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[quote name='bandrz' timestamp='1351022653' post='5834925']
This topic is interesting. When you say "wedges" are you referring to PW - LW or just higher lofted wedges such as SW - LW? I'm sure it varies, but just curious to hear different takes on this.
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For me, it was just gap-lob. I suppose you could play around with 9i or pw as well.

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[color=#282828]
R300 in irons = use S300 #8 iron shaft
S300 in irons = use X100 #8 iron shaft
X100 in irons = No direct option as X7 is hard to find, but a S400 tipped 3/8 is a good option if 6-7 CPM softer than X100 can be used. (Tiger plays x100 in irons and S400 tip trimmed in wedges)

They are more consistent than DG spinners on full shots, and easier to load than standard #9 iron shafts on partial shots.
Only once i found spin to be to high but it was a Uniflex player where i matched flex to his irons, ended up using a DG S300 #7 shaft (Parallel) Spin went up to 13600 (58*) with 3-4 yards backspin after landing, so i dont think the #7 irons shaft is a good choise if you can get full stop on your PW as it is. I have not done this using a #9 shaft 10 cpm stronger, but if you found a #8 iron too spinny, the #9 iron might be worth a try.[/color]

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[quote name='Howard Jones' timestamp='1351317862' post='5853499']
[color=#282828]R300 in irons = use S300 #8 iron shaft
S300 in irons = use X100 #8 iron shaft
X100 in irons = No direct option as X7 is hard to find, but a S400 tipped 3/8 is a good option if 6-7 CPM softer than X100 can be used. (Tiger plays x100 in irons and S400 tip trimmed in wedges)[/color]
[/quote]

Adding on to Howards chart above...

(This was created by referencing Howard's shaft chart seen here----[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/496072-new-and-improved-shaft-chart/"]http://www.golfwrx.c...ed-shaft-chart/[/url] )

[u][b]For Rifle/Project X Shafts[/b][/u]

-5.0 in irons=6.0 #8i iron shaft
-5.5 in irons=6.5 #8i iron shaft
-6.0 in irons=7.0 #8i iron shaft
-6.5 in irons=7.0 #8i iron shaft (tip accordingly)

**(For FLIGHTED shafts use corresponding FLIGHTED #8 iron shaft--- since kickpoints vary from flighted vs non-flighted)**

[u][b]For KBS Shafts[/b][/u]

-KBS Tour R= KBS Tour S #8i shaft
-KBS C-Taper R= KBS C-Taper S #8i shaft
-KBS Tour R+= KBS Tour S+ #8i shaft
-KBS C-Taper R+= KBS C-Taper S+ #8i shaft
-KBS Tour S= KBS Tour X-Stiff #8i shaft
-KBS C-Taper S= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft
-KBS Tour S+= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft
-KBS C-Taper S+= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft (tip accordingly)
-KBS Tour X= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft (tip accordingly)
-KBS C-Taper X= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft (tip accordingly)


**If you are getting too much spin, substituting the #8i shaft for a #9i shaft may help.
***If you are not achieving your desired spin, substituting the #8i shaft for a #7i shaft may help.


This should help the people with the question "If I play __________ shafts in my irons then what shaft should I use to "tiger-step" my wedges?"


Howard, please let me know if any of the above information is off so I can edit the post accordingly.



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[quote name='TripleGrindSole' timestamp='1351327081' post='5853635']
[quote name='Howard Jones' timestamp='1351317862' post='5853499']
[color=#282828]R300 in irons = use S300 #8 iron shaft
S300 in irons = use X100 #8 iron shaft
X100 in irons = No direct option as X7 is hard to find, but a S400 tipped 3/8 is a good option if 6-7 CPM softer than X100 can be used. (Tiger plays x100 in irons and S400 tip trimmed in wedges)[/color]
[/quote]

Adding on to Howards chart above...

(This was created by referencing Howard's shaft chart seen here----[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/496072-new-and-improved-shaft-chart/"]http://www.golfwrx.c...ed-shaft-chart/[/url] )

[u][b]For Rifle/Project X Shafts[/b][/u]

-5.0 in irons=6.0 #8i iron shaft
-5.5 in irons=6.5 #8i iron shaft
-6.0 in irons=7.0 #8i iron shaft
-6.5 in irons=7.0 #8i iron shaft (tip accordingly)

**(For FLIGHTED shafts use corresponding FLIGHTED #8 iron shaft--- since kickpoints vary from flighted vs non-flighted)**

[u][b]For KBS Shafts[/b][/u]

-KBS Tour R= KBS Tour S #8i shaft
-KBS C-Taper R= KBS C-Taper S #8i shaft
-KBS Tour R+= KBS Tour S+ #8i shaft
-KBS C-Taper R+= KBS C-Taper S+ #8i shaft
-KBS Tour S= KBS Tour X-Stiff #8i shaft
-KBS C-Taper S= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft
-KBS Tour S+= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft
-KBS C-Taper S+= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft (tip accordingly)
-KBS Tour X= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft (tip accordingly)
-KBS C-Taper X= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft (tip accordingly)


**If you are getting too much spin, substituting the #8i shaft for a #9i shaft may help.
***If you are not achieving your desired spin, substituting the #8i shaft for a #7i shaft may help.


This should help the people with the question "If I play __________ shafts in my irons then what shaft should I use to "tiger-step" my wedges?"


Howard, please let me know if any of the above information is off so I can edit the post accordingly.



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Thanks for putting that together!

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[quote name='TripleGrindSole' timestamp='1351327081' post='5853635']
[quote name='Howard Jones' timestamp='1351317862' post='5853499']
[color=#282828]R300 in irons = use S300 #8 iron shaft
S300 in irons = use X100 #8 iron shaft
X100 in irons = No direct option as X7 is hard to find, but a S400 tipped 3/8 is a good option if 6-7 CPM softer than X100 can be used. (Tiger plays x100 in irons and S400 tip trimmed in wedges)[/color]
[/quote]

Adding on to Howards chart above...

(This was created by referencing Howard's shaft chart seen here----[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/496072-new-and-improved-shaft-chart/"]http://www.golfwrx.c...ed-shaft-chart/[/url] )

[u][b]For Rifle/Project X Shafts[/b][/u]

-5.0 in irons=6.0 #8i iron shaft
-5.5 in irons=6.5 #8i iron shaft
-6.0 in irons=7.0 #8i iron shaft
-6.5 in irons=7.0 #8i iron shaft (tip accordingly)

**(For FLIGHTED shafts use corresponding FLIGHTED #8 iron shaft--- since kickpoints vary from flighted vs non-flighted)**

[u][b]For KBS Shafts[/b][/u]

-KBS Tour R= KBS Tour S #8i shaft
-KBS C-Taper R= KBS C-Taper S #8i shaft
-KBS Tour R+= KBS Tour S+ #8i shaft
-KBS C-Taper R+= KBS C-Taper S+ #8i shaft
-KBS Tour S= KBS Tour X-Stiff #8i shaft
-KBS C-Taper S= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft
-KBS Tour S+= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft
-KBS C-Taper S+= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft (tip accordingly)
-KBS Tour X= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft (tip accordingly)
-KBS C-Taper X= KBS C-Taper X-Stiff #8i shaft (tip accordingly)


**If you are getting too much spin, substituting the #8i shaft for a #9i shaft may help.
***If you are not achieving your desired spin, substituting the #8i shaft for a #7i shaft may help.


This should help the people with the question "If I play __________ shafts in my irons then what shaft should I use to "tiger-step" my wedges?"


Howard, please let me know if any of the above information is off so I can edit the post accordingly.



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Guys, I really need an answer for my question ! Hopefully Howard Jones reads this...

I just bought a set of stiff c-tapers that are +.5" and I want to hardstep them once so they play closer to S+ (which would be ideal). The set consists in 4-GW and I was going to put a S400 in the GW for now. My concern is for the 9 iron and PW shafts. Can they be tipped so they play stiffer, accordingly to the rest of the shafts ? If so, how much should I tip them ? I do have some room for tipping since they are .5" longer and the GW seems to be the same length as the PW.

Thanks so much in advance !

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Im not into KBS, but in general you can tip trim all taper tip shafts as much as the hosel accept, and that might vary.
Start with 1/4 and test to see if the shaft still goes all the way down the hosel, and then you trim 1/8 at a time until its stops.
Ive seen hosels who dont accept more than 1/4 while others can take as much as 5/8
In extreme cases its possible to ream out the hosel to 0.370 and then you can trim as much as there is tip to trim, but dont forget to leave enough for full insertion plus the ferrule.

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[quote name='Howard Jones' timestamp='1351446981' post='5858455']
Im not into KBS, but in general you can tip trim all taper tip shafts as much as the hosel accept, and that might vary.
Start with 1/4 and test to see if the shaft still goes all the way down the hosel, and then you trim 1/8 at a time until its stops.
Ive seen hosels who dont accept more than 1/4 while others can take as much as 5/8
In extreme cases its possible to ream out the hosel to 0.370 and then you can trim as much as there is tip to trim, but dont forget to leave enough for full insertion plus the ferrule.
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Awesome ! Thanks so much for your help and contribution to WRX. Its been very educative reading your posts. So much knowledge and dedication !

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  • 2 weeks later...

I'm not that much into the NS series, but I believe the 1100's come in one flex made for Callaway only. The shaft geometry is supposedly different than the rest of the xxxxGH series, so getting just a stiffer version of the same shaft is not easy. The 1150 (S or X) is a bit heavier and stiffer, but since the Nippons launch higher and spin more than the DG/PX it is hard to say what your exact results will be. Best bet is to try them on a launch monitor.
I've fitted players into a 950/1150 combination, but that was more because of the added weight (for feel & control) than for flight/spin purposes.

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[quote name='tx33' timestamp='1353049983' post='5941933']
I'm not that much into the NS series, but I believe the 1100's come in one flex made for Callaway only. The shaft geometry is supposedly different than the rest of the xxxxGH series, so getting just a stiffer version of the same shaft is not easy. The 1150 (S or X) is a bit heavier and stiffer, but since the Nippons launch higher and spin more than the DG/PX it is hard to say what your exact results will be. Best bet is to try them on a launch monitor.
I've fitted players into a 950/1150 combination, but that was more because of the added weight (for feel & control) than for flight/spin purposes.
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Would a CG2 lm be able to give me the numbers I need? It's the only option around here unfortunately, and there definitely won't be any demo clubs with Nippon shafts, and even more definitely not built to my specs. Have two of the same wedge I might just install with different shafts and go hit them and do the guess and check model, unless anyone has a better idea. To make things even better, the shop is 2 hours away.

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[quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1351024713' post='5835255']
[quote name='bandrz' timestamp='1351022653' post='5834925']
This topic is interesting. When you say "wedges" are you referring to PW - LW or just higher lofted wedges such as SW - LW? I'm sure it varies, but just curious to hear different takes on this.
[/quote]

For me, it was just gap-lob. I suppose you could play around with 9i or pw as well.
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How is the gap through lob working out? Just to make sure, you took 8 iron shafts, no tip trimming, butt trimmed to length and then installed. I currently have the KBS Tour S+ in irons, but play the S400 in the wedges. They launch too high for me and leave a bit to be desired, so I have been looking to do this. Figure if I don't like it there's not much lost, so just want to make sure. C-taper X 8 iron is what I have gathered from this, just want to make sure I get it right.

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[quote name='Howard Jones' timestamp='1351317862' post='5853499']

[color=#282828]R300 in irons = use S300 #8 iron shaft
S300 in irons = use X100 #8 iron shaft
X100 in irons = No direct option as X7 is hard to find, but a S400 tipped 3/8 is a good option if 6-7 CPM softer than X100 can be used. (Tiger plays x100 in irons and S400 tip trimmed in wedges)

They are more consistent than DG spinners on full shots, and easier to load than standard #9 iron shafts on partial shots.
Only once i found spin to be to high but it was a Uniflex player where i matched flex to his irons, ended up using a DG S300 #7 shaft (Parallel) Spin went up to 13600 (58*) with 3-4 yards backspin after landing, so i dont think the #7 irons shaft is a good choise if you can get full stop on your PW as it is. I have not done this using a #9 shaft 10 cpm stronger, but if you found a #8 iron too spinny, the #9 iron might be worth a try.[/color]
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So if you have s400 in your irons what do you do? just go with 8 iron s400 shaft?

General comment
Why don't guys put the 8 iron shaft in the 9 and PW as well as the GW/SW/LW. Seems weird that you'd go 8 shaft, then 9/W shaft, the 8 shaft again

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[quote name='CARDY' timestamp='1353697979' post='5969689']
[quote name='Howard Jones' timestamp='1351317862' post='5853499']
[color=#282828]R300 in irons = use S300 #8 iron shaft
S300 in irons = use X100 #8 iron shaft
X100 in irons = No direct option as X7 is hard to find, but a S400 tipped 3/8 is a good option if 6-7 CPM softer than X100 can be used. (Tiger plays x100 in irons and S400 tip trimmed in wedges)

They are more consistent than DG spinners on full shots, and easier to load than standard #9 iron shafts on partial shots.
Only once i found spin to be to high but it was a Uniflex player where i matched flex to his irons, ended up using a DG S300 #7 shaft (Parallel) Spin went up to 13600 (58*) with 3-4 yards backspin after landing, so i dont think the #7 irons shaft is a good choise if you can get full stop on your PW as it is. I have not done this using a #9 shaft 10 cpm stronger, but if you found a #8 iron too spinny, the #9 iron might be worth a try.[/color]
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So if you have s400 in your irons what do you do? just go with 8 iron s400 shaft?

General comment
Why don't guys put the 8 iron shaft in the 9 and PW as well as the GW/SW/LW. Seems weird that you'd go 8 shaft, then 9/W shaft, the 8 shaft again
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You wouldn't use a s400, would go 2 flexes stiffer.

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[quote name='CARDY' timestamp='1353697979' post='5969689']
General comment
Why don't guys put the 8 iron shaft in the 9 and PW as well as the GW/SW/LW. Seems weird that you'd go 8 shaft, then 9/W shaft, the 8 shaft again
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Because now you've soft-stepped the 9-iron and PW, and these are clubs you generally play to a full swing. The "8-iron trick" is for clubs you typically don't play to a full swing, like the LW.

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[quote name='3puttbogey2' timestamp='1353698714' post='5969715']
[quote name='CARDY' timestamp='1353697979' post='5969689']
[quote name='Howard Jones' timestamp='1351317862' post='5853499']
[color=#282828]R300 in irons = use S300 #8 iron shaft
S300 in irons = use X100 #8 iron shaft
X100 in irons = No direct option as X7 is hard to find, but a S400 tipped 3/8 is a good option if 6-7 CPM softer than X100 can be used. (Tiger plays x100 in irons and S400 tip trimmed in wedges)

They are more consistent than DG spinners on full shots, and easier to load than standard #9 iron shafts on partial shots.
Only once i found spin to be to high but it was a Uniflex player where i matched flex to his irons, ended up using a DG S300 #7 shaft (Parallel) Spin went up to 13600 (58*) with 3-4 yards backspin after landing, so i dont think the #7 irons shaft is a good choise if you can get full stop on your PW as it is. I have not done this using a #9 shaft 10 cpm stronger, but if you found a #8 iron too spinny, the #9 iron might be worth a try.[/color]
[/quote]

So if you have s400 in your irons what do you do? just go with 8 iron s400 shaft?

General comment
Why don't guys put the 8 iron shaft in the 9 and PW as well as the GW/SW/LW. Seems weird that you'd go 8 shaft, then 9/W shaft, the 8 shaft again
[/quote]

You wouldn't use a s400, would go 2 flexes stiffer.
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so I'd need an X200 8 iron then .... correct? does that exist? Or tip trim an 8 iron X100?

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Dynamic Gold X flex comes as X100, X200 and X300, just like S200, S300 and S400...
If you play S400 in irons, the natural choice is a X100 #8 iron shaft, simply because X200 is hard to find.

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I am slightly confused. If I want to lower the flight as my main objective, but really do not care that much if my spin increases although that would probably be a plus on half shots, is "tiger-stepping" the answer or the "8 iron spinner trick"?

My main problem is that I play C-taper S+ hard stepped already, so what is the solution, go with an 8 iron X flex and tip it 3/8"?

Howard, your advice would be appreciated. Thanks

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[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1353705682' post='5970047']
I am slightly confused. If I want to lower the flight as my main objective, but really do not care that much if my spin increases although that would probably be a plus on half shots, is "tiger-stepping" the answer or the "8 iron spinner trick"?

My main problem is that I play C-taper S+ hard stepped already, so what is the solution, go with an 8 iron X flex and tip it 3/8"?

Howard, your advice would be appreciated. Thanks
[/quote]

+1 on this, basically all I want to do is lower wedge flight...

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[quote name='3puttbogey2' timestamp='1353706648' post='5970097']
[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1353705682' post='5970047']
I am slightly confused. If I want to lower the flight as my main objective, but really do not care that much if my spin increases although that would probably be a plus on half shots, is "tiger-stepping" the answer or the "8 iron spinner trick"?

My main problem is that I play C-taper S+ hard stepped already, so what is the solution, go with an 8 iron X flex and tip it 3/8"?

Howard, your advice would be appreciated. Thanks
[/quote]

Not sure which shaft you would want to use, but tiger stepping and 8 iron spinner trick are the same thing.
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I believe according to some of the other threads I have researched and read from Howard that they the are not the same. Tiger goes from X100 down in flex to S400 and tips the shaft. The 8 iron spinner trick is moving two flexes up in shaft flex and going straight in with the 8 iron. Two different things.

What I am confused by is which will lower the flight more. And, if I am using one of the strongest flexes already in C-taper, the S+ hard stepped, what do I go to staying in the same C-taper line, X-flex tipped?

This is what I would like Howard to help with, which shaft to use I want to stay with the C-taper and which method lowers the flight the most, tiger-step or 8 iron spinner?

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[quote name='3puttbogey2' timestamp='1353706648' post='5970097']
[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1353705682' post='5970047']
I am slightly confused. If I want to lower the flight as my main objective, but really do not care that much if my spin increases although that would probably be a plus on half shots, is "tiger-stepping" the answer or the "8 iron spinner trick"?

My main problem is that I play C-taper S+ hard stepped already, so what is the solution, go with an 8 iron X flex and tip it 3/8"?

Howard, your advice would be appreciated. Thanks
[/quote]

Not sure which shaft you would want to use, but tiger stepping and 8 iron spinner trick are the same thing.
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I've been reading these spinner/8 iron/tiger stepping threads as I'm going to do the 8 iron shaft into my SW to lower my ball flight and gain some spin. Ive taken this info from Howard's posts that have been real helpful, you can read his last post in the other Tiger stepping thread in this section for better clarification but here's how I read it.

Tiger stepping and using an 8 iron to lower ball flight/gain spin are NOT the same thing, Tiger uses an 8 iron shaft in the S400 because he wants a Stronger shaft and he already plays X100 in his irons so there is nothing he can use to hard step his wedges this way, using an 8 iron shaft in a S400 makes that wedge play a touch stronger.

Using an 8 iron shaft in your wedge (lw, sw, ect) in a stronger flex than what you normally play in your irons keeps the flex the SAME as your other irons, but lowers ball flight and adds some spin, and is supposed to be somewhat better than the spinner shaft for full shots doing it this way.

So I believe what most of you want (to lower ball flight, add some spin) is using the 8 iron in a stronger flex than you do in the irons, not a weaker flex as Tiger is doing (but making it stronger because he is using the 8 i shaft and trimming it, which is where all the confusion lies I believe).

Howards been nice and helpful on several posts concerning this, hopefully he can read this and confirm whether its correct or not instead of having to repost another explanation.

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[quote name='GolfMonster09' timestamp='1353692957' post='5969463']
[quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1351024713' post='5835255']
[quote name='bandrz' timestamp='1351022653' post='5834925']
This topic is interesting. When you say "wedges" are you referring to PW - LW or just higher lofted wedges such as SW - LW? I'm sure it varies, but just curious to hear different takes on this.
[/quote]

For me, it was just gap-lob. I suppose you could play around with 9i or pw as well.
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How is the gap through lob working out? Just to make sure, [b]you took 8 iron shafts, no tip trimming, butt trimmed to length and then installed.[/b] I currently have the KBS Tour S+ in irons, but play the S400 in the wedges. They launch too high for me and leave a bit to be desired, so I have been looking to do this. Figure if I don't like it there's not much lost, so just want to make sure. C-taper X 8 iron is what I have gathered from this, just want to make sure I get it right.

Thanks!
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Yep, that is what I did. I was fit for PX 5.5 at one point, so I chose to TS with 6.5 8 iron shafts as per Howard's suggestion. Worked out very nicely. Unfortunately, the heads themselves didn't work out the way I would have liked, so I dumped them.

I picked up some Vokey's and suffered through the stock noodle shafts they come with for the second half of the season (I wasn't playing as much as I anticipated, so I figured I would just deal with it until I could reshaft), and just recently picked up some Yururi's.

With the Yururi's, I had Ryan and Co. (at FairwayGolfUSA...ahem!) install x100 8 iron shafts in them. I haven't taken more than practice swings with them, but the feel during the swing is very nice. Nice weight and I can feel the flex. Should be a really good pairing. If anyone was afraid of installing x100 shafts (at least the way I did) into their wedges - don't be.

Anyway, I will have to wait a couple months (living in Maine) to give everyone feedback about my latest pairing, but Howard's idea works. It is a cheap enough experiment that yields really good results.

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[quote name='MadGolfer76' timestamp='1353720538' post='5970919']
With the Yururi's, I had Ryan and Co. (at FairwayGolfUSA...ahem!) install x100 8 iron shafts in them. I haven't taken more than practice swings with them, but the feel during the swing is very nice. Nice weight and I can feel the flex. Should be a really good pairing. If anyone was afraid of installing x100 shafts (at least the way I did) into their wedges - don't be.

Anyway, I will have to wait a couple months (living in Maine) to give everyone feedback about my latest pairing, but Howard's idea works. It is a cheap enough experiment that yields really good results.
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I was actually just talking to Ryan the other day about Tiger-stepping an X100 8 iron shaft into a Yururi Tour wedge! Any chance we're long-lost twins separated at birth?

But if you get a chance to test the combo out in the near future, definitely post a little review because I am ridiculously close to pulling the trigger!

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Just for grins.......What do you do with a Steelfiber? Bore it out to .370 and trim it to a 6i?

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Just for grins.......What do you do with a Steelfiber? Bore it out to .370 and trim it to a 6i?
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Oh, now you're just being mean! :)

If anyone actually has an answer to this, I'd be seriously interested. I love the Steelfibers in my irons, and the feel in a wedge would be unbelievable.

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