yards difference between balls!!!
You are entitled to you opinion, however testing and facts prove it to be questionable.
Do this... go spend 4 years researching test data, talk to operators of ball testing centers, formulate ball data and test results into documents, take a class in physics, read the USGA documents/specifications for legal golf balls, study effects of ball compression on flight, test 40 to 50 different balls with a Driver, get a PGA Pro with a swing speed of 119 hit 10 different balls with different clubs, measure the results, research the formulation used in Launch Monitor calculations, disect 50 different ball types, do the homework, then like me, you can speak facts not feelings.

[Longdriver295]

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[quote name='bcflyguy1' timestamp='1300211778' post='3057590']
Differences in spin don't become really obvious until you get inside the yardage for a full wedge. Titleist is urging prospective customers to choose their ball based on short game performance because all of their balls will be within 3-5 yards of each other off the tee for the vast majority of players. Golf Digest posted a very helpful chart showing the difference in launch angle and spin rates on partial wedge shots for most of the balls on the market about a year ago. They also said in that article that differences in distance/launch angle/spin rates across the spectrum of balls tested were negligible.
[/quote]

I hit low spin balls farther then high spin... that's why they differentiate is profile. Plus 5-10 yards makes a difference for some golfers, myself included; it can mean a club difference. Last wkend without paying attention I pulled a ball from my bag on a short Par 4. After hitting I said, gosh, thought I hit that well, but it didn't seem to go expected distance, so I pulled another i(z), hit it with the same 2 iron, it "carried" past the other ball. I didn't realize till I go to my first ball that the first was a old ix. There was a 14 yard difference. So, there's no way Titliest can say there's no big difference. I know when I strike the ball well and when I don't.
[/quote]
But you are no Iron Byron. Your swing speed and angles change each swing, let alone the varying wind conditions..
FACT: No quality golf ballsl today will have over a 8 or 9 yard maximun flight difference... even when hit at swing speeds of 115+. Its simply physics based on the specifications that all balls must meet.
[/quote]


If thats true that there is no more distance difference than that then WHY are there DISTANCE balls like pinacle that you can hit 300yds and then there is those real soft spinny balls that only go 270-280 off Tee? Its not because one swing you swing 120 then the next you swing 105 they are a lot of distance differences in different balls whether you think so or not!
[/quote]

So now you talking about 20 to 30 yards difference between balls!!!
You are entitled to you opinion, however testing and facts prove it to be questionable.
Do this... go spend 4 years researching test data, talk to operators of ball testing centers, formulate ball data and test results into documents, take a class in physics, read the USGA documents/specifications for legal golf balls, study effects of ball compression on flight, test 40 to 50 different balls with a Driver, research the formulation used in Launch Monitor calculations, disect 50 differnet ball types, do the homework, then like me, you can speak facts not feelings.
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were not talking ROBOT test with a 95mph SS. Out on the course they are considerable differences in distance with different balls and it is more than any 8-9 yds! You really gonna tell me that a pro V is only gonna go 8 yds futher than lets say a Top flite D2 feel, I don't think so! You take both those balls and put 110 SS on them both off the screws and then come back and tell me The pro v only went 8 yds futher and i will fall on my knees laughing in your face!

[NakMan]

No better ball for chipping & putting for me than a ProV1.

With that being said I've long stayed away from them as I always felt I got too much spin off the driver with them.

Have like 4-5 dozen in my garage collecting dust. Then a few weeks back was heading out to course and realized I was out of both the Bridgestone B330s and the Cally Tour i (z) I've been taking a liking to.

Brought the ProVs and had a great day off the T.

Then a couple weeks later had a tremendous weekend driving the ball with the tour iz.

So yesterday I'm playing a late afternoon round. Course wide open so I figure I'll play two off the T. One a ProV and the other the iz. Two longest of the day were with the ProV.

Last drive of the day was 293 into what was a decent crossing wind. GPS verified. That was the ProV. Never put one out that far on 18 as it is always playing into a wind.

The iz does seem longer off of my irons and actually had plenty of check on the greens. And the greens on this course are firm & fast.

Overall I think the iz is longer and that I just happen to nut the ProV to put it out there.

With that being said, my hesitation to game the ProV1 is gone and I can finally burn through those balls in my garage.

Also hit a nice baby draw from 205 out with the ball sitting up in some like rough. Put it within 4 feet. Loving that Adams SH.

And yes I made the birdie putt....

[Pepperturbo]

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[quote name='bcflyguy1' timestamp='1300211778' post='3057590']
Differences in spin don't become really obvious until you get inside the yardage for a full wedge. Titleist is urging prospective customers to choose their ball based on short game performance because all of their balls will be within 3-5 yards of each other off the tee for the vast majority of players. Golf Digest posted a very helpful chart showing the difference in launch angle and spin rates on partial wedge shots for most of the balls on the market about a year ago. They also said in that article that differences in distance/launch angle/spin rates across the spectrum of balls tested were negligible.
[/quote]

I hit low spin balls farther then high spin... that's why they differentiate is profile. Plus 5-10 yards makes a difference for some golfers, myself included; it can mean a club difference. Last wkend without paying attention I pulled a ball from my bag on a short Par 4. After hitting I said, gosh, thought I hit that well, but it didn't seem to go expected distance, so I pulled another i(z), hit it with the same 2 iron, it "carried" past the other ball. I didn't realize till I go to my first ball that the first was a old ix. There was a 14 yard difference. So, there's no way Titliest can say there's no big difference. I know when I strike the ball well and when I don't.
[/quote]

But you are no Iron Byron. Your swing speed and angles change each swing, let alone the varying wind conditions..
FACT: No quality golf ballsl today will have over a 8 or 9 yard maximun flight difference... even when hit at swing speeds of 115+. Its simply physics based on the specifications that all balls must meet.
[/quote]

I played today using Callaway i(z) and i(s) ... they performed similarly inside of 120yds, and around the green. However, with driver, 4wood and 2i, i(z) was easily longer by 10-15yds longer. I used skycaddie and paced off yardages too. I(z) was straighter and low to medium high trajectory because of it's low spin profile. On one Par 5, driver finished 265yds with i(z), 251yds i(s) and a higher trajectory, plus it was in the rough. Once again, I am not a IB - but, who is, and who would give a rats back side to compare themselves to what IB does. We humans never hit the ball exactly the same every time so comparing ourselves to IB's consistency would not only be silly, it would be misleading.

[ktkn]

Golf balls have 2 spin ratings.

One rating is off the tee. I guess this is the "forgiveness" of a golf ball. The Lower the spin off the tee, the more forgiving it will be. Your slice won't slice as much, and your hook won't hook as much (but of course a slice is still a slice and a hook is still a hook).

The other rating is for short irons. The higher the spin rating, the more "bite" it will have on the green, the more it will check up, etc.

Conclusion: TWO different spin ratings for any particular ball. The most desired spin rating is to have a L-H, which is Low spin off the tee, and High spin for short irons.

If there is a more updated list, please do share:
[url="http://www.usga.org/ConformingGolfBall/gball_list.pdf"]http://www.usga.org/ConformingGolfBall/gball_list.pdf[/url]

[storm3]

[quote name='ktkn' timestamp='1300700113' post='3073607']
Golf balls have 2 spin ratings.

One rating is off the tee. I guess this is the "forgiveness" of a golf ball. The Lower the spin off the tee, the more forgiving it will be. Your slice won't slice as much, and your hook won't hook as much (but of course a slice is still a slice and a hook is still a hook).

The other rating is for short irons. The higher the spin rating, the more "bite" it will have on the green, the more it will check up, etc.

Conclusion: TWO different spin ratings for any particular ball. The most desired spin rating is to have a L-H, which is Low spin off the tee, and High spin for short irons.

If there is a more updated list, please do share:
[url="http://www.usga.org/ConformingGolfBall/gball_list.pdf"]http://www.usga.org/.../gball_list.pdf[/url]


[/quote]

Good explaination. However, the USGA lists the Callaway is/iz as L-M yet the older i/ix as L-H? Or the Srixon Trispeed Tour as L-L yet the AD333 as M-H?

[deion1]

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[quote name='bcflyguy1' timestamp='1300211778' post='3057590']
Differences in spin don't become really obvious until you get inside the yardage for a full wedge. Titleist is urging prospective customers to choose their ball based on short game performance because all of their balls will be within 3-5 yards of each other off the tee for the vast majority of players. Golf Digest posted a very helpful chart showing the difference in launch angle and spin rates on partial wedge shots for most of the balls on the market about a year ago. They also said in that article that differences in distance/launch angle/spin rates across the spectrum of balls tested were negligible.
[/quote]

I hit low spin balls farther then high spin... that's why they differentiate is profile. Plus 5-10 yards makes a difference for some golfers, myself included; it can mean a club difference. Last wkend without paying attention I pulled a ball from my bag on a short Par 4. After hitting I said, gosh, thought I hit that well, but it didn't seem to go expected distance, so I pulled another i(z), hit it with the same 2 iron, it "carried" past the other ball. I didn't realize till I go to my first ball that the first was a old ix. There was a 14 yard difference. So, there's no way Titliest can say there's no big difference. I know when I strike the ball well and when I don't.
[/quote]
But you are no Iron Byron. Your swing speed and angles change each swing, let alone the varying wind conditions..
FACT: No quality golf ballsl today will have over a 8 or 9 yard maximun flight difference... even when hit at swing speeds of 115+. Its simply physics based on the specifications that all balls must meet.
[/quote]


Thats not completely right! If thats true that there is no more distance difference than that then WHY are there DISTANCE balls like pinacle that you can hit 300yds and then there is those real soft spinny balls that only go 270-280 off Tee? Its not because one swing you swing 120 then the next you swing 105 they are a lot of distance differences in different balls whether you think so or not!
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Fully agree!....if not[i] [/i]why bother buying a ProV...we might as well be hitting range balls...spin & compression of a ball do affect the distance that it travels hence its not unrealistic to see difference in distance with different balls...

[dlygrisse]

In the days of balata balls either spun a lot or they didnt, with both the wedge and the driver. Today balls like the ProV will spin with the wedges, but not spin so much with the driver, best of both worlds. In fact some of the "distance" balls may spin more with the driver but less with the wedges, worst of both worlds, so don't jump to conclusions when thinking a ball spins. This is one of the main reasons pros hit it so much farther today, they have a ball that spins a lot with the short game but they can reduce spin with the driver, this IMO has had as much impact on PGA driving distance as the oversized driver and the graphite shaft.