My TIGER-stepped WEDGE EXPERIMENT!!

[MadGolfer76]

I haven't read through all of the posts in this thread, but has anyone experienced a little issue with weight? I usually add a few strips of lead tape to the head. Don't know if that messes with the flex at all (shouldn't, I guess), but whenever I use 8i shafts, the feel is good, but not super heavy which I like.

[smellysell]

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I am slightly confused. If I want to lower the flight as my main objective, but really do not care that much if my spin increases although that would probably be a plus on half shots, is "tiger-stepping" the answer or the "8 iron spinner trick"?

My main problem is that I play C-taper S+ hard stepped already, so what is the solution, go with an 8 iron X flex and tip it 3/8"?

Howard, your advice would be appreciated. Thanks
[/quote]

Not sure which shaft you would want to use, but tiger stepping and 8 iron spinner trick are the same thing.
[/quote]

I believe according to some of the other threads I have researched and read from Howard that they the are not the same. Tiger goes from X100 down in flex to S400 and tips the shaft. The 8 iron spinner trick is moving two flexes up in shaft flex and going straight in with the 8 iron. Two different things.

What I am confused by is which will lower the flight more. And, if I am using one of the strongest flexes already in C-taper, the S+ hard stepped, what do I go to staying in the same C-taper line, X-flex tipped?

This is what I would like Howard to help with, which shaft to use I want to stay with the C-taper and which method lowers the flight the most, tiger-step or 8 iron spinner?
[/quote]

So after reading Howard's post in the other thread, I apparently was mistaken and you are correct, they are two different things. My apologies, I will be deleting my posts that make this thread even more confusing, sorry.

[GolfMonster09]

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This topic is interesting. When you say "wedges" are you referring to PW - LW or just higher lofted wedges such as SW - LW? I'm sure it varies, but just curious to hear different takes on this.
[/quote]

For me, it was just gap-lob. I suppose you could play around with 9i or pw as well.
[/quote]

How is the gap through lob working out? Just to make sure, [b]you took 8 iron shafts, no tip trimming, butt trimmed to length and then installed.[/b] I currently have the KBS Tour S+ in irons, but play the S400 in the wedges. They launch too high for me and leave a bit to be desired, so I have been looking to do this. Figure if I don't like it there's not much lost, so just want to make sure. C-taper X 8 iron is what I have gathered from this, just want to make sure I get it right.

Thanks!
[/quote]

Yep, that is what I did. I was fit for PX 5.5 at one point, so I chose to TS with 6.5 8 iron shafts as per Howard's suggestion. Worked out very nicely. Unfortunately, the heads themselves didn't work out the way I would have liked, so I dumped them.

I picked up some Vokey's and suffered through the stock noodle shafts they come with for the second half of the season (I wasn't playing as much as I anticipated, so I figured I would just deal with it until I could reshaft), and just recently picked up some Yururi's.

With the Yururi's, I had Ryan and Co. (at FairwayGolfUSA...ahem!) install x100 8 iron shafts in them. I haven't taken more than practice swings with them, but the feel during the swing is very nice. Nice weight and I can feel the flex. Should be a really good pairing. If anyone was afraid of installing x100 shafts (at least the way I did) into their wedges - don't be.

Anyway, I will have to wait a couple months (living in Maine) to give everyone feedback about my latest pairing, but Howard's idea works. It is a cheap enough experiment that yields really good results.
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Glad to hear. I've now got three 8 iron shafts on order for my wedges. If it doesn't flight the ball low enough for me, I could always tip 1/4 to 3/8 inch. Fun and cheap experiment.

[Hstead]

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I am slightly confused. If I want to lower the flight as my main objective, but really do not care that much if my spin increases although that would probably be a plus on half shots, is "tiger-stepping" the answer or the "8 iron spinner trick"?

My main problem is that I play C-taper S+ hard stepped already, so what is the solution, go with an 8 iron X flex and tip it 3/8"?

Howard, your advice would be appreciated. Thanks
[/quote]

Not sure which shaft you would want to use, but tiger stepping and 8 iron spinner trick are the same thing.
[/quote]

I believe according to some of the other threads I have researched and read from Howard that they the are not the same. Tiger goes from X100 down in flex to S400 and tips the shaft. The 8 iron spinner trick is moving two flexes up in shaft flex and going straight in with the 8 iron. Two different things.

What I am confused by is which will lower the flight more. And, if I am using one of the strongest flexes already in C-taper, the S+ hard stepped, what do I go to staying in the same C-taper line, X-flex tipped?

This is what I would like Howard to help with, which shaft to use I want to stay with the C-taper and which method lowers the flight the most, tiger-step or 8 iron spinner?
[/quote]

So after reading Howard's post in the other thread, I apparently was mistaken and you are correct, they are two different things. My apologies, I will be deleting my posts that make this thread even more confusing, sorry.
[/quote]

No worries, as I and many others have been confused. I have seen where Howard has repeatedly tried to educate us simple morons on more than one thread lol and we continue to think they are the same. But, now that I understand they are different, I still do not understand what each do. Which one lowers trajectory the most? Which one makes the flex the same throughout your set? Which one spins more? Which one is better for half shote? etc. Also, I still haven't seen anyone answer what you should do if you already play a very stiff flex, like S+ where there is not two more flexes higher for the 8 iron spinner? I guess use one step up, the X flex and tip trim it as much as possible for a taper is is basically 3/8" without increasing the hosel size.

[MadGolfer76]

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[quote name='3puttbogey2' timestamp='1353706648' post='5970097']
[quote name='Hstead' timestamp='1353705682' post='5970047']
I am slightly confused. If I want to lower the flight as my main objective, but really do not care that much if my spin increases although that would probably be a plus on half shots, is "tiger-stepping" the answer or the "8 iron spinner trick"?

My main problem is that I play C-taper S+ hard stepped already, so what is the solution, go with an 8 iron X flex and tip it 3/8"?

Howard, your advice would be appreciated. Thanks
[/quote]

Not sure which shaft you would want to use, but tiger stepping and 8 iron spinner trick are the same thing.
[/quote]

I believe according to some of the other threads I have researched and read from Howard that they the are not the same. Tiger goes from X100 down in flex to S400 and tips the shaft. The 8 iron spinner trick is moving two flexes up in shaft flex and going straight in with the 8 iron. Two different things.

What I am confused by is which will lower the flight more. And, if I am using one of the strongest flexes already in C-taper, the S+ hard stepped, what do I go to staying in the same C-taper line, X-flex tipped?

This is what I would like Howard to help with, which shaft to use I want to stay with the C-taper and which method lowers the flight the most, tiger-step or 8 iron spinner?
[/quote]

So after reading Howard's post in the other thread, I apparently was mistaken and you are correct, they are two different things. My apologies, I will be deleting my posts that make this thread even more confusing, sorry.
[/quote]

No worries, as I and many others have been confused. I have seen where Howard has repeatedly tried to educate us simple morons on more than one thread lol and we continue to think they are the same. But, now that I understand they are different, I still do not understand what each do. Which one lowers trajectory the most? Which one makes the flex the same throughout your set? Which one spins more? Which one is better for half shote? etc. Also, I still haven't seen anyone answer what you should do if you already play a very stiff flex, like S+ where there is not two more flexes higher for the 8 iron spinner? I guess use one step up, the X flex and tip trim it as much as possible for a taper is is basically 3/8" without increasing the hosel size.
[/quote]

Sometimes there is just nowhere to go, and you might have to be willing to cross brands to get what you are after (like looking at PX 7.0). I think a starting point might well be the X-flex 8 iron shafts, but I am wondering also if that is the point at which you might consider tipping 3/8 like Howard says, in addition to the 8 iron shafts. Maybe just a basic soft-step of the next higher flex? Just thinking out loud here.

[EaglesGolf99]

Where is the best place to pickup ProjectX 7.0, Non-Flighted, individual 8 iron shafts?

Thanks!

[Lord Helmet]

Just saw this thread. I have 8i shafts in my wedges butt trimmed and i love the results! Fitter suggested this to me. I love controlling shots around the greens. I wish i would hit more greens though.....

[EaglesGolf99]

Anyone have experience with Steelfibers using this technique?

[Crue4]

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Where is the best place to pickup ProjectX 7.0, Non-Flighted, individual 8 iron shafts?

Thanks!
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I would like to know this as well, I need 2 of them

[slicktry]

I'm hoping to tinker sometime this year with 1/4" tipped x100's in the wedges. Currently playing C Taper X. As per the concept, the idea is to lower Traj. while decreasing dispersion. Wanna have some real fun? Try X7's in your wedges...just sayin!

God Bless
Jer

[MadGolfer76]

[quote name='slicktry' timestamp='1367811932' post='6977430']
I'm hoping to tinker sometime this year with 1/4" tipped x100's in the wedges. Currently playing C Taper X. As per the concept, the idea is to lower Traj. while decreasing dispersion. Wanna have some real fun? [b]Try X7's in your wedges[/b]...just sayin!

God Bless
Jer
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Loved them in irons. Just can't find any

[JJK947]

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I'm hoping to tinker sometime this year with 1/4" tipped x100's in the wedges. Currently playing C Taper X. As per the concept, the idea is to lower Traj. while decreasing dispersion. Wanna have some real fun? [b]Try X7's in your wedges[/b]...just sayin!

God Bless
Jer
[/quote]

Loved them in irons. Just can't find any
[/quote]

You need to join the cool kid's X7 club with me and Driverwedge. He successfully converted me over from PX and it couldn't have worked out better. I initially didn't want to plop down the cash but now that I have them it is worth it 100%. Finding a single 8iron shaft in the X7's is impossible, the 37" wedge shafts pop up every once and a while though.

[coghillcutter]

any thoughts on DG XP s300s? got a few old wedges laying around and would like to give this a whirl. Should I go with DG XP X flex 8iron or the standard x100 8 iron?

[Howard_Jones]

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any thoughts on DG XP s300s? got a few old wedges laying around and would like to give this a whirl. Should I go with DG XP X flex 8iron or the standard x100 8 iron?
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DG XP is softer tip side, adding more loft at impact VS Dynamic Gold, but move on to post #8 in this link and read on.
[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/838660-tiger-stepping-with-parallel-tip-shafts/"]http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/838660-tiger-stepping-with-parallel-tip-shafts/[/url]

[coghillcutter]

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[quote name='coghillcutter' timestamp='1367971524' post='6988480']
any thoughts on DG XP s300s? got a few old wedges laying around and would like to give this a whirl. Should I go with DG XP X flex 8iron or the standard x100 8 iron?
[/quote]

DG XP is softer tip side, adding more loft at impact VS Dynamic Gold, but move on to post #8 in this link and read on.
[url="http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/838660-tiger-stepping-with-parallel-tip-shafts/"]http://www.golfwrx.c...lel-tip-shafts/[/url]
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Ok so after reading that post (which blew my mind BTW) I think for my SW and LW I'm gonna go with the standard DG x100 because of the flight characteristics and the stepping of the XP. Sound correct? I'll probably just have to tinker with the swing weight to get it to match up

[CBRADGO]

I play X100 Sensicores in my irons and was considering putting 8 iron X100's in my 56 & 60 and butt trimming to length and a 37" 9/PW in my 52 to keep it consistent from 3i all the way to LW. What say ye?

[Frank Ricard]

Bumping this because I am confused, I hope this thread still has traction...


So, the 'standard' way of making yourself a spinner shaft in a LW, ie 1x higher flex in an 8 iron and butt trim to length seems to make sense. 10 CPM higher so you when you put it in your set, you are approx 4 CPM higher than your SW, brings ball flight down (bc higher flex and heavier), but kick point that should produce more spin.

However, how this relates to what Tiger does, I do not understand. Nor do I understand the theoretical characteristics one would get in a shaft if they did what Tiger does to his wedge (BTW, if Tiger play a 56 and 60, does he do it in both wedges)?

Tiger plays x100's. But Tiger takes a s400 8 iron, tip trims it, and then butt trims to length? So Tiger is taking a shaft that is, what, approx 11 CPM lower than his 9/PW (7 for s400 vs x1, 4 for the 8 vs 9/PW) and is about the same weight, tip trims it (gets back 4 cpm, so hes back at a S400 9/PW, or 7 CPM) and the installs in his wedges. [size=4]So that leaves him with a shaft almost 2 clubs weaker than his PW that should get the ball up in the air more than the X100's... although I presume will produce a lot more spin. [/size]

Am I missing something here? So Tiger actually does the opposite of what the OP did, and what this thread is labeled as being? He plays a shaft that weighs about the same as the rest of his irons but plays much weaker, hits the ball higher, and produces a lot more spin? I realize shaft selection, although 'scientific' in some ways, is also very personal (as Tom Wishon has posted here many times, especially when dealing with Tour players), but is there an accepted reasoning for this type of shaft selection in the wedges? Are other players doing this too?



Thanks. Sorry if the above is long winded. Hopefully it gets some responses so I dont have to start another thread.

[MadGolfer76]

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[quote name='slicktry' timestamp='1367811932' post='6977430']
I'm hoping to tinker sometime this year with 1/4" tipped x100's in the wedges. Currently playing C Taper X. As per the concept, the idea is to lower Traj. while decreasing dispersion. Wanna have some real fun? [b]Try X7's in your wedges[/b]...just sayin!

God Bless
Jer
[/quote]

Loved them in irons. Just can't find any
[/quote]

You need to join the cool kid's X7 club with me and Driverwedge. He successfully converted me over from PX and it couldn't have worked out better. I initially didn't want to plop down the cash but now that I have them it is worth it 100%. Finding a single 8iron shaft in the X7's is impossible, the 37" wedge shafts pop up every once and a while though.
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I have found only one vendor who charged four bills for a complete set and would only part with them if I did a full iron set build. Where are the two of you finding these things??

[MadGolfer76]

[quote name='Frank Ricard' timestamp='1368806243' post='7053810']
Bumping this because I am confused, I hope this thread still has traction...


So, the 'standard' way of making yourself a spinner shaft in a LW, ie 1x higher flex in an 8 iron and butt trim to length seems to make sense. 10 CPM higher so you when you put it in your set, you are approx 4 CPM higher than your SW, brings ball flight down (bc higher flex and heavier), but kick point that should produce more spin.

However, how this relates to what Tiger does, I do not understand. Nor do I understand the theoretical characteristics one would get in a shaft if they did what Tiger does to his wedge (BTW, if Tiger play a 56 and 60, does he do it in both wedges)?

Tiger plays x100's. But Tiger takes a s400 8 iron, tip trims it, and then butt trims to length? So Tiger is taking a shaft that is, what, approx 11 CPM lower than his 9/PW (7 for s400 vs x1, 4 for the 8 vs 9/PW) and is about the same weight, tip trims it (gets back 4 cpm, so hes back at a S400 9/PW, or 7 CPM) and the installs in his wedges. [size=4]So that leaves him with a shaft almost 2 clubs weaker than his PW that should get the ball up in the air more than the X100's... although I presume will produce a lot more spin. [/size]

Am I missing something here? So Tiger actually does the opposite of what the OP did, and what this thread is labeled as being? He plays a shaft that weighs about the same as the rest of his irons but plays much weaker, hits the ball higher, and produces a lot more spin? I realize shaft selection, although 'scientific' in some ways, is also very personal (as Tom Wishon has posted here many times, especially when dealing with Tour players), but is there an accepted reasoning for this type of shaft selection in the wedges? Are other players doing this too?



Thanks. Sorry if the above is long winded. Hopefully it gets some responses so I dont have to start another thread.
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What I had read about Tiger-stepping was what I originally described. I read it as a form of soft-stepping, hence my reference as "Tiger-stepping." The tip trimming idea that Howard (also) mentioned was something I viewed to be different, but apparently I am in the minority.

I don't really care guys; I can re-title the thread if there is a consensus out there.

[Frank Ricard]

^ I did not post that to attack you, my apologies. I just meant it to bring light to the fact that this thread seems to be more about making a 'spinner' from a 8i shaft, and I havent found yet (via this thread or searching) what Tiger is going for via his choice in wedge shafts. What I wrote didnt seem to be laid out directly in the thread, and although Howard Jones explains how Tiger sets up his wedges, the two terms seem to be used more synonymously and throughout the thread its seems implied they impart the same characteristics, but it doesnt seem like they would in practice.

So... I'd still like to know the perceived advantage to what Tiger is doing, and what he is going for!

[MadGolfer76]

[quote name='Frank Ricard' timestamp='1368814324' post='7054782']
^ I did not post that to attack you, my apologies. I just meant it to bring light to the fact that this thread seems to be more about making a 'spinner' from a 8i shaft, and I havent found yet (via this thread or searching) what Tiger is going for via his choice in wedge shafts. What I wrote didnt seem to be laid out directly in the thread, and although Howard Jones explains how Tiger sets up his wedges... I'd still like to know the perceived advantage to it!
[/quote]

Don't worry, I didn't take it that way. I think that the [i]perceived[/i] advantage described my op regarding the difference vs. a traditional "spinner" wedge shaft is that you get a lower launch that still maintains spin. That is what I think is happening. The tipping idea is more of a Howard question. I don't know the particulars.

[JJK947]

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[quote name='slicktry' timestamp='1367811932' post='6977430']
I'm hoping to tinker sometime this year with 1/4" tipped x100's in the wedges. Currently playing C Taper X. As per the concept, the idea is to lower Traj. while decreasing dispersion. Wanna have some real fun? [b]Try X7's in your wedges[/b]...just sayin!

God Bless
Jer
[/quote]

Loved them in irons. Just can't find any
[/quote]

You need to join the cool kid's X7 club with me and Driverwedge. He successfully converted me over from PX and it couldn't have worked out better. I initially didn't want to plop down the cash but now that I have them it is worth it 100%. Finding a single 8iron shaft in the X7's is impossible, the 37" wedge shafts pop up every once and a while though.
[/quote]

I have found only one vendor who charged four bills for a complete set and would only part with them if I did a full iron set build. Where are the two of you finding these things??
[/quote]

They pop up on eBay every once and a while for between $150 and $200. We always let each other know when we see a set. Surprised DW hasn't kept you in the loop, I think he was looking for a set for his 64's. I'll make sure to let you know if I see a set.

[MadGolfer76]

[quote name='JJK947' timestamp='1368815635' post='7054946']

They pop up on eBay every once and a while for between $150 and $200. We always let each other know when we see a set. Surprised DW hasn't kept you in the loop, I think he was looking for a set for his 64's. I'll make sure to let you know if I see a set.
[/quote]

Yeah, count me in!

[driverwedge]

[quote name='JJK947' timestamp='1368815635' post='7054946']
You need to join the cool kid's X7 club with me and Driverwedge. He successfully converted me over from PX and it couldn't have worked out better. I initially didn't want to plop down the cash but now that I have them it is worth it 100%. Finding a single 8iron shaft in the X7's is impossible, the 37" wedge shafts pop up every once and a while though.

They pop up on eBay every once and a while for between $150 and $200. We always let each other know when we see a set. Surprised DW hasn't kept you in the loop, I think he was looking for a set for his 64's. I'll make sure to let you know if I see a set.
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I'll let you know if/when I see some. I am looking for a set as well. I really don't want to take them out of my 62s. I'd rather have two sets of X7s!

[MadGolfer76]

Hoarders...

[kurlin]

A couple of months ago I tried my best to do a make shift x7 (too poor atm) spinner with an x300 8i taper shaft that I tipped half inch then butt cut to length.

While I have nothing to compare it to other than the stock s200 shaft. I believe it did add spin and lower my partial shot trajectory.

Just an experiment.

[Howard_Jones]

[quote name='Frank Ricard' timestamp='1368806243' post='7053810']
Bumping this because I am confused, I hope this thread still has traction...


So, the 'standard' way of making yourself a spinner shaft in a LW, ie 1x higher flex in an 8 iron and butt trim to length seems to make sense. 10 CPM higher so you when you put it in your set, you are approx 4 CPM higher than your SW, brings ball flight down (bc higher flex and heavier), but kick point that should produce more spin.

However, how this relates to what Tiger does, I do not understand. Nor do I understand the theoretical characteristics one would get in a shaft if they did what Tiger does to his wedge (BTW, if Tiger play a 56 and 60, does he do it in both wedges)?

Tiger plays x100's. But Tiger takes a s400 8 iron, tip trims it, and then butt trims to length? So Tiger is taking a shaft that is, what, approx 11 CPM lower than his 9/PW (7 for s400 vs x1, 4 for the 8 vs 9/PW) and is about the same weight, tip trims it (gets back 4 cpm, so hes back at a S400 9/PW, or 7 CPM) and the installs in his wedges. So that leaves him with a shaft almost 2 clubs weaker than his PW that should get the ball up in the air more than the X100's... although I presume will produce a lot more spin.

Am I missing something here? So Tiger actually does the opposite of what the OP did, and what this thread is labeled as being? He plays a shaft that weighs about the same as the rest of his irons but plays much weaker, hits the ball higher, and produces a lot more spin? I realize shaft selection, although 'scientific' in some ways, is also very personal (as Tom Wishon has posted here many times, especially when dealing with Tour players), but is there an accepted reasoning for this type of shaft selection in the wedges? Are other players doing this too?



Thanks. Sorry if the above is long winded. Hopefully it gets some responses so I dont have to start another thread.
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You missed it all :-)
I suggest you read whats in here, instead of trowing out a lot you could read is wrong. Nobody sais Tiger plays S400 #8 irons shafts, so if you cant read and understand that we are talking 2 VERY different thing, and dont even know where to start from, you will never get there.

SPIN and LOFT goes hand in hand, but the highest loft who makes spin is 56*
- When loft at impact goes beyond 56, launch will still raise, but spin goes down, and the reason is that we can prevent the ball from start rolling up the face, so we loose compression.

DG spinner makes more spin to a high lofted wedge, by PREVENTING the shaft from bending forward who will be adding more loft at impact, so we could say that DG spinner "is made to keep loft below 56 at impact"

When we use a 10 CPM stronger flex, and go SS1, we can compare TIP LENGTH on the to shaft options
S300 #9 iron vs X100 #8 iron - Who got the shortest tip to first step ? X100 #8 iron does, so just like DG spinner, a high lofted wedge could spin a bit more since we PREVENT the shaft from adding loft so loft at impact does NOT pass 56, just like DG spinnner does.

THIS is what i call the #8 iron spinner trick. A shaft with a play flex who is close to a regular #9 shaft from your irons, but with a shorter tip who dont add the same amount of dynamic loft. That will both add spin and keep flight down at the same time.

TIGER stepping is not the same.
- Tiger whats his standard irons a bit stronger and a bit shorter tip side, so they are tip trimmed, but all shafts is just "regular" where no soft stepping a higher flex is involved. If we Hard step a set of irons, we get 1/3 flex or 3 CPM stronger flex, and a tip section who is 0.5 shorter than standard. In DG the shortest shaft is the #9 iron shaft, so we CANT hard step a #9 iron, but then we can do it like Tiger does. We tip trim that same #9 iron shaft 3/8 and thats as close as we ca get to a hard stepping, and since Tiger "hard step" his shafts this way, and everyone knows him the term "Tiger Stepping" has been used.

SO Tiger stepping is "hard stepping by tip trim", and its got nothing to do with the #8 iron spinner trick, and Tiger dont use S400 #8 irons shafts in his wedges, they are S400 #9 irons , "Tiger stepped" by a tip trim of 3/8

Tip trimming a DG Taper tip shaft by 3/8 gives 2-3 CPM stronger flex, so is we use FCM 6.1 as S400 strait in, a "Tiger stepped" S400 #9 iron shaft would play to FCM 6.3- 6.4, While Tigers irons who is X100 tipped, would play to FCM 7.0 - 7.1
This sound like they would be close, but thats not right, because wedges got a different BBGM and a higher SW value than irons, so in play the wedges will be quite a bit softer than this, depending on those 2 factors.

However, we can combine both this if we like. If we want a set of DG S300 to play like a "iron set" all the way up to GW, we know there aint no PW or GW shaft to buy, so know we can use both the #8 iron trick and Tiger stepping combined to make the 2 missing shafts, based on X100. #7 and #8, or #8 and #9, depending on how strong you want your PW and GW to play.
Then we have both the option of playing a X100 #7 strait in your PW, or "Tiger step" that shaft to make it stronger, or use a X100 #8 iron shaft strait in, or even Tiger Step that #8 iron, and then the same with the GW.

So even if there is no S300 PW or GW or SW shafts to buy, we have plenty of options to make those missing shaft, by using the #8 iron trick, and if we like, combine it with Tiger stepping to adjust feel of flex just as we like it.

[MadGolfer76]

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Where does the name Tiger stepping come from? I always thought (hell, i know he used to) use just S400 in his wedges.
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Not sure, guys were doing this before Tiger was born...
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Trust me, I would love to call it something than "Tiger-stepping." I am far from a fan.

[j-daniel]

Right I've been trying to sus this out as want to give this a go.

My next set will likely have stiff c-taper unlikely not hard or soft stepped. (Hard x1 if anything)

If I was using kbs your in the wedges what do I need? Maybe kbs tour x 7 irons shafts in the wedges (no tipping just butt to length?) would they play softer but be heavier and fit the tiger stepping theory?

[Howard_Jones]

[quote name='j-daniel' timestamp='1368912040' post='7060698']
Right I've been trying to sus this out as want to give this a go.

My next set will likely have stiff c-taper unlikely not hard or soft stepped. (Hard x1 if anything)

If I was using kbs your in the wedges what do I need? Maybe kbs tour x 7 irons shafts in the wedges (no tipping just butt to length?) would they play softer but be heavier and fit the tiger stepping theory?
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NO thats the #8 iron spinner trick and its hard to judge a step less shaft like C-taper, but if we compare DGS300 #9 tipped 3/8 vs X100 #8 iron shaft strait in, they will be "equal in butt flex" but X100 #8 got the shortest tip section so thats the one who has "spinner" potential on a higher loftet wedge.