S56 users who switched to I20's.....

[Bodee]

I am deciding between these two sets. Heavily leaning towards the S56's. There have been threads comparing the two, but after having ample time, is anyone wishing they didn't switch once the "Honeymoon" was over?

[PINGRebel]

I didn't regret at first as I couldn't miss a shot and ridiculously forgiving, then as I played more I missed some of the lower shots I could play with the 56. Went back to the 56 and really regretted giving up on the i20. Went to the new anser and problems solved! It's basically both clubs melded together.

[Coy M]

[quote name='PINGRebel' timestamp='1357269579' post='6164469']
I didn't regret at first as I couldn't miss a shot and ridiculously forgiving, then as I played more I missed some of the lower shots I could play with the 56. Went back to the 56 and really regretted giving up on the i20. Went to the new anser and problems solved! It's basically both clubs melded together.
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for 1600$ it better be

[Bodee]

Price tag for the new ansers are out of the equation for me. Would seem to me that if going with the other two, the perfect solution would be to combo the sets with the 56's on the lower end (ie. 7-w) and the i20's on the low end (3,4-6). But many didn't like the offset of the 20's in the 4 iron (for example). So, that is why I was leaning towards the 56's. Haven't hit either, but have the i15's, so the transition shouldn't be difficult.

[PINGWRXforeme]

I play with an i20/s56 combo set. The added forgiveness in the 4,5,6 irons make the offset seam to go away. It's pretty much my dream set.

[RainShadow]

I found the i20's much more forgiving for me. I liked the 56's but if I was having one of my more and more frequent "off "days, I'd begin to lose all confidence.
Not having that problem w/ the i20's. Have an off day and still like what I see when I look down at address.
I wanted to love the s56, but I just don't get to play or practice enough anymore.

[outwardnine]

I switched, I'm still not 100 percent sold on the I20s though. This isn't because of how they play, its more about how they look. I haven't played since November because of the stupid British weather but I'm playing tomorrow so we shall see if they keep their spot or I end up re shifting the x proto heads that I have in storage.........

[PingG10guy]

[quote name='Bodee' timestamp='1357269370' post='6164449']
I am deciding between these two sets. Heavily leaning towards the S56's. There have been threads comparing the two, but after having ample time, is anyone wishing they didn't switch once the "Honeymoon" was over?
[/quote]

It really depends on your swing and how good you really are. Personally I think I messed up by not getting the DG shaft in my i20s. But the i20 go so much farther, and straighter, and higher. And they spin less. There are more clubheads on the market now that you can play a high stock shot with into the wind. But the i20 was the first one I really enjoyed gaming.

I still keep a S56 5 iron in gold dot as a practice club though. I wont cram the thread with all the silly technical reasons why, but there is a noticeably difference in forgiveness. The S56 is tremendously forgiving for its head size though.

I may buy a set of S56 in the future just because of what it will cost me to reshaft. i20 is the reborn i5. They are both great irons

[pullfade]

For me the I20 is a great design, and I love the s56 as well. As said before, the s56 is very forgiving for what they are. My ballspeeds are actually higher with the s56.

I have had three sets of I20 now and the only drawback has been the long irons and the offset. Remind me a lot of the I3 irons. For me the 5 iron is borderline but I struggle with the 3 and 4. Not the case with the s56. I have no problem hitting those long irons. Go figure.

IMO....go I20 hybrid 20/23...I20 irons 5-9 iron...47 52 58 gorge wedges (or whatever combo you feel comfortable with). Perfect.

[TMelectric]

+1 for the Ansers. I just received my set and have two rounds in them and am so glad I bought them. Bought them off Ebay for $1000.00. brand new and my specs. I have the G20, I20, and now Ansers so I can't comment on the S56's but I am hitting the Ansers better than my I20's. At least so far.

[Nessism]

Both sets have a faithful following on the various pro tours. Picking one over the other relates mostly to appearance and the bias that creates.

S56 blade length is shorter and they have less offset, particularly in the long irons. i20 has higher MOI for more forgiveness, but (arguably) less workability.

In my opinion, I'd say get the i's unless your club appearance bias forces your hand toward the more players oriented clubs. Some of the best players in the world use i20 so don't allow yourself to become tricked by thinking offset is bad or the wider sole will drag though the turf. The i20 short irons are small and compact, so a combo set seems silly to me (not that you asked).

Awesome clubs either way. You can't go wrong.

[tyro]

[quote name='pullfade' timestamp='1357302025' post='6166013']I have had three sets of I20 now and the only drawback has been the long irons and the offset. Remind me a lot of the I3 irons. For me the 5 iron is borderline but I struggle with the 3 and 4. Not the case with the s56. I have no problem hitting those long irons. Go figure.

IMO....go I20 hybrid 20/23...I20 irons 5-9 iron...47 52 58 gorge wedges (or whatever combo you feel comfortable with). Perfect.
[/quote]

I have the same issue with the i20 long irons. I carry an i20 20* hybrid and then 5-P with CFS Stiff shafts, yellow dot. Even my 5 and 6 give me issues with the offset. I hit much less forgiving clubs better in the long irons quite a bit better for some reason. I can't quite figure it out because they are supposed to be MORE forgiving, not less so. From the 7 iron up, they are money. I may need to try a set of S56 (or S55?!) at some point. I wish Ping had a version of the 4-6 irons with less offset.

My i20 20* hybrid is a real "go to" club. It gets me out of trouble. A real workhorse for me.

I'm psyched to try the G25 driver, fairway, and hybrid. Could be all Ping on the top the bag for me next year.

[mr_divots]

I have both shafted with C-tapers and am a little torn. The 20's are big and forgiving (moreso than anything I've played for a few years.) I like them really well up until the 5,4, and 3 irons. Quite a bit of offset. And the soles are wider than what I've been playing. I actually feel like I have to be as accurate with my strike with the 20's as with the S56's or that wide sole and bounce is going to actually be fighting with me a bit. I've found I tend to hit it thin/low with the 20's if I miss. I'm around scratch to 2 handicap these days and the 56's feel better and are more versatile for me. With the tungsten weight in the toe, the 56's are surprisingly forgiving for their head size.

As to a combo set between the two: I think the long irons are going to be the deciding factor for many on this set and would stick out like a sore thumb with the S56 short irons. I really hope Ping does a [u]reduced offset version of the i20's[/u] for their i25 release. The classic Ping conundrum: too much forgiveness for some, too little in the next set up. Something more like the AP2 where the offsets are kept in check would be nice. I feel like I'm playing G20's by the time I get to the long irons with the i20's. The offset really shifts the COG and the head mass feels like it's six inches from the shaft axis. Makes them feel a bit clunky. If they were more like the 6-PW throughout the set, I'd bag them a lot more.

[OrangeCrush]

[quote name='mr_divots' timestamp='1357324529' post='6167889']
As to a combo set between the two: I think the long irons are going to be the deciding factor for many on this set and would stick out like a sore thumb with the S56 short irons. I really hope Ping does a [b][u]reduced offset version of the i20's[/u][/b] for their i25 release.
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Exactly! I can stand the i20's from the 6-PW and after that forget it! There is just too steep of an increase in offset from the 6 to the 5 to the 4. Make it a more uniform .02 gap at most

[Joshzilla]

[quote name='Nessism' timestamp='1357311749' post='6166609']
Both sets have a faithful following on the various pro tours. Picking one over the other relates mostly to appearance and the bias that creates.

S56 blade length is shorter and they have less offset, particularly in the long irons. i20 has higher MOI for more forgiveness, but (arguably) less workability.

In my opinion, I'd say get the i's unless your club appearance bias forces your hand toward the more players oriented clubs. Some of the best players in the world use i20 so don't allow yourself to become tricked by thinking offset is bad or the wider sole will drag though the turf. T[b]he i20 short irons are small and compact,[/b] so a combo set seems silly to me (not that you asked).

Awesome clubs either way. You can't go wrong.
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I have always read that the i20 short irons are basically s56's. Not sure if there's any truth to it, though.

[Bodee]

[quote name='mr_divots' timestamp='1357324529' post='6167889']
I have both shafted with C-tapers and am a little torn. The 20's are big and forgiving (moreso than anything I've played for a few years.) I like them really well up until the 5,4, and 3 irons. Quite a bit of offset. And the soles are wider than what I've been playing. I actually feel like I have to be as accurate with my strike with the 20's as with the S56's or that wide sole and bounce is going to actually be fighting with me a bit. I've found I tend to hit it thin/low with the 20's if I miss. I'm around scratch to 2 handicap these days and the 56's feel better and are more versatile for me. With the tungsten weight in the toe, the 56's are surprisingly forgiving for their head size.

As to a combo set between the two: I think the long irons are going to be the deciding factor for many on this set and would stick out like a sore thumb with the S56 short irons. I really hope Ping does a [u]reduced offset version of the i20's[/u] for their i25 release. The classic Ping conundrum: too much forgiveness for some, too little in the next set up. Something more like the AP2 where the offsets are kept in check would be nice. I feel like I'm playing G20's by the time I get to the long irons with the i20's. The offset really shifts the COG and the head mass feels like it's six inches from the shaft axis. Makes them feel a bit clunky. If they were more like the 6-PW throughout the set, I'd bag them a lot more.
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Do you find that you have similar yardages per club from one set to the other? I've read that most find that they are 1/2 - 1 club longer with the i20's. Others have said no distance from one to the other as long as hit flushed. What's you take on that?

[PINGRebel]

[quote name='Coy M' timestamp='1357269848' post='6164499']
[quote name='PINGRebel' timestamp='1357269579' post='6164469']
I didn't regret at first as I couldn't miss a shot and ridiculously forgiving, then as I played more I missed some of the lower shots I could play with the 56. Went back to the 56 and really regretted giving up on the i20. Went to the new anser and problems solved! It's basically both clubs melded together.
[/quote]

for 1600$ it better be
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Or $900 as I paid, and yes, way worth it.....

[deck]

Better question for bodee would be any difference in going from the i15's to the i20's?

[Bodee]

[quote name='deck' timestamp='1357351385' post='6170641']
Better question for bodee would be any difference in going from the i15's to the i20's?
[/quote]

Now did ya really have to confuse me further????? lmao Looking forward to giving ya a good ole fashion a$$ whoopin on the course next summer!! lol

[sTmGolfer]

I've played and love both. For me, I prefer the i20's because of the sole and turf interaction. They both feel equally awesome.

[Dizz]

[quote name='deck' timestamp='1357351385' post='6170641']
Better question for bodee would be any difference in going from the i15's to the i20's?
[/quote]

Maybe their biggest improvement from one generation to the next. The i20's look better (opinion), better ball speeds, more forgiving and launch it higher with less spin. The last one is a fitting anomaly.

[bhunzel]

Owned both the i15 and i20's. I20's are superior in terms of feel to me which makes them worth it. KBS tour stiff in the 20's and KBS xstiff in the 15's but I don't think that was the difference.

Highly recommend the 20's for feel alone.

[mws92]

As someone coming from mizuno mp58/68s I never thought I would like the i20s and worried about working the ball and flighting it down.

After one round I was hooked. I got over the look pretty quickly. Also the CG is higher in the shorter irons to keep them from ballooning. Now I've hit the s56 and they are sweet but the confidence and the ease of hitting the ball removed my stress.

[stumblinhorse]

I have had all of them including now the new ansers. Played most of last year with I20s. The s56s were by far the best clubs... to ruin my confidence and my score! I practiced and practiced with them and would think "I got it" and then go out and just struggle. I sold them and am waiting to try the ansers. I still have i15s, and would say you if you want something like the s56s, try them first. They are more similar in spin and launch then i20s.

[fairwaysRoverated]

[quote name='Bodee' timestamp='1357270157' post='6164545']
Price tag for the new ansers are out of the equation for me. Would seem to me that if going with the other two, the perfect solution would be to combo the sets with the 56's on the lower end (ie. 7-w) and the i20's on the low end (3,4-6). But many didn't like the offset of the 20's in the 4 iron (for example). So, that is why I was leaning towards the 56's. Haven't hit either, but have the i15's, so the transition shouldn't be difficult.
[/quote]If you do this you should look into strengthening the 56's as they are about a club shorter than the I20's and you may have a gao between your 6 and 7 iron. Just a heads up as I've played both for a while and 56's are notoriously shorter.

[pullfade]

[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1357358566' post='6171275']
[quote name='deck' timestamp='1357351385' post='6170641']
Better question for bodee would be any difference in going from the i15's to the i20's?
[/quote]

Maybe their biggest improvement from one generation to the next. The i20's look better (opinion), better ball speeds, more forgiving and launch it higher with less spin. The last one is a fitting anomaly.
[/quote]

High launch and low spin is usually saved for drivers??? The I20's do exactly that but somehow stick the greens. It is funny some of the crater size ball marks I have had to fix! On softer greens my ball has stayed right in the ball mark....

[Bodee]

Thx for all the imput everyone. I guess for the amount I am able to play, the i20's would be the smarter choice. I think that since I don't mind the offset in longer irons of my i15's, the i20's should be a piece of cake as they have a little less.

[outwardnine]

[quote name='outwardnine' timestamp='1357285100' post='6165625']
I switched, I'm still not 100 percent sold on the I20s though. This isn't because of how they play, its more about how they look. I haven't played since November because of the stupid British weather but I'm playing tomorrow so we shall see if they keep their spot or I end up re shifting the x proto heads that I have in storage.........
[/quote]

The results are in. Played in muddy old England and the I20s delivered. Easy to elevate, good on soft ground, point and shoot.

Still, I've just ordered the new shafts and grips for the x protos...............

[Dizz]

[quote name='pullfade' timestamp='1357391954' post='6172331']
[quote name='J.W.' timestamp='1357358566' post='6171275']
[quote name='deck' timestamp='1357351385' post='6170641']
Better question for bodee would be any difference in going from the i15's to the i20's?
[/quote]

Maybe their biggest improvement from one generation to the next. The i20's look better (opinion), better ball speeds, more forgiving and launch it higher with less spin. The last one is a fitting anomaly.
[/quote]

High launch and low spin is usually saved for drivers??? The I20's do exactly that but somehow stick the greens. It is funny some of the crater size ball marks I have had to fix! On softer greens my ball has stayed right in the ball mark....
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Sure, if the launch is higher the land angle is steeper. The ball either stops with trajectory or spin.

[zack175]

I was an i10 player from 2008-2011 before I got my Razr MBs. I demoed both the s56s and i20s and both irons are a lot more forgiving than my old i10s in my opinion it comes down to what looks best to you at address.
But if you miss a lot of shots thin or put on the toe then you should definitely go with the i20s bc the s56s don't like thin shots at all lol.
But what do I know I play b stone combos now lol.
Demo them both and pick what's best for you, but be sure to get the right shafts or neither one will perform as well as they can.

By the way the S56s with KBS tours were great, almost as good as the i20s with x100s