When you buy Adams are you really buying TM?

[frybot]

Clearly, since being taken over by TM, Adams equipment (in particular drivers and fws) bear a family resemblance to TM's own equipment. I was wondering to what extent Adams retains control over the design of their own products or is TM basically dictating exactly what Adams release? What about Titleist/Cobra, Srixon/Cleveland and Callaway/Odyssey?

 

The marketing strategy betwwen Titleist/Cobra seems to make sense to me: Titleist being fairly conservative and Cobra a bit flashy.

Callaway don't make putters anymore so they don't seem to conflict.

Srixon don't make wedges.

 

I would have thought that TM might want to give Adams a seperate identity. I know plenty of people who don't want to play white drivers and fairways.

 

I certainly don't have any stake in any of this, just curious to know how much autonomy these companies have.

 

Anyone know?

 

Or care? (cool)

[ignitewvu]

Not as of the 2013 line its 100% adams.

Adidas might cut the paycheck but its still adams design and manufacturing.

[Vindog]

You probably already know this. But Cobra isn't owned by Acushnet anymore, and hasn't been for some time.

[frybot]

[quote name='Vindog' timestamp='1368028449' post='6992314']
You probably already know this. But Cobra isn't owned by Acushnet anymore, and hasn't been for some time.
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Sorry, I didn't know, my mistake.

[Go_Blue!]

Puma and Cobra now.

[SEP1006]

I really hope that TM leaves Adams alone. I don't see it happening but only time will tell.

I will say one thing for TM, they are some marketing genius's!!!!!!!

[Badgergolfer2]

One way or another, you are supporting TM, which would be my main reason for not buying Adams clubs anymore.

[blink3665]

I hope that TM and Adams stay seperate. From all the interviews it sounds like that will be the case. Puma/Cobra is going for a pretty specific market/demographic. i like their clothes, but shy away from the equipment.

[Mikey Town]

When you buy Adams, you are buying Adams... but you are paying Taylor Made.

[Willie Malay]

So, you're buying TM. When you bought a Saturn you bought GM...

[nitram]

[quote name='Mikey Town' timestamp='1368032911' post='6992926']
When you buy Adams, you are buying Adams... but you are paying Taylor Made.
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and actually paying Adidas......

[goondawg]

[quote name='nitram' timestamp='1368063333' post='6996056']
[quote name='Mikey Town' timestamp='1368032911' post='6992926']
When you buy Adams, you are buying Adams... but you are paying Taylor Made.
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and actually paying Adidas......
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^^^this^^^^

[Cwing]

Isn't the OP's question asking if the current Adams line is an original Adams designed product or is it a TM driven product? It sure does look like a TM driver.

[Ozsouthpaw]

Seems to me that it may be the other way so far, excepting for the white paint jobs.TM products picking up Adams innovation eg. 'speed slots in fw woods etc.
CEO stated at time of purchase one of the reasons they purchased Adams was for their technology and innovation.
As for the TMag knockers I have to say that at least they support the whole market and don't discriminate against us leftys like some JDM's do

[goondawg]

[quote name='Cwing' timestamp='1368063932' post='6996160']
Isn't the OP's question asking if the current Adams line is an original Adams designed product or is it a TM driven product? It sure does look like a TM driver.
[/quote]

Adams is still in control over their product.

[dunn]

just a money thing.....everything is the same, just a label/corporate mumbo

[isaacbm]

It's more like: when you're buying Taylormade, you're really buying Adams... They mostly bought Adams to avoid patent lawsuit.

[Scott4bird]

I hope tm/adidas leaves Adams alone, but I doubt it. Give them a few years.

[rafal]

[i]<insert bitter anti-TM statement here>[/i]

[Goldenhawk]

The Super XTD woods and hybrids, and the CB3 and CMB irons were the last truly great Adams gear. Everything after that had TM influence.

How else can one explain when the Super XTDs were taken off the market because they were longer than the RBZs last year? It would certainly explain why this year's follow up to the Super XTDs do not even come close in performance.

[Lefty19]

[quote name='isaacbm' timestamp='1368071670' post='6997006']
It's more like: when you're buying Taylormade, you're really buying Adams... They mostly bought Adams to avoid patent lawsuit.
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BINGO..... Rocketballz-ier may not have made TM any money if they wouldn't have bought Adams and the cut design I believe...

-David

[Llortamaisey]

I know Adams retained most of there designers in the acquisition but I heard that TMAG switched Adams production facility overseas to the same one that manufactures Taylormade products. This is probably a good thing.

[xerpro]

[quote name='Lefty19' timestamp='1368101879' post='6998000']
[quote name='isaacbm' timestamp='1368071670' post='6997006']
It's more like: when you're buying Taylormade, you're really buying Adams... They mostly bought Adams to avoid patent lawsuit.
[/quote]


BINGO..... Rocketballz-ier may not have made TM any money if they wouldn't have bought Adams and the cut design I believe...

-David
[/quote]

Thats not even remotely close to the truth....Actually Acushnet applied for the original patent. This is the history of patent records, and no where is adams found.


Citing Patent Filing date Publication date Applicant Title [url="http://www.google.com/patents/US8083612"]US8083612[/url] Aug 6, 2009 Dec 27, 2011 Nike, Inc. Golf club head or other ball striking device having one or more face channels [url="http://www.google.com/patents/US8088025"]US8088025[/url] Jul 29,
2009 Jan 3, 2012 Taylor Made Golf Company, Inc. Golf club head [url="http://www.google.com/patents/US8187116"]US8187116[/url] Jun 23, 2009 May 29, 2012 Nike, Inc. Golf clubs and golf club heads [url="http://www.google.com/patents/US8235841"]US8235841[/url] Jul 23, 2010 Aug 7, 2012 Nike, Inc. Golf club head or other ball striking device having impact-influencing body features [url="http://www.google.com/patents/US8328663"]US8328663[/url] Dec 15, 2011 Dec 11, 2012 Taylor Made Golf Company, Inc. Golf club head [url="http://www.google.com/patents/WO2011011699A1?cl=en"]WO2011011699A1[/url] Jul 23, 2010 Jan 27, 2011 Nike International, Ltd. Golf club head or other ball striking device having impact-influence body features

[BlkNGld]

If you go by what TMs people said when the deal closed, TM was going to be aimed toward the better player and Adams the more casual.

From that it would be easy to conclude that Adams is going the way of box sets and shovels, but there are a lot of innovations that start out in the SGI world and as they are refined and time passes they become accepted by better players (hybrids, for example).

I don't think we will be able to really judge for another few years what the true TM/Adams situation will be. The current product line, maybe even the next one, was already on the board when the buyout happened. Changing the color scheme on the crown is a relatively easy thing to do.

[bullie76]

[quote name='Gaijin_Golfer' timestamp='1368031613' post='6992752']
One way or another, you are supporting TM, which would be my main reason for not buying Adams clubs anymore.
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I love TM and Adams equipment. Suits my game just fine, so glad to support both. Never have understood why people hate a particular brand because of marketing or some outside influence. I don't hate any brand and would buy from any if I felt their equipment benefited me. Marketing is just marketing. I pay little attention to it.

[goondawg]

[quote name='Goldenhawk' timestamp='1368100919' post='6997934']
The Super XTD woods and hybrids, and the CB3 and CMB irons were the last truly great Adams gear. Everything after that had TM influence.

How else can one explain when the Super XTDs were taken off the market because they were longer than the RBZs last year? It would certainly explain why this year's follow up to the Super XTDs do not even come close in performance.
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Some of the early run XTD heads had a problem with the toe weight coming off. The vendor Adams was using couldn't fix it so that vendor was canned and a new vendor was used. This caused a big hold up in production. It had NOTHING to do with TM.

This years Super LS is actually hotter than the last years XTD. It is a little less spinning so it might not be as long as the XTD for all but for most it is longer. If the Super Ls is shorter for you then you might have benefited from the higher spinning XTD head

[ignitewvu]

[quote name='goondawg ' timestamp='1368113564' post='6999284']
[quote name='Goldenhawk' timestamp='1368100919' post='6997934']
The Super XTD woods and hybrids, and the CB3 and CMB irons were the last truly great Adams gear. Everything after that had TM influence.

How else can one explain when the Super XTDs were taken off the market because they were longer than the RBZs last year? It would certainly explain why this year's follow up to the Super XTDs do not even come close in performance.
[/quote]


Some of the early run XTD heads had a problem with the toe weight coming off. The vendor Adams was using couldn't fix it so that vendor was canned and a new vendor was used. This caused a big hold up in production. It had NOTHING to do with TM.

This years Super LS is actually hotter than the last years XTD. It is a little less spinning so it might not be as long as the XTD for all but for most it is longer. If the Super Ls is shorter for you then you might have benefited from the higher spinning XTD head
[/quote]

Yup the super ls fairway is a fantastic club.

[ReinyDays]

i feel like adams is the mad scientist for TM. Adams does all the crazy changes that say help increase ball speed and if they actually work then TM will think about implementing them in their clubs (i.e speed slot in their woods). but that is just my 2 cents

[MixedBag]

[quote name='Cwing' timestamp='1368063932' post='6996160']
Isn't the OP's question asking if the current Adams line is an original Adams designed product or is it a TM driven product? It sure does look like a TM driver.
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No, not even close. I work for a huge software company (about 33 companies combined now). Our R&Ds are totally seperate. Actually, the only complaint we get from our customers is that we do not act/communicate as one company.....and, we never will.....FYI, out of the 33 combined, 2 were massive (#1 and #2 in the industry worldwide)

[isaacbm]

[quote name='xerpro' timestamp='1368103189' post='6998098']
[quote name='Lefty19' timestamp='1368101879' post='6998000']
[quote name='isaacbm' timestamp='1368071670' post='6997006']
It's more like: when you're buying Taylormade, you're really buying Adams... They mostly bought Adams to avoid patent lawsuit.
[/quote]


BINGO..... Rocketballz-ier may not have made TM any money if they wouldn't have bought Adams and the cut design I believe...

-David
[/quote]

Thats not even remotely close to the truth....Actually Acushnet applied for the original patent. This is the history of patent records, and no where is adams found.


Citing Patent Filing date Publication date Applicant Title [url="http://www.google.com/patents/US8083612"]US8083612[/url] Aug 6, 2009 Dec 27, 2011 Nike, Inc. Golf club head or other ball striking device having one or more face channels [url="http://www.google.com/patents/US8088025"]US8088025[/url] Jul 29,
2009 Jan 3, 2012 Taylor Made Golf Company, Inc. Golf club head [url="http://www.google.com/patents/US8187116"]US8187116[/url] Jun 23, 2009 May 29, 2012 Nike, Inc. Golf clubs and golf club heads [url="http://www.google.com/patents/US8235841"]US8235841[/url] Jul 23, 2010 Aug 7, 2012 Nike, Inc. Golf club head or other ball striking device having impact-influencing body features [url="http://www.google.com/patents/US8328663"]US8328663[/url] Dec 15, 2011 Dec 11, 2012 Taylor Made Golf Company, Inc. Golf club head [url="http://www.google.com/patents/WO2011011699A1?cl=en"]WO2011011699A1[/url] Jul 23, 2010 Jan 27, 2011 Nike International, Ltd. Golf club head or other ball striking device having impact-influence body features
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What's with messing up my opinion with facts?? Lol!!