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I have searched for and read some of the other posts on this subject but I feel this is a bit more specific. I have a friend that I play golf with occasionally and 9 times out of 10 he gets extremely angry towards the half way point of the back 9 (Usually, sometimes its sooner). I mean start throwing his clubs, his ball, slamming his clubs into the bag, not talking to anyone. This last round he did all that and then actually got out of the cart and started walking, saying I was driving the cart to rough (I missed a little trench on the cart path and the cart jumped pretty bad). Now I know he gets mad because he practices almost every day and hits the ball great on the range, but when he goes to the course instead of letting his swing do its thing he tries to control the ball, when it doesn't do what he wants he loses it. It makes for a very uncomfortable round for everyone involved. Our usual group is me, him, and our fathers. We played Saturday and he didn't say goodbye to either his father or myself and I was parked next too him. He just got in his car and literally sped off the golf course, embarrassing doesn't begin to cover it. His dad walked over to me after the round and commented it would be a long time before he plays with him again.

 

Sorry for the rant but I felt some back story was needed.

 

My issue is this, we are room mates. We live in a house together with my girlfriend and his fiance. It's easy enough for me to turn him down for a round. Generally a "no thanks" will suffice. But how do I go play 18 without asking him to go? We have been long time friends and I don't want to ruin the friendship over golf, but I also don't want golf ruined because of a bad attitude.

 

Any and all suggestions, or questions welcome.

 

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Honesty is the best policy in this case. Until he learns yo control his behavior, you're going to have to play without him.

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When he goes on his rants, grab your cellphone and video him. Show it to him after the round. Ask him, "Would you want to golf with this guy?" Then ask him, "Does getting angry like that help your game, or hurt it?"

Or, if you want to be a smartass, after he throws a club after a bad shot, tell him, "It's not the club's fault you suck at golf." :D

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Agreed. what's the issue with just telling him "Dude! Knock that (Stuff) off! You act like a child!"? I mean, my God man, the dude's [i]dad [/i]doesn't want to play with him! Sometimes people can be so wrapped up in the game, all of their normal behavior traits go right out the window. I think you should make a tee time, for 3, next weekend, don't tell him until you're out the door and then, send him a picture of you, your pops, and his, all SMILING on the first tee. "WIsh you were[s]n't such a fun sucking hot headed moron[/s] here!"

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People that get outwardly angry, rant and rave and throw clubs, often show that behavior in other parts of their life as well. I am not tolerant of people that behave that way...period. If it happens once, OK, but more than that is when I say something. You have a serious problem though, you're in a group house. I don't think there is an absolute solution, but talk to him. I hope for your sake and others, he listens, but I don't believe that will be the case.

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[quote name='Barnacle' timestamp='1372088341' post='7313106']
I have searched for and read some of the other posts on this subject but I feel this is a bit more specific. I have a friend that I play golf with occasionally and 9 times out of 10 he gets extremely angry towards the half way point of the back 9 (Usually, sometimes its sooner). I mean start throwing his clubs, his ball, slamming his clubs into the bag, not talking to anyone. This last round he did all that and then actually got out of the cart and started walking, saying I was driving the cart to rough (I missed a little trench on the cart path and the cart jumped pretty bad). Now I know he gets mad because he practices almost every day and hits the ball great on the range, but when he goes to the course instead of letting his swing do its thing he tries to control the ball, when it doesn't do what he wants he loses it. It makes for a very uncomfortable round for everyone involved. Our usual group is me, him, and our fathers. We played Saturday and he didn't say goodbye to either his father or myself and I was parked next too him. He just got in his car and literally sped off the golf course, embarrassing doesn't begin to cover it. His dad walked over to me after the round and commented it would be a long time before he plays with him again.

Sorry for the rant but I felt some back story was needed.

My issue is this, we are room mates. We live in a house together with my girlfriend and his fiance. It's easy enough for me to turn him down for a round. Generally a "no thanks" will suffice. But how do I go play 18 without asking him to go? We have been long time friends and I don't want to ruin the friendship over golf, but I also don't want golf ruined because of a bad attitude.

Any and all suggestions, or questions welcome.

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Ask him to show his tour card and his staff bag with his name and his endorsement money? When he looks at you confused...tell him to stop acting like a child, enjoy the round especially with your fathers, and enjoy the time spent on the course. Either that or you wont play with him until he gets his anger in control. I can understand being frustrated and slamming a club on ONE shot that you hit poorly. But for the entire round and then speeding off and not saying goodbye to you or your fathers is a sign of someone with some real issues. Again, unless you're playing this game for millions of dollars, telll him to stop acting like a d*uche...and even if you are playing for millions...stop acting like a d*uche anyway. Be glad and happy you can play this amazing game.

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ask him why he is mad .. see what he says

I guarantee you he wants to impress who he is playing with and is embarrassed when he slashes it around. He has become score focused and not process focused

Put the onus on him. "hey, your behavior ruins the day for the rest of the group" "life is more than a golf score" etc

FYI - about 8 yrs ago I stopped playing with a hot head .. it was intolerable ,, even after an "intervention"

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[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1372089059' post='7313222']
People that get outwardly angry, rant and rave and throw clubs, often show that behavior in other parts of their life as well. I am not tolerant of people that behave that way...period. If it happens once, OK, but more than that is when I say something. You have a serious problem though, you're in a group house. I don't think there is an absolute solution, but talk to him. I hope for your sake and others, he listens, but I don't believe that will be the case.
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People don't change--just don't golf with him.
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Pretty much what I think. It was actually brought up two weeks ago after the round between all 4 of us. My Dad called him out on it, and my friend admitted he has a problem. Obviously he did not fix his problem. I have several other issues with my friend as well (not counting all his strokes, somehow shooting a miraculous one over par when none of us are playing with him then shooting 100 on Saturday, always finding his lost ball when no one is in the cart with him...).


Basically I think you guys are right that I need to be straight up with him next time I golf and say that you need to work on your temper before I play with you again. At that point its really up to him how he wants to handle it. It might suck and cause a lot of tension but that's on him at that point.

Thanks for the advice, I guess we could turn this into another angry golfer thread. Stories of good friends and what you did with the situation only.

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[quote name='cardoustie' timestamp='1372089941' post='7313328']
ask him why he is mad .. see what he says

I guarantee you he wants to impress who he is playing with and is embarrassed when he slashes it around. He has become score focused and not process focused

Put the onus on him. "hey, your behavior ruins the day for the rest of the group" "life is more than a golf score" etc

FYI - about 8 yrs ago I stopped playing with a hot head .. it was intolerable ,, even after an "intervention"
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I pretty much agree with Cardoustie. Let him know his behavior affects the rest of the group (you) and that you need you own 'mental space' to play well. Then just tell him to relax. If he doesn't, then tell him afterward you cannot play with him until he learns to internalize and chill.

I have a golfing partner who nobody wants to play with in our weekly group - because he acts out by running his #$$@@% MOUTH every hole, tee to green, about his bad shots, and asks inane and stupid questions incessantly (like, after running a putt 14 feet past the hole, he asks "did I hit that too hard?"). But he seems to be okay with me for some reason - still asks too many questions, but manageable. Yesterday, we shared a cart, and I told him before we starteed: "Hey, it's gonna be a Great Day -- we're gonna relax, play our games, and not dwell on any particular shots." I think it helped him, especially when I pumped a dbl-bogey on the par-5 first hole - an EASY birdie/par hole, then just said "Boy, I certainly blew that one up", and proceeded to card a 78 for the round.

Punch line, he relaxed, we talked, and he shot his best round of the year - an 83.

So that works. If it does not work, then you need to lose him as a partner 'til his you-know-whats descend a little more..

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Your best bet is to just talk to him about it first. Tell him what you are seeing and that it makes everyone in the group uncomfortable and doesn't allow the rest of you to enjoy your time on the course. Remind him that your time on the course is supposed to be fun and enjoyable. He will say something like "I work so hard on the range so I just get mad when it doesn't show on the course"... and your response to that should be whatever comes to your head first. Just be honest with him.

After a serious talk play with him a couple more times and remind him of the talk if he acts out on the course again. I'm sure he has made a habit of throwing tantrums by now so you will need to remind him or he'll do it without even thinking.
If he ignores your feelings after all that than stop playing with him. Your living situation makes things more difficult because he might get mad and start acting out at home too.
Honestly he doesn't sound like a man of good character or control.
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[quote name='Pepperturbo' timestamp='1372089059' post='7313222']
People that get outwardly angry, rant and rave and throw clubs, often show that behavior in other parts of their life as well. I am not tolerant of people that behave that way...period. If it happens once, OK, but more than that is when I say something. You have a serious problem though, you're in a group house. I don't think there is an absolute solution, but talk to him. I hope for your sake and others, he listens, but I don't believe that will be the case.
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Pepper is right. This is likely not an isolated incident. Reason I know this is because I tend to have "anger" blow ups myself...much more so when I was younger. There could be a lot of things this is stemming from...mine typically is from high "expectations" and feelings of how something "should be". When those don't align...well...it's like a volcano.

I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing to have a high expectations or be idealistic, but how you react when things don't "work out" is another thing altogether. I still get upset and have my moments, but I've always been really careful that I don't take out my frustration on others.

As I've grown older, I've tried hard to take things in perspective and realize how outbursts can affect other people. It should be safe to say that your friend likely acts this way with many other things in life. As of yet, there is likely have very little consequence for him to see that his behavior is a problem. I don't think you can try to "change" him (he has to want that) by telling him to cut it out, but you can tell him how his behavior makes you feel and the potential consequence (you decide to discontinue playing golf with him). If he values your friendship (on and off the golf course), he may decide to look at himself a little harder.

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OK wait a second, he has already been confronted, acknowledged the issue and still continues? Straight up tell him, I'll go one more time, if you suck the fun right out of the game for the rest of us again, it will be the last time it happens. [i]Do You Understand The Words Coming Outta My Mouth?[/i]

[size=4]Quit being scared to confront him. He has to know it's coming[i]. [/i]You aren't the bad guy here. You are trying to enjoy the game and the time with your dad out there. His behavior is having deleterious effect in that pursuit.[/size]

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Had the same issue of a buddy just sucking the fun out of golf. Sadly, despite confronting him and various ultimatums, he just could not get it under control so I don't play with him anymore.

I wish you better luck with your situation.

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[quote name='kencanuck' timestamp='1372092408' post='7313640']
Had the same issue of a buddy just sucking the fun out of golf. Sadly, despite confronting him and various ultimatums, he just could not get it under control so I don't play with him anymore.

I wish you better luck with your situation.
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At least you were smart enough to get away from someone like that. People need to realize that they are paying to play and need to take the time to enjoy what they are paying for, and what others have paid for.

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[quote name='KYMAR' timestamp='1372091967' post='7313570']
OK wait a second, he has already been confronted, acknowledged the issue and still continues? Straight up tell him, I'll go one more time, if you suck the fun right out of the game for the rest of us again, it will be the last time it happens. [i]Do You Understand The Words Coming Outta My Mouth?[/i]

Quit being scared to confront him. He has to know it's coming[i]. [/i]You aren't the bad guy here. You are trying to enjoy the game and the time with your dad out there. His behavior is having deleterious effect in that pursuit.
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It has nothing to do with being scared to confront him and everything to do with timing. Not sure if you saw it, but we live together. Going to extremes with him is not going to work. It would put a huge strain on what is already a delicate living situation (as most are).

Unfortunately I think the only thing to do for it is to stop playing with him. When he asks why I never invite him out I will then take that opportunity to explain why.

Personally I think his issues are this

He practices a ton but it doesn't show on the course.
He doesn't know how to count and will often forget a stroke (he rarely finishes out a putt and I think he forgets to count that extra stroke)
He "scores" really well when the regular foursome isn't around... then plays like poo when we are? I think he lies about the good scores.
He just paid a ton of money for brand new Taylor Made Irons, Taylor Made Wood, Taylor Made Putter, and Taylor Made R1 (even though he already had a brand new Rocket Ballz).
And I honestly don't know if this affects him or not but I usually beat him, even though we aren't competitive about it(well I am but I don't mention it.)

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No, his issue is that he is an adult who cannot control his behavior in any acceptable fashion. Any reasons he or you give are irrelevant. Asking an adult to change his "attitude" is an exercise in frustration. His attitude doesn't matter to you or anyone else. Only his behavior matters.

1) Don't play golf with him any more.
2) Don't live with him any more.

Both of those are the correct solution.

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[quote name='KYMAR' timestamp='1372091967' post='7313570']
OK wait a second, he has already been confronted, acknowledged the issue and still continues? Straight up tell him, I'll go one more time, if you suck the fun right out of the game for the rest of us again, it will be the last time it happens. [i]Do You Understand The Words Coming Outta My Mouth?[/i]

Quit being scared to confront him. He has to know it's coming[i]. [/i]You aren't the bad guy here. You are trying to enjoy the game and the time with your dad out there. His behavior is having deleterious effect in that pursuit.
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It has nothing to do with being scared to confront him and everything to do with timing. Not sure if you saw it, but we live together. Going to extremes with him is not going to work. It would put a huge strain on what is already a delicate living situation (as most are).

Unfortunately I think the only thing to do for it is to stop playing with him. When he asks why I never invite him out I will then take that opportunity to explain why.

Personally I think his issues are this

He practices a ton but it doesn't show on the course.
He doesn't know how to count and will often forget a stroke (he rarely finishes out a putt and I think he forgets to count that extra stroke)
He "scores" really well when the regular foursome isn't around... then plays like poo when we are? I think he lies about the good scores.
He just paid a ton of money for brand new Taylor Made Irons, Taylor Made Wood, Taylor Made Putter, and Taylor Made R1 (even though he already had a brand new Rocket Ballz).
And I honestly don't know if this affects him or not but I usually beat him, even though we aren't competitive about it(well I am but I don't mention it.)
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Make it a good time to talk. That's like waiting for the perfect moment to ask your boss for a raise... there isn't one. Just gotta pull up your big boy pants and have the talk.
It sounds like you are both in your 20's and still have some growing to do but the best thing you can do with him is just be honest. After that play the hand your dealt. If you just start going and playing without him and don't have a talk and give him a chance to better himself first than you might turn a shaky friendship/living situation into a worse one.

*Or if you don't care to spend the time and effort in making things better than follow the information from the poster above me. I don't think that's what you want though or else you wouldn't take the time to ask a public forum for advice.

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He's obviously very frustrated at the lack of scoring after practicing well, which can be very aggravating. Remind him he's never going to be Tiger Woods and he can start enjoying golf and his good shots, or not be invited to play with you anymore. Perhaps his father could talk to him seeing how you have to live with him. The older I get, the more I listen when my father tells me something.

It also sounds like he could benefit from a Bob Rotella book. They are very fast reads and have really changed my thinking when I play golf. Maybe you can get him Golf is Not a Game of Perfect, or Golf is a Game of Confidence as an upcoming birthday gift or something.

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[quote name='ctmason_98' timestamp='1372093520' post='7313818']

1) Don't play golf with him any more.
2) Don't live with him any more.


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That is going to happen, at least for a little while.
Lease is up in March, That won't work..



[quote]Make it a good time to talk. That's like waiting for the perfect moment to ask your boss for a raise... there isn't one. Just gotta pull up your big boy pants and have the talk.
It sounds like you are both in your 20's and still have some growing to do but the best thing you can do with him is just be honest. After that play the hand your dealt. If you just start going and playing without him and don't have a talk and give him a chance to better himself first than you might turn a shaky friendship/living situation into a worse one.

*Or if you don't care to spend the time and effort in making things better than follow the information from the poster above me. I don't think that's what you want though or else you wouldn't take the time to ask a public forum for advice.[/quote]


Guys I am not looking for the perfect time to talk to him. I think waiting until he asks why he isn't invited out anymore is as good as it will get. Its really a non issue off the course. To me its not worth the aggravation of say bringing it up out of the blue over spaghetti. [quote name='braby33' timestamp='1372093997' post='7313892']
Is it maybe the stress of trying to play up to his perception of his father's expectations that is causing his game to fall apart?
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His dad is an exceptional golfer +1 handicap generally. But his dad also didn't start playing until he was 21 and didn't get that good until his 30's. He doesn't expect perfection from my friend because he knows it would be unreasonable to do so.

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[quote name='Barnacle' timestamp='1372094381' post='7313934']
[quote name='ctmason_98' timestamp='1372093520' post='7313818']
1) Don't play golf with him any more.
2) Don't live with him any more.


[/quote]
That is going to happen, at least for a little while.
Lease is up in March, That won't work..



[quote]Make it a good time to talk. That's like waiting for the perfect moment to ask your boss for a raise... there isn't one. Just gotta pull up your big boy pants and have the talk.
It sounds like you are both in your 20's and still have some growing to do but the best thing you can do with him is just be honest. After that play the hand your dealt. If you just start going and playing without him and don't have a talk and give him a chance to better himself first than you might turn a shaky friendship/living situation into a worse one.

*Or if you don't care to spend the time and effort in making things better than follow the information from the poster above me. I don't think that's what you want though or else you wouldn't take the time to ask a public forum for advice.[/quote]


Guys I am not looking for the perfect time to talk to him. I think waiting until he asks why he isn't invited out anymore is as good as it will get. Its really a non issue off the course. To me its not worth the aggravation of say bringing it up out of the blue over spaghetti. [quote name='braby33' timestamp='1372093997' post='7313892']
Is it maybe the stress of trying to play up to his perception of his father's expectations that is causing his game to fall apart?
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His dad is an exceptional golfer +1 handicap generally. But his dad also didn't start playing until he was 21 and didn't get that good until his 30's. He doesn't expect perfection from my friend because he knows it would be unreasonable to do so.
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Just so i understand, You came in asking for advice on how to handle your angry, club tossing, red assed friend because you have a regular 4some with you 2 and your dads. You have heard poster after poster tell you that in order to fix this, you have to talk to him about it. You've decided the best thing to do is let this linger, say nothing and continue to golf without him? Of all the options on the table, this is the worst possible one you can choose, This comes from experience. You are INVITING this cloud to hang over you by remaining silent, In this desire to keep the peace in the living situation, you are merely adding spices to the S*** soup he's making and letting it simmer. you don't think he's gonna notice you're playing without him? You don't think he's gonna get a little pissed that you never invite him? You don't think you're going to notice that he is getting pissed? You don't think that, following the flow of where this is going, you aren't inevitably going to start to try to hide the fact that you're playing without him?

This "wait for him to say something" plan IS A DISASTER. All you're doing is bringing stress to yourself, and bitterness to him. So man up, maybe take him to the range, or go have a beer, and spit it out. You don't have to be a jerk to effectively communicate how serious you are about this. "dude, listen, your little outbursts and club tossing? Seriously, it's got to stop man it really makes it hard for the rest of us to even enjoy playing with you and if it doesn't stop I'm not going to" Once you've done that, the ENTIRE onus is on him. The next time you play he has to behave properly and if not, then there will be no need to hide or even worry about golfing without him. He has been warned. twice.

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[quote name='KYMAR' timestamp='1372089016' post='7313210']
Agreed. what's the issue with just telling him "Dude! Knock that (Stuff) off! You act like a child!"? I mean, my God man, the dude's [i]dad [/i]doesn't want to play with him! Sometimes people can be so wrapped up in the game, all of their normal behavior traits go right out the window. I think you should make a tee time, for 3, next weekend, don't tell him until you're out the door and then, send him a picture of you, your pops, and his, all SMILING on the first tee. "WIsh you were[s]n't such a fun sucking hot headed moron[/s] here!"
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You wrote fun sucking and my brain just combined the two... That's fun sucking awesome!!!

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[quote name='KYMAR' timestamp='1372095699' post='7314110']
[quote name='Barnacle' timestamp='1372094381' post='7313934']
[quote name='ctmason_98' timestamp='1372093520' post='7313818']
1) Don't play golf with him any more.
2) Don't live with him any more.


[/quote]
That is going to happen, at least for a little while.
Lease is up in March, That won't work..



[quote]Make it a good time to talk. That's like waiting for the perfect moment to ask your boss for a raise... there isn't one. Just gotta pull up your big boy pants and have the talk.
It sounds like you are both in your 20's and still have some growing to do but the best thing you can do with him is just be honest. After that play the hand your dealt. If you just start going and playing without him and don't have a talk and give him a chance to better himself first than you might turn a shaky friendship/living situation into a worse one.

*Or if you don't care to spend the time and effort in making things better than follow the information from the poster above me. I don't think that's what you want though or else you wouldn't take the time to ask a public forum for advice.[/quote]


Guys I am not looking for the perfect time to talk to him. I think waiting until he asks why he isn't invited out anymore is as good as it will get. Its really a non issue off the course. To me its not worth the aggravation of say bringing it up out of the blue over spaghetti. [quote name='braby33' timestamp='1372093997' post='7313892']
Is it maybe the stress of trying to play up to his perception of his father's expectations that is causing his game to fall apart?
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His dad is an exceptional golfer +1 handicap generally. But his dad also didn't start playing until he was 21 and didn't get that good until his 30's. He doesn't expect perfection from my friend because he knows it would be unreasonable to do so.
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Just so i understand, You came in asking for advice on how to handle your angry, club tossing, red assed friend because you have a regular 4some with you 2 and your dads. You have heard poster after poster tell you that in order to fix this, you have to talk to him about it. You've decided the best thing to do is let this linger, say nothing and continue to golf without him? Of all the options on the table, this is the worst possible one you can choose, This comes from experience. You are INVITING this cloud to hang over you by remaining silent, In this desire to keep the peace in the living situation, you are merely adding spices to the S*** soup he's making and letting it simmer. you don't think he's gonna notice you're playing without him? You don't think he's gonna get a little pissed that you never invite him? You don't think you're going to notice that he is getting pissed? You don't think that, following the flow of where this is going, you aren't inevitably going to start to try to hide the fact that you're playing without him?

This "wait for him to say something" plan IS A DISASTER. All you're doing is bringing stress to yourself, and bitterness to him. So man up, maybe take him to the range, or go have a beer, and spit it out. You don't have to be a jerk to effectively communicate how serious you are about this. "dude, listen, your little outbursts and club tossing? Seriously, it's got to stop man it really makes it hard for the rest of us to even enjoy playing with you and if it doesn't stop I'm not going to" Once you've done that, the ENTIRE onus is on him. The next time you play he has to behave properly and if not, then there will be no need to hide or even worry about golfing without him. He has been warned. twice.
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You are doing exactly what he does. Taking golf to seriously. I am pretty laid back overall, I won't be stressed playing without him waiting for him to either A) figure it out or B) say something so I can explain it to him. Why would I compromise the living situation for a golf game? The people that suggested to stop playing with him and if he questions it then explain why, have the easiest and least confrontational way to do this. If I didn't live with him it would be different. I would tell him right away.

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So instead of dealing with it head on and asking him to tone it down, you are going to contribute to the issue by going out multiple times without him? Talk about fueling the fire.

When someone behaves badly, someone needs to step in and act like an adult. Acting like an adult isn't taking your ball and going home (or in this case taking your clubs and heading to the course by yourself) its being a good enough friend to deal with it head on.

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Unlike other posters I don't live in a glass house..........and wouldn't want to be judged by anyone who has not walked in my shoes.

It's not about golf.

He needs for you to be a friend.

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Zen golf man zen golf. Whenever I get upset I take a breathe say it have a laugh and move on. Whenever I see a friend start to get mad I say Zen golf dude. And it usually gets a laugh but strangely calms people down .
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My buddy who is an exceptional golfer and former teaching pro tells me a story about when he was on the high school golf team and played a lot with his friend when they were 15. Evidently, there was a beautiful cheerleader at their high school that they both had a crush on. Whenever they were playing and hit a miserable shot, they would say "Samantha's boobies". He still says this to this day fifteen years later, and I've started to say it as well!

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