Drinking water policy at a course. Not filling your bottle!

[larrybud]

There is no way in the world that having a ranger fill up cooler 1, 3, or 5 times a day is adding to any labor costs. The ranger is already there. His labor costs are already accounted for. And the amount of water to fill those coolers is miniscule to any water the course is already laying down on the grass, PLUS the costs of the paper cups this one guy was handing out to player after player!

It's purely a bad management decision. Let's hear the course name!!!

[tbarlow11]

It must be so difficult to fill up a 10 gallon water jug with half ice and hose (tap) water. That's so ridiculous. Lazy America at it's finest. When it's a hot summer day, the rangers have to fill up the water jugs more often, it's not like they're being emptied every 5 minutes.

10 gallons of water is 1280 fluid oz. Assuming everyone take 2 - 24 oz bottles worth of water, that's 27 people to empty the cooler. 27 people is 7 foursomes. Estimating that a foursome comes approx every 8 minutes, that's an empty water cooler every 56 minutes. God forbid you have a replace a water cooler every hour.... and that's a gross over exaggeration of people drinking 48 oz of water every 4-6 holes (depending on how many coolers they have).

Flat out ridiculous in my mind.


Too the people saying "bring more water" (those who aren't being sarcastic at least). If I'm walking on a hot day, I'm not looking to add 5 lbs to my bag by carrying around enough water for myself for 4 hours.

[HeadonaStick]

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I am one that carries two 24 oz Hydro Flask bottles in my golf bag when I play golf filled with ice, water and a Nuun tablet in each one. I know some of you are against someone bringing their own drink with them to the course even though I am speaking of water and Nuun. (Nuun similar to Gatorade without the sugar) I have brought my own water for years after some experiences with empty coolers on the course. I use Nuun because I am Diabetic. Usually I go through my two bottles before finishing my round so I still rely on the course for water. I was walking last week and the temps were around 95. I never noticed the water coolers on the front nine because I didn't need any water. I kept going at the turn. While on the back I figured I should refill my bottles. I noticed all the water coolers were gone from their stands. A hole later I noticed the ranger and and several foursomes gathered around the ranger. I saw the ranger handing out little cups of water. I figured the ranger was bringing out fresh water and the guys ahead caught him and grabbed a drink. As the ranger pulled up to me I stopped and pulled out my bottles to refill them. The ranger asks me if I want a drink and I said yea the coolers have been empty for awhile. Then he sees my bottles and says I can give you a drink but you can't fill up your bottles. I said what? He says new course policy. He said the course was tired of people bringing their own bottles and filling them up using up all the water and then when someone wanted a drink they were empty. He said it seemed like all they were doing was filling up the coolers all day. So now the ranger will be riding around slowing up play rationing out drinks of water. I voice my opinion on the matter and he said I was part of the problem. He said we offer a beverage cart or I can give you a cup of water if you choose not to support the cart. I laughed and asked where the cart was since I hadn't seen one ( not that I was paying attention to it anyway) and he said it probably stopped running this late in the day. Am I going have to break out my Growler? Is this a common practice elsewhere? Am I so terrible I want to carry my water and or use the course water. I told a friend about their new policy and he thought if someone passed out from dehydration the course could be held liable. You opinions of the matter.
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I understand courses not wanting people to bring in drinks - beer, soda etc. but not to provide water is asking for trouble, in a big way. If a course didn't provide water I'd be looking for a new course...

[nuthin but a hacker]

[quote name='larrybud' timestamp='1375377388' post='7584216']
There is no way in the world that having a ranger fill up cooler 1, 3, or 5 times a day is adding to any labor costs. The ranger is already there. His labor costs are already accounted for. And the amount of water to fill those coolers is miniscule to any water the course is already laying down on the grass, PLUS the costs of the paper cups this one guy was handing out to player after player!

It's purely a bad management decision. Let's hear the course name!!!
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The ranger didn't like it because it got in the way of his golf ball hunting. Isn't that what they all spend their time doing anyway? Who's got time for helping paying customers when there's free golf balls to be found!

[Spiritomb]

I the OP should just burn the place to the ground, and lets see how much water they have to put it out.

[rsj1360]

It is a 100% reasonable expectation that when you pay for golf that "free" and plentiful water will be provided on the course. It is like going to a restaurant - would you expect your tap water to be rationed when you have ordered a meal?

Also, talking about slowing up play - which as we know is the worst thing that could ever happen anywhere.

[HeadonaStick]

[quote name='Thug Hunter' timestamp='1375240790' post='7573564']
Those of you who brought up and are continuing with the argument or point made about hiring a lawyer if someone has a dehyrdation or heat related incident on the course. Please refrain from sounding like an idiot. I bet you're the same people that claim your back hurts on a fender bender that resulted in a door ding size dent.

Dehyration is not a cause of not having water while playing golf, it's a problem with not drinking enough water prior to playing golf. It takes very little water to maintain hydration during a round of golf if you don't start out the round dehydrated to begin with. I play in 100º+, bring two bottles of water and one gatorade and I have never had an issue. Drink plenty of water the day before and the day of, lay off the caffeine drinks prior to your round and you should be fine from heat related issues.
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Drinking water prior to your activity is important, but drinking gallons of water the day before (or even a few hours before) a round won't make a bit of difference - you don't "stock up" on fluids. You just pee out the extra water you drink.

A golfer can easily become dehydrated during a round of golf on a hot day without on course hydration. The rule of thumb is 8-10 oz of water (minimum) every 15 minutes during activity. That assumes you begin your activity fully hydrated. Assuming a 3.5 hour round of golf that is 112-160 oz of water during the round.

For a person riding in a cart it may not be an issue to carry 10 16 oz bottle of water, but for a walker it is an issue trying to carry that much liquid. Not only is it unwieldy space wise, it would weigh almost 10.5 pounds.

[rsj1360]

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[quote name='Thug Hunter' timestamp='1375240790' post='7573564']
Those of you who brought up and are continuing with the argument or point made about hiring a lawyer if someone has a dehyrdation or heat related incident on the course. Please refrain from sounding like an idiot. I bet you're the same people that claim your back hurts on a fender bender that resulted in a door ding size dent.

Dehyration is not a cause of not having water while playing golf, it's a problem with not drinking enough water prior to playing golf. It takes very little water to maintain hydration during a round of golf if you don't start out the round dehydrated to begin with. I play in 100º+, bring two bottles of water and one gatorade and I have never had an issue. Drink plenty of water the day before and the day of, lay off the caffeine drinks prior to your round and you should be fine from heat related issues.
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Drinking water prior to your activity is important, but drinking gallons of water the day before (or even a few hours before) a round won't make a bit of difference - you don't "stock up" on fluids. You just pee out the extra water you drink.

A golfer can easily become dehydrated during a round of golf on a hot day without on course hydration. The rule of thumb is 8-10 oz of water (minimum) every 15 minutes during activity. That assumes you begin your activity fully hydrated. Assuming a 3.5 hour round of golf that is 112-160 oz of water during the round.

For a person riding in a cart it may not be an issue to carry 10 16 oz bottle of water, but for a walker it is an issue trying to carry that much liquid. Not only is it unwieldy space wise, it would weigh almost 10.5 pounds.
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ten pints of water over a round? You'd be so bloated you wouldn't be able to swing.

[HeadonaStick]

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Maybe im misunderstanding something here... I love when courses have lots of free water available, but to say that they legally have to provide it?? How do you figure? If they said you arent allowed to bring your own water, I could understand the litigious response, but it seems like people are simply mad that they arent providing it to you for free.

It just seems like the simple solution is to bring more water with you. Or you can fill it up in the bathroom sink or hose (gross, I know, but you do realize thats what theyre filling those coolers with, right?).

If this is a very nice course, I agree that copious amounts of water should be provided with your substantial green fee... but the fact is that most courses are barely staying in business these days, and the more man power that its takes to keep filling water coolers is just an extra expense that they probably cant afford.
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I'm not saying they legally have to provide it, but by not providing it they are setting themselves up for a lawsuit.

Imagine a player goes out on a 90*+ day. Its not a busy day because of the heat and the cart girl is sent home because its slow. By the time this player reaches the 8th hole he has depleted his own water supply. He begins to feel light-headed, weak, and nauseated, all signs of heat exhaustion. He walks off the green feeling confused, and faints. There is no one around and he eventually starts seizing from the effects of heat stroke. Hopefully, someone will eventually find him before he dies.

If this person is found, and recovers, don't you think he would have a case against the course?
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I doubt it, its not like they are forcing you to play the course and are liable for holding your hand and baby sitting. If it did ever happen, [b]with every round you play they will force us to sign a liability waiver assuming the risk of walking in the heat with limited hydration[/b]
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I agree that a lawsuit would not be a slam dunk in favor of the golfer due to an assumption of risk - you knew or should have known it would be hot that day and chose to engage in an outdoor activity that imposes certain risks. Not to mention the risk of being hit with a golf ball, snake bites, bee stings, etc. If water or other beverages were available in the clubhouse, why didn't the golfer purchase those prior to the round in anticipation of dehydration becoming an issue? This would raise a lot of legal issues.
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Liability waivers don't absolve a course of negligence. It would be difficult for a golfer to carry 10 pounds of water.

It is an interesting legal question. It would be tough for the course to make a strong argument if they both refused to allow golfers to bring their won water or provide a source of water on the course. I am not certain providing a place to purchase water would be an out.

Filing suit seems far more problematic than just finding a new place to play that is more reasonable.

[Timanator]

Find a new course to play at?

[HeadonaStick]

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[quote name='Thug Hunter' timestamp='1375240790' post='7573564']
Those of you who brought up and are continuing with the argument or point made about hiring a lawyer if someone has a dehyrdation or heat related incident on the course. Please refrain from sounding like an idiot. I bet you're the same people that claim your back hurts on a fender bender that resulted in a door ding size dent.

Dehyration is not a cause of not having water while playing golf, it's a problem with not drinking enough water prior to playing golf. It takes very little water to maintain hydration during a round of golf if you don't start out the round dehydrated to begin with. I play in 100º+, bring two bottles of water and one gatorade and I have never had an issue. Drink plenty of water the day before and the day of, lay off the caffeine drinks prior to your round and you should be fine from heat related issues.
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Drinking water prior to your activity is important, but drinking gallons of water the day before (or even a few hours before) a round won't make a bit of difference - you don't "stock up" on fluids. You just pee out the extra water you drink.

A golfer can easily become dehydrated during a round of golf on a hot day without on course hydration. The rule of thumb is 8-10 oz of water (minimum) every 15 minutes during activity. That assumes you begin your activity fully hydrated. Assuming a 3.5 hour round of golf that is 112-160 oz of water during the round.

For a person riding in a cart it may not be an issue to carry 10 16 oz bottle of water, but for a walker it is an issue trying to carry that much liquid. Not only is it unwieldy space wise, it would weigh almost 10.5 pounds.
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ten pints of water over a round? You'd be so bloated you wouldn't be able to swing.
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I've easily gone through that much water many times here in Florida in the summer. When it is sunny with a heat index well over 100° you can easily loose that much water during a round of golf.

However, it is weight dependent. A small female golfer won't drink nearly the water as a large make golfer. If you are smaller your intake will typically be less.

[rsj1360]

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[quote name='Thug Hunter' timestamp='1375240790' post='7573564']
Those of you who brought up and are continuing with the argument or point made about hiring a lawyer if someone has a dehyrdation or heat related incident on the course. Please refrain from sounding like an idiot. I bet you're the same people that claim your back hurts on a fender bender that resulted in a door ding size dent.

Dehyration is not a cause of not having water while playing golf, it's a problem with not drinking enough water prior to playing golf. It takes very little water to maintain hydration during a round of golf if you don't start out the round dehydrated to begin with. I play in 100º+, bring two bottles of water and one gatorade and I have never had an issue. Drink plenty of water the day before and the day of, lay off the caffeine drinks prior to your round and you should be fine from heat related issues.
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Drinking water prior to your activity is important, but drinking gallons of water the day before (or even a few hours before) a round won't make a bit of difference - you don't "stock up" on fluids. You just pee out the extra water you drink.

A golfer can easily become dehydrated during a round of golf on a hot day without on course hydration. The rule of thumb is 8-10 oz of water (minimum) every 15 minutes during activity. That assumes you begin your activity fully hydrated. Assuming a 3.5 hour round of golf that is 112-160 oz of water during the round.

For a person riding in a cart it may not be an issue to carry 10 16 oz bottle of water, but for a walker it is an issue trying to carry that much liquid. Not only is it unwieldy space wise, it would weigh almost 10.5 pounds.
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ten pints of water over a round? You'd be so bloated you wouldn't be able to swing.
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I've easily gone through that much water many times here in Florida in the summer. When it is sunny with a heat index well over 100° you can easily loose that much water during a round of golf.
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That's one place I'll never move to ....

[HeadonaStick]

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[quote name='Thug Hunter' timestamp='1375240790' post='7573564']
Those of you who brought up and are continuing with the argument or point made about hiring a lawyer if someone has a dehyrdation or heat related incident on the course. Please refrain from sounding like an idiot. I bet you're the same people that claim your back hurts on a fender bender that resulted in a door ding size dent.

Dehyration is not a cause of not having water while playing golf, it's a problem with not drinking enough water prior to playing golf. It takes very little water to maintain hydration during a round of golf if you don't start out the round dehydrated to begin with. I play in 100º+, bring two bottles of water and one gatorade and I have never had an issue. Drink plenty of water the day before and the day of, lay off the caffeine drinks prior to your round and you should be fine from heat related issues.
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Drinking water prior to your activity is important, but drinking gallons of water the day before (or even a few hours before) a round won't make a bit of difference - you don't "stock up" on fluids. You just pee out the extra water you drink.

A golfer can easily become dehydrated during a round of golf on a hot day without on course hydration. The rule of thumb is 8-10 oz of water (minimum) every 15 minutes during activity. That assumes you begin your activity fully hydrated. Assuming a 3.5 hour round of golf that is 112-160 oz of water during the round.

For a person riding in a cart it may not be an issue to carry 10 16 oz bottle of water, but for a walker it is an issue trying to carry that much liquid. Not only is it unwieldy space wise, it would weigh almost 10.5 pounds.
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ten pints of water over a round? You'd be so bloated you wouldn't be able to swing.
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I've easily gone through that much water many times here in Florida in the summer. When it is sunny with a heat index well over 100° you can easily loose that much water during a round of golf.
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That's one place I'll never move to ....
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And I am anxious to leave.

[Wriggles]

Another reason not to golf public. The modest club I belong to has Styrofoam cups, water and ice in the grill room on a table. However, I don't usually fill my bottle there for fear of contamination. A fact of life, do you want someone handling an ice scoop that just took a whiz out on the course, or handling the pitchers of water? Anyhow, I fill my bottle with ice and water from home, and midway between nines, a tepid water fountain (like when we were in school in the 1950's). A fountain is a least semi sanitary, so I refill there. The water may not be cold, but it hydrates the same.

Since I walk, carrying more than one bottle doesn't make sense. If a person needs more than 32 oz. per nine, it's too hot to walk, maybe too hot for riding golf. If you're riding, bring bottled water from home. Reuse plastic bottles and freeze the water.

Golf course water containers are probably hardly ever cleaned, so germs can run rampant. Innards of the containers can be green and moldy. As far as the idiotic course policy and ranger, I've run into enough of that. As I told one public course owner, on an entirely different matter, it's his course, and he has the right to do anything he wishes. But I have the option of never, ever playing there again.

I'd like to hear from lawyers, about whether courses can be liable. I'm sure lawsuits abound, but I've always thought that you play at your own risk.

[FANOF3]

one of the local course here has removed all the water jugs, and now has 2 coolers with bottled water. There is an "honor box" where you donate to offset the cost of the water.

[ethanlculver]

Well, to start off, I don't usually drink that much while on the course. Just little sips here and there. I bring a small bottle of Gatorade...an 8 oz. bottle I think it is...and usually finish that by the turn. Then I fill it up with water and that usually lasts me almost, if not all the rest of the way.

But the coolers at my course are pretty large and I have never encountered one that was empty, even late in the day. And I never see anyone out there refilling them during the day...

So I guess people don't take that much. They just take a few sips out of the paper cups and that's it.

[prorobo]

[quote name='FANOF3' timestamp='1375389479' post='7585794']
one of the local course here has removed all the water jugs, and now has 2 coolers with bottled water. There is an "honor box" where you donate to offset the cost of the water.
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I like this idea! I bring my own bottled water then refill accordingly but at my last tournament had the displeasure of taking a look into an empty cooler to find it had dirt particles floating around the bottom. I'd rather not be drinking contaminated water so I'll start bringing extras.

[dcmidnight]

I would really like to know what course this is as I play a lot of courses up in your area...

[Thug Hunter]

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[quote name='Thug Hunter' timestamp='1375240790' post='7573564']
Those of you who brought up and are continuing with the argument or point made about hiring a lawyer if someone has a dehyrdation or heat related incident on the course. Please refrain from sounding like an idiot. I bet you're the same people that claim your back hurts on a fender bender that resulted in a door ding size dent.

Dehyration is not a cause of not having water while playing golf, it's a problem with not drinking enough water prior to playing golf. It takes very little water to maintain hydration during a round of golf if you don't start out the round dehydrated to begin with. I play in 100º+, bring two bottles of water and one gatorade and I have never had an issue. Drink plenty of water the day before and the day of, lay off the caffeine drinks prior to your round and you should be fine from heat related issues.
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Drinking water prior to your activity is important, but drinking gallons of water the day before (or even a few hours before) a round won't make a bit of difference - you don't "stock up" on fluids. You just pee out the extra water you drink.

A golfer can easily become dehydrated during a round of golf on a hot day without on course hydration. The rule of thumb is 8-10 oz of water (minimum) every 15 minutes during activity. That assumes you begin your activity fully hydrated. Assuming a 3.5 hour round of golf that is 112-160 oz of water during the round.

For a person riding in a cart it may not be an issue to carry 10 16 oz bottle of water, but for a walker it is an issue trying to carry that much liquid. Not only is it unwieldy space wise, it would weigh almost 10.5 pounds.
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You prepare how you want to and I'll prepare how I've prepared every day for the past 30 years while living in Texas heat. I'll be working outside for 10 hours today in full uniform (which is black) with ballistic vest and 20 lbs worth of gear. It's gonna be 104º today. If I go a day without water and then work or play outside the next day, I'm already starting out the day in a dehydrated state. It takes the body that much more to catch up and retain. If you are saying that not drinking water the day before has no affect on your activity the next day, you are going against every article that speaks about dehydration. Articles mostly written by PhDs. I play early morning rounds to avoid major heat, so my hydration starts the previous day and before I go to bed. If I had a afternoon tee time, I'd be drinking a lot of water that morning so dehydration will not be an issue.

[strokingforscratch]

There's plenty of ridiculous crap that makes it to the courts...

[url="http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2012/dec/27/10-most-ridiculous-lawsuits-2012/"]http://www.washingto...-lawsuits-2012/[/url]

And it's a bit ironic the washington times calls this heading "watercooler"....I gotta a little "lawlz" out of that.


At the end of the day, the course just negatively impacts their own image. They likely didn't consider the intangible costs of the image impact, the lost clientele, etc. But then again, they may have. Folks are much better off taking responsibility for their own safety....you never know if the guy you're relying on to save you is an idiot.

[jmck]

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There's a big difference between what would be nice, and what you think you are "owed." Free water would be nice. I don't think I'm owed free water, though. Sounds like you do -- and that you think it really doesn't cost anything.

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Yes. Yes I do think I am owed free water in exchange for my greens fees. I pay my greens fee, I expect free water. This is an expectation that's been created by having free water provided for me--as much as I can drink no less--AT EVERY COURSE I"VE EVER PLAYED.

I'm not the one being unreasonable here.

[sigmapete1]

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Why does everyone think you can sue for anything and make tons of money? A judge would toss a case like lack of water jugs on a golf course in a second, and the lawyer that even filed might face discipline. A course actually faces more liability if they have them and they're empty. Then it could be argued that it's reasonable for a person to assume they did not have to bring water on the course due to the presence of jugs. Just saying.

We seem to have a lot of drama queens on here. If you cannot carry enough water to make it through a round, maybe you shouldn't be playing golf. Bowling lets you keep any beverage you want right on the table. Billiards, darts, shuffleboard, butt, man I think I can go on and on. Even sports like softball only require you to survive about 10 minutes without a drink.

And yes, i walk when I play. Played the last 7 out of 8 years on courses in Mississippi with no water jugs, and the last one in Tennessee with jugs that are always empty. I carry water
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In Florida you are required to provide water and its obvious because its so damn hot here. [b]If you left coolers empty and someone died from heat stroke, there'd be huge liability.[/b]
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No there wouldn't. There would be zero percent of liability on the course. Why is this still being discussed? Adding this to the OP's discussion is ridiculous. Just one more thing to add to the list of things wrong with society today. Those of you who think differently, I pose a challenge. Call an attorney, specifically a personal injury attorney and run this by him/her as a case that he/she would take and then get back to us on what his/her response was.

People need to get this "lawsuit mindset" out of their heads.
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Hi, personal injury lawyer here. Primarily defense. I don't know Florida law as I am in NJ. But if there is some type of state or municipal regulation that requires golf courses to provide water and a course ignores that resulting in someone getting heat stroke. That is what we call negligence per se. In layman's terms, slam dunk. Absent a regulation, it would be a very difficult case for a Plaintiff to prove.

I think you said earlier that a lawyer would face discipline for bringing such a lawsuit. That is most certainly not true.

As a defense lawyer, I see all kinds of cases that on first blush seem frivolous, but a good attorney can very often find an angle.

[chiguy]

This is so absurd. I don't think there is anything wrong with the expectation of there being plentiful drinking water on the course.

[sigmapete1]

Also, I saw a lot of references to that famous McDOnalds case. The real facts of that case are known to very few people. Mainly because McDonalds spends money on shaping public opinion and the people who won the lawsuit don't care what the public thinks because they won the suit.

Most people think it was about the cover on the coffee coming loose or something. That was brought up but in reality the real issue was that McDonalds kept their coffee something like 30-40 degrees hotter than any other fast food place despite repeated warnings from (I think) the state food and beverage department (or whatever that state called it). Of course they were warnings because McDonalds wasn't breaking any laws, just going outside "recommendations." Expert witnesses testified that the coffee was so hot that if it was drank when it was served, it would have burned the esophagus. McDonalds argued that everyone, especially at a drive through, wants it to be hot when they get home so they make it that hot. If the coffee was at the "recommended" temperature that most food establishments used, then it would have hurt but caused no damage. As it turns out, the coffee was upwards of 180-90 degrees (I think) causing 2nd degree (blistering) burns on her lap and genitals. All because McDonalds ignored safety precautions to make their coffee "taste better" when people got home from the drive through.

Like I said above, I am a defense lawyer. Generally I agree that our society of overly litigious, as I see a lot of it. But there are usually two sides to a case, but only one side makes it into mainstream media coverage.

[rsj1360]

At the opposite end of the spectrum - speaking of lawsuits - my mother was in a nursing home and it was discovered that they were giving double doses of some medication - clearly causing damages. This seems pretty clear-cut negligence or malpractice or something. But we couldn't get a lawyer to even take the case.

What sense does that make?

[sigmapete1]

[quote name='rsj1360' timestamp='1375464558' post='7591438']
At the opposite end of the spectrum - speaking of lawsuits - my mother was in a nursing home and it was discovered that they were giving double doses of some medication - clearly causing damages. This seems pretty clear-cut negligence or malpractice or something. But we couldn't get a lawyer to even take the case.

What sense does that make?
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Med Malpractice defense is actually what my firm specializes in. Without knowing more, it is impossible to say, but chances are that the damages (i.e. dollar value of the case) was not significant enough to offset the expenses of pursuing a med malpractice case (which is very expensive).

[KaBoom21]

[quote name='sigmapete1' timestamp='1375457291' post='7590744']
Also, I saw a lot of references to that famous McDOnalds case. The real facts of that case are known to very few people. Mainly because McDonalds spends money on shaping public opinion and the people who won the lawsuit don't care what the public thinks because they won the suit.

Most people think it was about the cover on the coffee coming loose or something. That was brought up but in reality the real issue was that McDonalds kept their coffee something like 30-40 degrees hotter than any other fast food place despite repeated warnings from (I think) the state food and beverage department (or whatever that state called it). Of course they were warnings because McDonalds wasn't breaking any laws, just going outside "recommendations." Expert witnesses testified that the coffee was so hot that if it was drank when it was served, it would have burned the esophagus. McDonalds argued that everyone, especially at a drive through, wants it to be hot when they get home so they make it that hot. If the coffee was at the "recommended" temperature that most food establishments used, then it would have hurt but caused no damage. As it turns out, the coffee was upwards of 180-90 degrees (I think) causing 2nd degree (blistering) burns on her lap and genitals. All because McDonalds ignored safety precautions to make their coffee "taste better" when people got home from the drive through.

Like I said above, I am a defense lawyer. Generally I agree that our society of overly litigious, as I see a lot of it. But there are usually two sides to a case, but only one side makes it into mainstream media coverage.
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Heard there was a smoking-gun type internal memo re: the average dine-in stay and having the temp. so high cut down on free refills.

[Doc420]

I played a tournament in Northern Indiana a couple of months ago. I found out they had pulled all their water off the course and shut off the water fountains too. I asked about it when I got in, and was told that it was due to the health dept. They would come out and test everything and if they found anything on any surface, they would fine the course large amounts per day.
They were nice enough to have several coolers full of bottled water near the starter, But I wasn't sure if this was just for the tournament or an everyday thing at this resort.

[Splitter]

I read the whole thread. I'm not sure why it's so heated. Seems both sides have legitimate views..

My simple thoughts: (not directed at OP)

1. Bring yer own water no matter what. You need more liquid than you think.

2. Quit being cheapskates and buy some overpriced Gatorade/whatever from the cart girl. She needs the cash for her PHD!

3. PLEASE get your gatorade quickly and GTF back into play. Yer not getting her number. Yer old, fat, bald and probably too os for her. Even if yer under 30.. She's only laughing at your jokes because she wants to hear "keep the change". Mmm... Maybe I am in favor of the marshal handing out paper ups...

3. If you get the gatorade, be more worried about the ice that goes into the cup from the cart girl than the water cooler. Those carts gotta carry more bacteria than all the coolers combined.

[eagles20]

I live in eastern Pa and a few years back someone got sick from a water jug, now most places don't keep out jugs, but will offer you a complimentary bottle before the round or have coolers of bottled water on the course for like a buck. I just bring two bottles with me and keep them in my bag. The need to complain here is not worth it. The fact is the risk of someone getting sick again and blaming it on the course is enough for me to take the courses side. I just personally bring my own water or Gatorade with me. It's a simple solution, I guess some people need to vent and complain about everything.