KBS Tour vs. Dynamic Gold

[PingDrv00]

Options narrowing down, sorry for a similar thread

I think, that I have finally narrowed it down to either the KBS Tour, or Dynamic Gold. I was able to go to Golf Galaxy today, and hit all the options although not in the same head. I hit the C-Taper, loved it too much money though. If it were not for the upcharge, they would be my first pick. I also hit Project X, good, but not great for me. I hit the KBS tour, great feel on good shots, but felt like I had to wait on the shafts a bit too much. I have a bit of a quick tempo. They did yield great distance though. I am leaning towards just plain old Dynamic Gold. I think they seem to be the easiest to hit if that makes sense. The KBS Tours were great, but seem to be more of a swingers shaft versus a hitters shaft. I just need a bit more convincing to pull the trigger. I know I have had a few shafts posts, but I am trying to keep peace in the house and doing a bit more research than normal to limit this years hoing.

[jpalermo]

I play the KBS, switched from DG's because of trajectory. DG'S were low and felt heavy. But as you mention I am more of a swinger. If you like the DG'S and feel you hit them better, get em. They are the tried and true. FWIW I hated the PX and they were a lot shorter and harsher than the KBS. I can see how you would feel about the KBS's in terms of having to wait on them. If I get too quick, I sort of feel the same thing.

[PingDrv00]

[quote name='jpalermo' timestamp='1330409200' post='4393629']
I play the KBS, switched from DG's because of trajectory. DG'S were low and felt heavy. But as you mention I am more of a swinger. If you like the DG'S and feel you hit them better, get em. They are the tried and true. FWIW I hated the PX and they were a lot shorter and harsher than the KBS. I can see how you would feel about the KBS's in terms of having to wait on them. If I get too quick, I sort of feel the same thing.
[/quote]

I just wanted to make sure that I was not crazy in what I was feeling. I wll say that I think on better swings the KBS shafts were a bit longer, but the problem was the consistency. I never thought tempo would play such a role on the shaft selection, but then I remembered a few of the main KBS Tour players, Els and Olgilvy who both have a silky smooth swing.

[Clubtuner]

Do you know which one gave you the tightest dispersion, and or distance control?
Everybody is going to load shafts differently, have to look at launch conditions,
distance if that's important to you, and shot dispersion. (which your going to have the most control with)
Did a fitting yesterday with someone that was playing X-100's +1" for years. Came down to DG's, KBS Tours,
and the new Nippon Modus 3. He liked the feel of the Nippons, but was all over the map with them,
DG's, no feel and too low of launch and spin, KBS Tour won hands down for Him.
Not recommending any particular shaft over the another, just make a an informed decision on what's
important to you.

[PingDrv00]

[quote name='Clubtuner' timestamp='1330431159' post='4394135']
Do you know which one gave you the tightest dispersion, and or distance control?
Everybody is going to load shafts differently, have to look at launch conditions,
distance if that's important to you, and shot dispersion. (which your going to have the most control with)
Did a fitting yesterday with someone that was playing X-100's +1" for years. Came down to DG's, KBS Tours,
and the new Nippon Modus 3. He liked the feel of the Nippons, but was all over the map with them,
DG's, no feel and too low of launch and spin, KBS Tour won hands down for Him.
Not recommending any particular shaft over the another, just make a an informed decision on what's
important to you.
[/quote]

I really hit the majority of the shafts pretty close. I tend to be a bit of a feel player, and on great shots the KBS Tours are good; but for some reason on other swings I tend to end up with a toe strike. The C-Tapers and the Dynamic Golds are real close, they seem to have a similar feel, as well as launch and trajectory. The KBS options tend to go a bit further, and like every golfer I want the longest most controllable shaft. I wish we had some better fitters in the area, but we are lacking in that area. I read a few posts from Joe Kwok, and he mentioned that he fits for feel first, and than to performance. Do you have any other folks that express the thought of the KBS being more of a swinger, than hitters shaft. Also, is there any truth to the inconsistences in sets that folks are expressing regarding the C-Tapers?

[station2station]

That's quite a pair - like saying I've narrowed it down to being republican or democrat. (not a political post- Just demonstrating polar opposites.)

KBS is relatively lightweight and launches fairly high.
DG is the heaviest made and launches low and penetrating.

[Puppetmaster]

I like both KBS Tour and Dynamic Gold. As already posted, KBS Tours launch high, while the DGs are low launch. If you need to lower the flight a little with KBS Tours, I'd recommend hardstepping them, because that still gives you the KBS feel but with lower launch and spin. I have Dynamic Golds in one set and KBS Tours hardstepped in another and while the KBS still launch slightly higher, it is a big improvement from KBS straight in. However, overall profiles are still very different, so remember that sometimes a shaft just works (or doesn't) depending on how you load it.

[skibmg]

I was fit into KBS tours a few years back now, based on distance and dispersion. When going through my fitting I can say that I liked the feel of KBS and DG best over PX, etc. However, after two years of playing now I can honestly say that I need to go back to DG. I can feel my tempo getting off with KBS and need to take as smooth a swing as possible with them. I have found that toe misses are the most common with my KBS. So I am going back to DG in the same heads via a resift as I can't swing the price of a new set right now.

[mukster]

Mizuno shaft optimizer recommended KBS Tour, DG S300 and PX 5.5 for me. I really noticed very little difference in feel between the KBS and the DG, the 5.5 felt harsh to me. The DG gave me a lower ball flight, which I liked. Ended up with DG SL S300, ball flight still lower for me than the KBS, with a lighter shaft, I really like the feel.

No I did not ignore the Mizuno shaft optimizer results, I bought a set of irons with the SL S300s in them and will quite easily buy them again.

[PingDrv00]

[quote name='skibmg' timestamp='1330448000' post='4395565']
I was fit into KBS tours a few years back now, based on distance and dispersion. When going through my fitting I can say that I liked the feel of KBS and DG best over PX, etc. However, after two years of playing now I can honestly say that I need to go back to DG. I can feel my tempo getting off with KBS and need to take as smooth a swing as possible with them. I have found that toe misses are the most common with my KBS. So I am going back to DG in the same heads via a resift as I can't swing the price of a new set right now.
[/quote]

I thought I was the only was as well. I have the same tendency with KBS, my miss is always a toe hit. I seem to have to wait on the club a bit to get the best results. I know that DG is heavy, but I think it may help iron out the inconsistency in my swing. I like the KBS distance and feel, but I am not sure it may be the best choice.

[RobS14526]

Sooner or later you're going to decide that you should have gotten the C-Taper that you really loved, so between the DG and KB Tours you might as well get the cheapest option.

Been there, done that.

[PingDrv00]

[quote name='RobS14526' timestamp='1330463580' post='4397333']
Sooner or later you're going to decide that you should have gotten the C-Taper that you really loved, so between the DG and KB Tours you might as well get the cheapest option.

Been there, done that.
[/quote]

The truth stings a bit. Be nice. I just wish there was a way I could hit a I20 with the C-Taper. The closest I can get is a R11 or MC from TM. I guess that would be a way to get a frame of reference?

[Redman]

[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1330402306' post='4393063']
I think, that I have finally narrowed it down to either the KBS Tour, or Dynamic Gold. I was able to go to Golf Galaxy today, and hit all the options although not in the same head. I hit the C-Taper, loved it too much money though. If it were not for the upcharge, they would be my first pick. I also hit Project X, good, but not great for me. I hit the KBS tour, great feel on good shots, but felt like I had to wait on the shafts a bit too much. I have a bit of a quick tempo. They did yield great distance though. I am leaning towards just plain old Dynamic Gold. I think they seem to be the easiest to hit if that makes sense. The KBS Tours were great, but seem to be more of a swingers shaft versus a hitters shaft. I just need a bit more convincing to pull the trigger. I know I have had a few shafts posts, but I am trying to keep peace in the house and doing a bit more research than normal to limit this years hoing.
[/quote]

If you hit the C Taper better and liked it better its worth the upcharge. I just got them over DG that I'd played my entire life and it was a great decision. I have a quick tempo and load the club hard like you and that is exactly what the C Tapers were made for. Might cost you a little more now but in a couple months of playing them you will be glad you spent it.

[PINGWRXforeme]

Getting fit is very key. I was playing DG for a few years because I was told they were " better, and most people like them". When I bought my first and current set of new irons ( all others were hand me downs) I thought I should get fit. Im a high ball hitter so I was very hesitant to try the KBS tour. It did launch a little higher than the DG for me, but the big key is it spins less and had better dispersion. Like mentioned above, good feeling shafts is only one part of the equation. I'd rather have good numbers and some feel.

[SwooshLT]

A little off topic but just put DG back into my irons......definitely heavier and apparently it is what my swing needs to keep my appropriate tempo.......all of the lighter shafts , say sub 120g had my natural swing tempo slower than I use.....with the heavy properly fitted iron , I can feel free to swing ......it worked well yesterday and I'm encouraged that my iron play is back to a more competent level....

[PingDrv00]

[quote name='SwooshLT' timestamp='1330514687' post='4401201']
A little off topic but just put DG back into my irons......definitely heavier and apparently it is what my swing needs to keep my appropriate tempo.......all of the lighter shafts , say sub 120g had my natural swing tempo slower than I use.....with the heavy properly fitted iron , I can feel free to swing ......it worked well yesterday and I'm encouraged that my iron play is back to a more competent level....
[/quote]

I have similar issues with the lighter weight shafts. I want to hit them, because I know lighter goes farther, but I tend to have issues figuring out how to make solid contact. I get off pace a bit, and it is hard to stay consistent. It seems though as soon as I pick up the heavier shafts DG in particular, things go back to normal. I this may actually point to some tempo and swing worked needed instead of new shafts, but I just don't have the opportunity.

[philsRHman]

I had a similar fitting. I liked the feel of the KBS a lot and hated the PX. And the DG felt "normal". Once we looked at the numbers, the dispersion with DG was head and shoulders above KBS Tour. I'm like you, fast tempo, heavy load. I got that fitting right before the c-taper came out. Later in the year, talking to my fitter at Hot Stix during a driver fitting said the c-taper might be the perfect fit. Since I couldn't afford to change irons I didn't even want to be fit and be tempted but I plan to this year.

[PingDrv00]

[quote name='philsRHman' timestamp='1330520097' post='4401385']
I had a similar fitting. I liked the feel of the KBS a lot and hated the PX. And the DG felt "normal". Once we looked at the numbers, the dispersion with DG was head and shoulders above KBS Tour. I'm like you, fast tempo, heavy load. I got that fitting right before the c-taper came out. Later in the year, talking to my fitter at Hot Stix during a driver fitting said the c-taper might be the perfect fit. Since I couldn't afford to change irons I didn't even want to be fit and be tempted but I plan to this year.
[/quote]

I guess the good news is I haven't dumped any money recently on a new set, but I do hate how high the upcharge is for th C-Taper. I was looking on the KBS site, and supposedly it is significantly longer than DG, and KBS Tour, and made for fast tempo swings. I just hate the upcharge.

[Puppetmaster]

[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1330529580' post='4402285']
[quote name='philsRHman' timestamp='1330520097' post='4401385']
I had a similar fitting. I liked the feel of the KBS a lot and hated the PX. And the DG felt "normal". Once we looked at the numbers, the dispersion with DG was head and shoulders above KBS Tour. I'm like you, fast tempo, heavy load. I got that fitting right before the c-taper came out. Later in the year, talking to my fitter at Hot Stix during a driver fitting said the c-taper might be the perfect fit. Since I couldn't afford to change irons I didn't even want to be fit and be tempted but I plan to this year.
[/quote]

I guess the good news is I haven't dumped any money recently on a new set, but I do hate how high the upcharge is for th C-Taper. I was looking on the KBS site, and supposedly it is significantly longer than DG, and KBS Tour, and made for fast tempo swings. I just hate the upcharge.
[/quote]

Your decision should be based on what you've already tried, not what the KBS site says. I demoed the C-Tapers on a Trackman and my numbers were not as good as with the Tours and DG. If the C-Tapers worked for you from the demo, use that as your basis for the decision. You can always wait a little longer and see if a set of pulls comes up for sale and save some money that way. Or like someone said, bite the bullet and spend the money, since those are what work for you.

[PingDrv00]

[quote name='Puppetmaster' timestamp='1330529829' post='4402307']
[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1330529580' post='4402285']
[quote name='philsRHman' timestamp='1330520097' post='4401385']
I had a similar fitting. I liked the feel of the KBS a lot and hated the PX. And the DG felt "normal". Once we looked at the numbers, the dispersion with DG was head and shoulders above KBS Tour. I'm like you, fast tempo, heavy load. I got that fitting right before the c-taper came out. Later in the year, talking to my fitter at Hot Stix during a driver fitting said the c-taper might be the perfect fit. Since I couldn't afford to change irons I didn't even want to be fit and be tempted but I plan to this year.
[/quote]

I guess the good news is I haven't dumped any money recently on a new set, but I do hate how high the upcharge is for th C-Taper. I was looking on the KBS site, and supposedly it is significantly longer than DG, and KBS Tour, and made for fast tempo swings. I just hate the upcharge.
[/quote]

Your decision should be based on what you've already tried, not what the KBS site says. I demoed the C-Tapers on a Trackman and my numbers were not as good as with the Tours and DG. If the C-Tapers worked for you from the demo, use that as your basis for the decision. You can always wait a little longer and see if a set of pulls comes up for sale and save some money that way. Or like someone said, bite the bullet and spend the money, since those are what work for you.
[/quote]

Dynamic Gold works as well, but the C-Tapers sure are nice looking. You just get feeling they are something difference whether they are or aren't is the question.

[Cwebb]

[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1330532223' post='4402629']

Dynamic Gold works as well, but the C-Tapers sure are nice looking. You just get feeling they are something difference whether they are or aren't is the question.
[/quote]

There's a difference in the bend profile and the CT's are a little lighter in weight when cut to length. So there really is a difference.

If the CT worked best for you and you liked them, I'd pay the extra.

[SwooshLT]

[quote name='PingDrv00' timestamp='1330516611' post='4401253']
[quote name='SwooshLT' timestamp='1330514687' post='4401201']
A little off topic but just put DG back into my irons......definitely heavier and apparently it is what my swing needs to keep my appropriate tempo.......all of the lighter shafts , say sub 120g had my natural swing tempo slower than I use.....with the heavy properly fitted iron , I can feel free to swing ......it worked well yesterday and I'm encouraged that my iron play is back to a more competent level....
[/quote]

I have similar issues with the lighter weight shafts. I want to hit them, because I know lighter goes farther, but I tend to have issues figuring out how to make solid contact. I get off pace a bit, and it is hard to stay consistent. It seems though as soon as I pick up the heavier shafts DG in particular, things go back to normal. I this may actually point to some tempo and swing worked needed instead of new shafts, but I just don't have the opportunity.
[/quote]

No....can't be swing issues or all players would use lighter shafts regardless of flex needed....no, we just have particular needs and you and I have determined HEAVY is better....good luck!!

[youngwaldo]

As I get older it seems like my swing is more gear to being a swinger rather than a hitter.  I been playing TTDG all my golf life for the past 25+ years and now when I went to the Titleist Fitting last month they said TTDG was not as good as the KBS Tour.  With the Fitters recommendation I went with the KBS.  I truly dont see too much different but that maybe because my tempo is slower.  Hope this help for others out there.

 

Wk

[storm3]

13 year bump…woof!