Drinking water policy at a course. Not filling your bottle!

[JakeBarnes]

[quote name='LUMA' timestamp='1375240548' post='7573540']
What happened to the good ole days in the summer when the cart girl came by every 6 holes or so and says "Cold Towel?" What sweet soaked ice cold lavender and mint scented heaven draped around my head, face, and neck.
[/quote]

Wait, are we still talking about the towel?

[quote name='Thug Hunter' timestamp='1375288459' post='7576598']
[quote name='nuthin but a hacker' timestamp='1375287124' post='7576410']
[quote name='highergr0und' timestamp='1375277639' post='7575166'] [b]Why does everyone think you can sue for anything and make tons of money? A judge would toss a case like lack of water jugs on a golf course in a second, and the lawyer that even filed might face discipline[/b]. A course actually faces more liability if they have them and they're empty. Then it could be argued that it's reasonable for a person to assume they did not have to bring water on the course due to the presence of jugs. Just saying. We seem to have a lot of drama queens on here. If you cannot carry enough water to make it through a round, maybe you shouldn't be playing golf. Bowling lets you keep any beverage you want right on the table. Billiards, darts, shuffleboard, butt, man I think I can go on and on. Even sports like softball only require you to survive about 10 minutes without a drink. And yes, i walk when I play. Played the last 7 out of 8 years on courses in Mississippi with no water jugs, and the last one in Tennessee with jugs that are always empty. I carry water [/quote]

It's about as silly as someone suing McDonalds for hot coffe being too hot and burning them...oh wait...

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald"]http://en.wikipedia....9;s_Restaurants[/url]

Nobody is saying we would sue but you better believe there are folks out there that would, in a heartbeat. And as shown above, you can find stupid judges and jurys anywhere.

I think the biggest complaint comes from courses saying no outside drinks or coolers and then not at least offering water on the course. It's just dumb. But yeah they can do what they want. We can talk with our money. You know what they say about money, it talks.
[/quote]

The McDonalds coffee case was nearly 20 years ago. Most frivolous lawsuits never get past an initial consultation with an attorney these days. And if they do, claims like these never make it past day one in civil court. I occasionally play golf with a District Court Judge (who hears civil cases), I can't wait to play with him again and give this scenario.
[/quote]

Ok, why does everyone seem to use the McDonald's case as a "bad lawsuit?" The lady suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns from a cup of coffee. Her injuries required skin grafting. If I recall correctly, Mrs. Liebeck's labia was seared to her leg. Last I checked those aren't frivolous injuries... and a lawsuit was valid.

The issue you should have with the case is the AWARD she received. THE AWARD was what focused the world's attention on the need for tort reform and juries that are overly excited to give punitive damages. And, for the record, the case was settled for far less than the punitive damages when the case went to appeal largely because the plaintiff contributed to the negligence by her own actions of holding the cup between her thighs.

[jewofgolf]

This is water. No question...golf course needs to provide unlimited water. Build it in to the price, but seriously...water...it's a given in my book.

I bring a 2 big bottles and some small frozen ones here in PHX, but when I run out, there better be water. I walk all year and in the summer I need about a gallon or so.

[Thug Hunter]

[quote name='JakeBarnes' timestamp='1375551450' post='7597498']
[b]Last I checked those aren't frivolous injuries... and a lawsuit was valid. [/b]
[/quote]

This statement certainly contradicts the statement below, don't you think?

[quote name='JakeBarnes' timestamp='1375551450' post='7597498']
[b]And, for the record, the case was settled for far less than the punitive damages when the case went to appeal largely because the plaintiff contributed to the negligence by her own actions of holding the cup between her thighs.[/b]
[/quote]

Did you ever hear about the case involving a burglar that sued a homeowner for falling into and getting stuck in their chimney while attempting to burglarize their house? Do you think that lawsuit was valid too?

When someone contributes to their own misfortunes, it's all frivolous. The McDonalds case is just one reason why attorneys are known to have such low morals and people question their ethics on a regular basis.

[sigmapete1]

[quote name='Thug Hunter' timestamp='1375611070' post='7600790']

When someone contributes to their own misfortunes, it's all frivolous. The McDonalds case is just one reason why attorneys are known to have such low morals and people question their ethics on a regular basis.
[/quote]

"Known to have such low morals????" Clearly you have a personal issue with lawyers. Maybe the ones you have dealt with fit your description. I got the impression from some of your posts that you are in law enforcement of some type. Should I say cops are known to have low morals based on anecdotal evidence of crooked cops? No, so don't try that with lawyers either.

Maybe you should educate yourself on the law before you start spouting your own made up legal theory. When someone contributes to their own misfortunes it is called "contributory negligence" and the award gets reduced by the percentage that a jury believes the plaintiff was responsible. The exact way contributory negligence is considered varies by state but one thing is certain it's not automatically "frivolous."

I hate getting in arguments on here and try and avoid it at all costs, but if you are going to insult me and the rest of my profession when your ignorance of the law is apparent, I cannot sit idly by.

[goobers80]

[quote name='RJRJRJ' timestamp='1375236576' post='7573022']
[quote name='Hot Rod 71' timestamp='1375236277' post='7572976']
[quote name='RJRJRJ' timestamp='1375235206' post='7572820']
Maybe im misunderstanding something here... I love when courses have lots of free water available, but to say that they legally have to provide it?? How do you figure? If they said you arent allowed to bring your own water, I could understand the litigious response, but it seems like people are simply mad that they arent providing it to you for free.

It just seems like the simple solution is to bring more water with you. Or you can fill it up in the bathroom sink or hose (gross, I know, but you do realize thats what theyre filling those coolers with, right?).

If this is a very nice course, I agree that copious amounts of water should be provided with your substantial green fee... but the fact is that most courses are barely staying in business these days, and the more man power that its takes to keep filling water coolers is just an extra expense that they probably cant afford.
[/quote]

I'm not saying they legally have to provide it, but by not providing it they are setting themselves up for a lawsuit.

Imagine a player goes out on a 90*+ day. Its not a busy day because of the heat and the cart girl is sent home because its slow. By the time this player reaches the 8th hole he has depleted his own water supply. He begins to feel light-headed, weak, and nauseated, all signs of heat exhaustion. He walks off the green feeling confused, and faints. There is no one around and he eventually starts seizing from the effects of heat stroke. Hopefully, someone will eventually find him before he dies.

If this person is found, and recovers, don't you think he would have a case against the course?
[/quote]

Im not sure where the presumption that he course has to babysit people and make sure they stay hydrated enough comes from. I think we are all responsible for our own well being.

Now, if the course didnt allow you to bring your own water, or didnt allow you to leave the hole you were on to get back to the clubhouse, or locked you inside the gates until you finished your round...fine. But its absolutely the responsibility of each of us to make sure that we adequately hydrate ourselves on hot days.

This is like suing burger king for making you fat. Sure, you can do it, but youre not gonna win.
[/quote]

[color=#800080]it is called common sense. Courses that do nots provide water are stupid. I haves played a lot that give outs free bottles. Two in cup holders ands four in the little coolers on cart. I suffer from hypoglycemia ands if i forget sugar things , i will nots play if the course does nots have soda available.[/color]

[color="#800080"]​If a course relies on water consumptions to stay opens , they haves big issues. Fill the damn coolers ands stop beings lazy is what you shoulds say. Nobody wants to do their job anymore ands make it our problems.[/color]

[Joe26]

[quote name='eagles20' timestamp='1375543987' post='7596950']
I live in eastern Pa and a few years back someone got sick from a water jug, now most places don't keep out jugs, but will offer you a complimentary bottle before the round or have coolers of bottled water on the course for like a buck. I just bring two bottles with me and keep them in my bag. The need to complain here is not worth it. The fact is the risk of someone getting sick again and blaming it on the course is enough for me to take the courses side. I just personally bring my own water or Gatorade with me. It's a simple solution, I guess some people need to vent and complain about everything.
[/quote]

You're an Eagles fan and deserve it