Reverse-K question and weight Slicefixers

[Peter_b]

Its easy in the upswing to keep the lower arms together just do the one piece takeaway by body movement and keep those lower arms pressed together. It even feels nice and powerful and compact. In the downswing I feel loosing the pressure on the ball. I can do it perfectly swinging back and forth in the pratice swing even really fast. So I suspect the weight shift I seem to do incorrectly to be the cause and resulting the bad hip turn. I will see that later today on the range.

[Lefthook]

You may be losing power because of your transition. Your left foot is not properly engaged thus your left arm is not properly engaged.

[Peter_b]

That’s for sure Lefthook, I dont hit it far with the driver (210-220m). Can you tell me how to engage that left foot?

A 100 balls later with the small nerf Ball, I can say the only way I am able to keep that ball through impact is to hit it really late and the clubhead stays behind. I picked up that ball 80 times, trying weight shifts, different hip rotations, before I felt what was to be done. If I flip it the ball is lost.


[url="http://youtu.be/I4LTIszc9i0"]http://youtu.be/I4LTIszc9i0[/url]

[Lefthook]

Work on transition. Leave the right knee behind and move the left knee forward. All this before you step on the gas.... Kelvin Miyahira has writte a lot of good stuff about proper hip action. Short versio is knee separation during transition. Google kelvin for the long version.

[Peter_b]

Interesting stuff though hard to pick out the essence of it. Do you think it will be easier for me to release properly if I transition and load the left leg better?

This one seems right for me the first guy gets stuck like me

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGjQok_kbRM

[Peter_b]

I am still saying the pelvis movement should be a squash plate movement. The video tells me, even if not directly said to straighten the left leg not upwards as I am feeling and doing it but backwards. The left leg extension is not to left the left pelvis but to rotate it back. Holmes show this very exaggerated he turns the swash plate by straightening the left leg extremely backwards. This is something I can try tomorrow. I will continue using the nerf ball as it stabilizes like hell.

PS: first time I understand why to get the weight on the left heel. If you are on the left toes you just lift the swash plate and block it (only out is shift left). If you press is it backwards you rotate the swash plate. If you rotate it backwards and right its even better, that is why you say:


[quote]Short versio is knee separation during transition[/quote]

[russc1597187869]

Peter
Ball looks to a little small.I use a small beach ball with a diameter of about 7 inches .i can deflate it a bit to make it easier to hold between my arms


You are making the 9-3 drill way to complicated both in the manner in which you setup and the introduction of lateral movement on the downswing

The underlying them of the Slicefixer swing is simplicity.Setting with a reverse k for short irons is a an example of this.Reverse k means that the left leg is vertical over the left foot.This does 2 things. First it places ~%65 of your weight on your left leg at setup and places your left leg in a forward position.Both of these positions are about equivalent to impact conditions although more weight is on your left foot at impact than with the reversek setup.
In your case your left leg is not vertical at setup and during your pre swing" waggle",you actually tilt your left leg farther away from the vertical line of the reverseK.In this waggle your hands stay pretty steady so at the start of your swing they are located too far forward.You need to stop this
"waggle' movement and set up with a vertical left leg with your hands just off of your inner left thigh.
The purpose of any lateral movement in the downswing is to weight your left leg and to get your left foot flat ,so that you can then rotate around it.But when you setup in a reversek with your left leg positioned vertically over your left foot,there is very little lateral movement required to weight your left leg and get your left foot flat because it is basically there already at setup.So for all intents and and purposes,the 9-3 swing should be just winding up around your tilted spine going back with just unwinding around your tilted spine going down .Classic turn in the barrel stuff.
Of course when the reversek setup disappears as your widen your stance with longer clubs and the left leg no longer is vertical,there is necessary lateral motion to weight your left leg to get your let foot flat before you can turn aggressively on it.

Since you still have issues with a handsy takeaway that also will have to be addressed

[Peter_b]

You are making the 9-3 drill way to complicated both in the manner in which you setup and the introduction of lateral movement on the downswing

 

Russc

I am happy for every input. You may be right that I do not have the perfect slicefixer setup und takeaway right now. I was adressing the connection first. My arms were completely over the place. The connection is much better now. Then I adressed to at least feel the release at all. I now know what a late hit is and not to flip the stick but as Mr. Slicefixer says hit it with the loft of the club. The Nerv ball is now small as the big ball shows nothing at all, its too easy and makes me feel nothing at all. Some videos earlier I used the big one. The small ball reveals errors, I believe a good player can keep a tennis ball between his forearms throughout the swing. My takeaway is quite good I keep the ball. The swing to the ball and through the ball have a very bad error, I loose the ball there.

You know the textbook well but I will not address those minor problems. Making the setup and takeaway perfectly slicefixer will not in any way cure my downswing. My upswing is quite good. I can see that I do a weight-shift in the upsing already. There is however a huge hipslide that should be a turn. Again this slide would be also with a perfect slicefixer setup. Wait I will write this in Hogan capitals. I DO NOT KNOW HOW TO TURN MY HIPS IN THE DOWNSWING. To make it clear I know that the left hip should move back and the whole hip should rotate around its centered axis but I cant make it do so.

 

 

Look at this, the second pic is the end of the upswing I already slid to the left trying to move my weight. Then to the ball I slide even more. The red marker is at the same spot throught the swing it is not moved.

 

 

 

[Peter_b]

this is my problem, not the best I have seen but this is what I believe is my problem. Oh and I dont think I can cure this with the rod between my feet of course. I will try though as it does not hurt.

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyZxitOXU9I[/media]

[Peter_b]

other sports also hate this slide.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IXUNP2C7qmg

Interesting I never had the swing thought to "stay back" with the hips.

[Peter_b]

here is the analogy to my hip slide. Be sure this trebuchet will not throw as far as a fixated to the ground one. Scroll to 0:55 or you have a minute of boredom.

[media=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3v6QvykLQnQ[/media]

You could also take the length of a longhitter from 300y to 200y if you make him hit from a skateboard on a wooden floor.
I think I can correct this.

[Peter_b]

Lefthook

 

Did not make it to the range yesterday but watched some videos of Kelvin about the hip. There is indeed a positioning of the left femur/left leg in the downswing. Kelvin doesn’t really state why. I think it has two purposes. The abduction of the left leg already turns the hip a bit starting the rotation instead of a slide. It really obstructs a slide. Secondly it positions the leg so straightening it will not lift but turn the hip from there. If the femur was straight under the leg it would lift it and tilt the spine even more (reverse C) but not turn it at all.

 

I think you are born with the ability to do this naturally and you can learn it to some extent. I wonder if it is the hip rotation or the left leg positioning one should try to do. I think I favor the hip rotation and see if the left leg does this outward rotation. For sure to learn this you need to open the left foot a lot even if you restrict your upswing.

 

Here is my favorite ballstriker showing his natural femur positioning, maybe he can tell us himself if he does this by purpose, my guess is he is not. Natural born talent.

 

 

 

 

[goobers80]

[color=#800080]All this talkings abouts *simple* , but i do nots see a lot of simple things.[/color]

[color=#800080]I thinks *simplest* way to address is put club in left hands ands just move right hand over and grip under left. It gives a little tilt , but to me feels more *level* ands more likes set up on left sides. If i turn right shoulder back from there , it feels easy ands simple and smoother. If you *reach* for grip with right hands , it drops right shoulders low. If i turns right shoulder back froms there , it is more to inside ands not as simple or good.[/color]

[Peter_b]

Hey Goobers I would like to rename the thread but I cant. This is not really about the setup any more. Its more to learn the slifefixer swing but I have to get the hips working somehow first.
Thank you for the setup advice.

[Lefthook]

Lefthook

 

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I think you are born with the ability to do this naturally and you can learn it to some extent. I wonder if it is the hip rotation or the left leg positioning one should try to do. I think I favor the hip rotation and see if the left leg does this outward rotation. For sure to learn this you need to open the left foot a lot even if you restrict your upswing.

 

Here is my favorite ballstriker showing his natural femur positioning, maybe he can tell us himself if he does this by purpose, my guess is he is not. Natural born talent.

 

 

This second picture is typical of power hitters. Very good position. Squat-ish.

 

Sam Snead initiated his down swing by flaring his left knee forward. Then he uses his left leg to rotate his left hip away from target line and target. It is very easy to see it in this video:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDn_2_kvmBE

[Peter_b]

I had time for a bucket yesterday so I tried to open the left foot more as suggested by russc as I thought this would help turn the hips. The hip does turn better now, the ball is compressed, shaft has forward lean in impact but I think I am still disconnected in the downswing and the hip has some timing problems maybe due to disconnection. Dunno how to correct this.

[url="http://youtu.be/omSlylhGK0I"]http://youtu.be/omSlylhGK0I[/url]

[Peter_b]

Browsing the hipturn more I stumbled on a clement video. I do not like how he explains stuff but he may have found something. Simplified down to one sentence he says:
[b]RIGHT HIP BACK- LEFT HIP BACK - RIGHT HIP FORWARD[/b] I can see this in all ballstrikers I have checked. Palmer, Snead etc. What I do is right hip back - right hip forward together with left hip back. Good players seem to separate the left hip back from the right hip forward. Not sure but it seems to me like there is a timing difference there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=NNwSfz0_KDM#at=148

[Lefthook]

Looks better to me.

Next step is get on the front foot earlier.

[Peter_b]

Hmm my question would have been

[size=5][b]How can I lateral shift the hips and turn them at the same time? [/b][/size]

That is my missing puzzle piece. I need a (_) movement with my hips but what I do is (___) I am getting out of sync because of this and my arms start disconnecting from my body.

do you think I can solve this by shifting earlier? Checking my videos I would be lying if I say that the weight is left at the top of the swing. I start shifting there but its more at 9 o'clock in the downswing where the shift is complete maybe even lower before impact.

Also I can not tuck in the right elbow as my hips are not cleared.

[Peter_b]

Lefthook

I just watched some good swings and I cant see them shift much earlier. Maybe a bit but not before they reach the top. Its just when they shift they turn and slide the hip. I just slide.

This talented young player for example slides much less and turns while doing so. he transfers only after reaching the top.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OuUy7cL1lp4

[Peter_b]

I think I found something here. If I put my left foot back/behind me, simply stepping back a footlength, then the rotation of the body is perfect, easy and without effort. Now what have I done? I have put the rotation direction of the hips to the flag. The problem seems to be like the ball not being the deepest point of the swing and people casting and making the deepest point there even if its wrong. I do admit that my hip swings to the target so my end of the hip rotation would be my belly facing the flag. I think the rotation end must be about 45° left of the flag.

[Lefthook]

Peter_b,

Rory may not start the shift earlier, but he pushes hard against the ground with his left foot from start of the release and onwards. You seem to be between feet during most of the down swing

[russc1597187869]

Goff is crystal clear that the the transition is in %99 of cases a reflex reaction to the angles and that elastic stretch built up going back.You are barking up the wrong tree in emphasizing the transition/downswing before fixing your backswing. Because of a flawed position at the top,you start your upper body moving laterally during transition.At most Geoff permits a student to have a very small amount of lateral movement by the upper body in transition and strongly prefers none at all .
One of the problems that i mentioned was your lateral movement in your pre swing.If you did not do this and setup with %65 of your weight on your left leg because your left leg was vertical ,there would be no need to move laterally during transition since you would already be left to begin with

[Peter_b]

Lefthook OK I get that, weight gets over too late. All this right knee tuck in, left knee out, weight to heel left foot, dont get onto right toes but roll the foot to the left, its much too complicated. I need something easier to work with. And I think I found it. After the upswing, If you move the left hip to the left and back on an elliptical path all upper mentioned leg and foot movements will happen. This is easy to work with for all who screw up the hip movement.

 

You can see it well in the top view. See how the left hip follows the path mentioned. (this is a slicefixer video)

 

 

 

 

[Peter_b]

russc

be sure I will be back to harass you soon with my swing. I think I got the hip movement now. I just have to train it. I can not tell you how Geoff would change my swing, if he would really go step by step in his encyclopaedia. I personally feel I have to get the hip motion right. If I got that all other changes are easy and tweaking. I disagree strongly the transition and downswing is something naturally happening. Yes some people do it naturally. There are people who can naturally throw very far etc. Some people just do it wrong. I dont feel ready for the slicefixer swing before I ingrain a good and connected body rotation.

[Fade]

Thank you for this thread. I am posting to subscribe, to learn from it. I have very similar problems with my setup, and it looks like you are working yourself out of them nicely.

[Peter_b]

Your welcome, hope it makes your swing better. Some nice guys helping here.

[goobers80]

[color=#800080]Transitions ands downswings are totally *natural* i believes . The issues are peoples decided early on that they wants to *try* to transition ands *do* a downswings. Forcing what already is happenings is the big issue i thinks for most golfers. Drills are fine , but when it comes times to swing a club , haves to let it be.[/color]

[color=#800080]Every swing is somehow *flawed* , but findings the *natural* backswing to go with the natural downswing is all individual. I thinks if you fix a backswing , you fix a downswings.[/color]

[color=#800080]The body knows how to stay balanced ands move , most just do nots listen to it in pursuits of distances ands stuffs. If more peoples woulds just swing 100% balanced all way to finishes , they woulds learn the swing easier. Ands it woulds be more effortless.[/color]

[Peter_b]

goobers that sounds good but I dont see it that way. Can you throw a ball with your left hand really far? Why not? Your body should know how to do it, no? There are people who get into the slot naturally and rip the ball with almost no effort without ever have learned the right motion. Some dont.
Of course I could be satisfied with my swing, it looks OK, I play under 80 and my HCP is 5. But I am not, I want to make it more effective and have more fun with it.

[goobers80]

[color=#800080]The left hands is nots *trained* to throw if you are right handed. It cans be. I learned to use scissors ands write left handed while beings right handed.[/color]

[color=#800080]Really , ands i mean really , diagnose where you lose strokes. If lost balls okay , but if fairly accurate why woulds you lose strokes ? Course management is badly overlooked. I laser a flag if possible from tee box. If it is 350 four par hole , i cans hit hybrid a littles over 200 for a 130 or 140 shot. If totally open , 3-wood for a 120 or 110 shots. Driver is nots needed. I play to *meaty* parts of greens ands try to make putts , unless easy flag placements. Also playings from the *right* tees.[/color]

[color=#800080]I moves up to reds often to have easy rounds , feel loose ands try to shoot low. It helps with confidence ands all. If i constantly played 7,000 yard courses , it is too much a grind. Golf needs to be made easier when nots in tournaments.[/color]

[color=#800080]Those swings with the nerf balls were good tempo ands balances. That is all that golf requires , unless there are terrible fundamentals to starts with. [/color]

[color=#800080]I improved by doings downswing tempo ands course managements. If i am nots feeling something that day , i do nots force it. Nots really sure what you are workings on , but possibly obsessing overs something not needing obsession coulds cause more issues than help. I know by experiences.[/color]