Better Players "Rolling the Ball in the Fairway". What's the Point?

[4Par]

I see some folks from overseas are paying attention to this thread.... I just wanna know if Old Tom Morris ever got mud on his golf ball.....

[SurfDuffer]

How about when the fairways have been punched or in the winter. Does the holier than thou crowd play it down then too?

[SurfDuffer]

[quote name='MtlJeff' timestamp='1381704877' post='7996375']
[quote name='Golfjunki71' timestamp='1381704645' post='7996353']
Every region has some conditions that maybe extreme to deal with. Here in September and October you can be 4 feet above the hole and watch your ball roll 80 feet off the green.
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So what is the solution? Lose 6 balls and card a 86 when you would have shot a 78, and have this happen multiple times for a month?

I know a guy who starts every season as a 7-8 handicap because of stuff like that, and then goes out and shoots 72's in May.

I don't think that is a fair use of the handicap system either.

I'd rather guys "cheat" if it means a fair representation of their abilities for handicap purposes
[/quote]Our handicap system is turned off from November until April 1 for this reason. Only in season rounds count. The off season course conditions would bugger up the handicap system.

[Bucken77]

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[quote name='Bucken77' timestamp='1381703674' post='7996299']
How about in the winter when you hit a good shot into a crap ton of leaves and can't find it. Do you count a stroke or just drop a ball where you think it was?
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That should be a thread all into itself. Northeastern golfers if they don't abide by some sort of "leaf rule" face situations where they are either going to play 5 hour rounds or see their handicap go up a couple of shots just based on leaves at the end of the year.

People not from the area don't really get it, you can be 2 feet off the fairway and have no chance of finding your ball. I've lost a ball, then taken a drop, then gone to my bag which was 25 feet away to get a club, then lost the ball i dropped when the wind blew leaves on it

IMO it's a grey area. Discussing is just going to lead to more internet fisticuffs.

But i think in the northeast handicap control is a tough thing. Some guys stop playing in mid October and then go south or something. If people are so inclined they can play through October and then in April and start the season as a 8 handicap when they should be a 3

that isn't fair either
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Segue: Jeff, today I hit an approach shot on the the green, it took a couple hop and rolled off the back of the green. I spent more then five minutes looking for the ball...it was three feet off the green buried in the leaves. :-)
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In California we have the environmental police. "Environmentally sensitive" areas are on several courses that I play. How they are treated is up to the course.

On one high-dollar course if you hit a ball into an environmental area you can't go in to look for it - even if you can see it just out of reach. You get a free drop with no penalty. The special area looks like a standard unkempt area you'd find just about anywhere in the state.

A low-dollar course has the same "no entry" policy but it costs a stroke and is played like a lateral water hazard.

Point is that courses can apparently make any local rules they choose and it is up to the golfer to follow them,

Maybe that is how those courses get their range balls.
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There are a few courses right near me that I have lost quite a few balls in the fairway. Tight holes and there are leaves all over the place. It's crazy. I just drop and move on. I embrace it. I cheat at golf. But I'm not a dirty roller

[blaird]

Ok so tell me if this works...

I will continue to roll the ball in all my casual rounds and rounds that I post a score from. But I will take all the penalty shots that come with it. I play to a scratch right now and if I add all the penalty shots that should take me to about a 20 handicap. Once I get my new cap established I will go play in tournaments that also have a net division. I will play by the rules the tournament committee has approved whether it be play it down or improve your lies. I will shoot my score around par and then have my net somewhere in the 50s.

This is just somewhat of an absurd example for those saying its ok to move just dont post your score and to the ones that say moving the ball makes a huge difference in your score.

Moving the ball doesnt make a huge difference. Why do I do it?? No idea really. Maybe its because our fairways arent that great and I would like a lie similar to what I will get on a tournament course vs a crap lie.

And if I move it in a round Im posting a score, it isnt cheating if I count all the penalty shots right??

Also, lets say you were playing in a 4ball, not a scramble, but a tournament where it was you and a partner playing your onw ball and the lowest score counted. Now lets say the tournament committee allows you to move your ball in the fairway. Do you move it?? Its ok if the tournament committee allows it right?? Or are you still going to honor the rules of the game and play it down? What if you are tied on the last hole and your ball comes to rest in a divot in the fairway. Will you move it then??

[HighSpeedScene]

[quote name='blaird' timestamp='1381754288' post='7998659']
Ok so tell me if this works...

I will continue to roll the ball in all my casual rounds and rounds that I post a score from. But I will take all the penalty shots that come with it. I play to a scratch right now and if I add all the penalty shots that should take me to about a 20 handicap. Once I get my new cap established I will go play in tournaments that also have a net division. I will play by the rules the tournament committee has approved whether it be play it down or improve your lies. I will shoot my score around par and then have my net somewhere in the 50s.

This is just somewhat of an absurd example for those saying its ok to move just dont post your score and to the ones that say moving the ball makes a huge difference in your score.

Moving the ball doesnt make a huge difference. Why do I do it?? No idea really. Maybe its because our fairways arent that great and I would like a lie similar to what I will get on a tournament course vs a crap lie.

And if I move it in a round Im posting a score, it isnt cheating if I count all the penalty shots right??

Also, lets say you were playing in a 4ball, not a scramble, but a tournament where it was you and a partner playing your onw ball and the lowest score counted. Now lets say the tournament committee allows you to move your ball in the fairway. Do you move it?? Its ok if the tournament committee allows it right?? Or are you still going to honor the rules of the game and play it down? What if you are tied on the last hole and your ball comes to rest in a divot in the fairway. Will you move it then??
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If the committee has enacted LCP, which is a valid local rule, then, yes, everyone would use it when needed. I think you are a little confused on the rules vs what is being discussed here maybe? If you roll it, you are breaking the rules no matter what local rules are in effect. Which, again, is fine - play golf however you want, but it just doesn't make sense for people to say that they don't consider it cheating. The rules are pretty clear on this.

To your example, you can't do that because it is intentional to produce an inaccurate index. Also against the rules.

Why not just follow the rules and not have to worry about all of this? Just friendly advice.

[Fourmyle of Ceres]

Why mess around. Just stand next to the ball on each tee and "whiff" twice before actually hitting the ball. That's 36 easy strokes on your handicap right there, give or take the odd ESC adjustment.

[blaird]

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[quote name='blaird' timestamp='1381754288' post='7998659']
Ok so tell me if this works...

I will continue to roll the ball in all my casual rounds and rounds that I post a score from. But I will take all the penalty shots that come with it. I play to a scratch right now and if I add all the penalty shots that should take me to about a 20 handicap. Once I get my new cap established I will go play in tournaments that also have a net division. I will play by the rules the tournament committee has approved whether it be play it down or improve your lies. I will shoot my score around par and then have my net somewhere in the 50s.

This is just somewhat of an absurd example for those saying its ok to move just dont post your score and to the ones that say moving the ball makes a huge difference in your score.

Moving the ball doesnt make a huge difference. Why do I do it?? No idea really. Maybe its because our fairways arent that great and I would like a lie similar to what I will get on a tournament course vs a crap lie.

And if I move it in a round Im posting a score, it isnt cheating if I count all the penalty shots right??

Also, lets say you were playing in a 4ball, not a scramble, but a tournament where it was you and a partner playing your onw ball and the lowest score counted. Now lets say the tournament committee allows you to move your ball in the fairway. Do you move it?? Its ok if the tournament committee allows it right?? Or are you still going to honor the rules of the game and play it down? What if you are tied on the last hole and your ball comes to rest in a divot in the fairway. Will you move it then??
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If the committee has enacted LCP, which is a valid local rule, then, yes, everyone would use it when needed. I think you are a little confused on the rules vs what is being discussed here maybe? If you roll it, you are breaking the rules no matter what local rules are in effect. Which, again, is fine - play golf however you want, but it just doesn't make sense for people to say that they don't consider it cheating. The rules are pretty clear on this.

To your example, you can't do that because it is intentional to produce an inaccurate index. Also against the rules.

Why not just follow the rules and not have to worry about all of this? Just friendly advice.
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No Im pretty clear on the rules. I follow all rules when given down by a tournament committee when I am playing in the tournament. If I go play a money game and we all bump it in the fairway, to me that is not cheating.

As to my example, I would not be intentionally providing an inaccurate index if I was following the rules would I?? The rules give a penalty for improving your lie dont they?? '

And for my final set of questions, it didnt say anything about LCP. I play a bunch of 4balls that have improve your lie in the fairway set down regardless of conditions. I was asking the people who feel like moving is cheating, if they were playing in a tournament, in perfect conditions if they would still improve their lie.

[Lionstar]

[quote name='SurfDuffer' timestamp='1381749160' post='7998527']
How about when the fairways have been punched or in the winter. Does the holier than thou crowd play it down then too?
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I believe the official rules allow a free drop if your ball comes to rest in an aireation hole,,winter or summer.

[blaird]

[quote name='Fourmyle of Ceres' timestamp='1381756539' post='7998745']
Why mess around. Just stand next to the ball on each tee and "whiff" twice before actually hitting the ball. That's 36 easy strokes on your handicap right there, give or take the odd ESC adjustment.
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I mean I could if I really wanted to follow the rules but I dont whiff many shots so I guess that would be misleading. And if I do whiff I count the shot. My example was that if I follow the rules to the word when posting my score, I would have to add quite a few for improving my lie. So by following the rules and adding the penalty shots my handicap would be quite higher than what it is.

[somaplr]

[quote name='blaird' timestamp='1381757649' post='7998811']
[quote name='Fourmyle of Ceres' timestamp='1381756539' post='7998745']
Why mess around. Just stand next to the ball on each tee and "whiff" twice before actually hitting the ball. That's 36 easy strokes on your handicap right there, give or take the odd ESC adjustment.
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I mean I could if I really wanted to follow the rules but I dont whiff many shots so I guess that would be misleading. And if I do whiff I count the shot. My example was that if I follow the rules to the word when posting my score, I would have to add quite a few for improving my lie. So by following the rules and adding the penalty shots my handicap would be quite higher than what it is.
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Can't do that and post a score, sorry. Since the definition of entering a handicapped score is "trying to put forth the best score possible" you'd be violating that rule and not able to enter even an ESC score. But nice try. If you are intentionally incurring penalties, you are a double cheat. Moving balls and sandbagging.

[Fourmyle of Ceres]

IMO the handicap system is set up from the get-go on a joke of a premise. They want every round posted but they want only rounds that are "best effort" and "by the Rules". Did the guys setting up that system ever look around at what goes on every Saturday on golf courses around the country? Very, very few rounds are played "by the Rules" and plenty of people are out there messing about in ways that aren't "best effort".

All well and good. The system says "Well just don't post those rounds but post the others". Two problems. One, if you have any actual, functioning "peer review" at your club then someone's going to start asking why you're out there on the course fifteen times a month but only posting eight rounds of golf. They'll wonder if maybe you're just picking and choosing.

But the more fundamental problem is most golfers don't know exactly where to draw the line. It isn't like they're totally screwing around, standing in the fourth fairway making cluster divots like it's a driving range OR playing it down and putting it out, strictly applying the Rules like it's the US Frickin Open. Most of their play is in no-mans-land in between those extremes. So they might pretty much play it down and putt it out when playing solo but not pull the flagstick before putting (so which is that...penalty strokes, don't post, post and ignore the violation?) or their buddies might roll it in the fairway every single day in the dogfight (so now we're going to NOT post competitive daily dogfight rounds, the handicap committee will love that one), etc. etc.

The whole process is a joke. Garbage in, garbage out.

[blaird]

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[quote name='blaird' timestamp='1381757649' post='7998811']
[quote name='Fourmyle of Ceres' timestamp='1381756539' post='7998745']
Why mess around. Just stand next to the ball on each tee and "whiff" twice before actually hitting the ball. That's 36 easy strokes on your handicap right there, give or take the odd ESC adjustment.
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I mean I could if I really wanted to follow the rules but I dont whiff many shots so I guess that would be misleading. And if I do whiff I count the shot. My example was that if I follow the rules to the word when posting my score, I would have to add quite a few for improving my lie. So by following the rules and adding the penalty shots my handicap would be quite higher than what it is.
[/quote]

Can't do that and post a score, sorry. Since the definition of entering a handicapped score is "trying to put forth the best score possible" you'd be violating that rule and not able to enter even an ESC score. But nice try. If you are intentionally incurring penalties, you are a double cheat. Moving balls and sandbagging.
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So I cant move the ball but if I do dont count the penalty shots because then I am intentionally increasing my handicap??

[NJpatbee]

If I am playing for a handicap score or a money match I play it as it lies. If conditions are horrible in the fairway our group may agree to allow moving of the ball but it becomes practice, or who pays at the 19th hole at most. One of the rare situations where I will not play it as it lies is if ball is on a rock surface. If I cannot pick it easily I will declare it unplayable and take the penalty - the manufacturer will not just give me a new club after I ding it up. I am a high handicapper (17-18) and would only be hurting myself if I improved my lie and entered the score into the handicap system - I really need the strokes!. I will play a few practice rounds trying a multitude of shots but of course this is not official.

Bottom line to me - there is official golf played by the rules and also practice and fun rounds where people can bend the rules all they want.

[blaird]

I think I may have taken all of this a little off course. Like I posted earlier, moving the ball, to me, is not cheating. If you are playing in a tournament and the rules clearly state play the ball down and you still move it without penalty shots, then that is cheating. If you go out with your group and all agree to move in the fairway, or move it everywhere, to me that is not cheating.

Most of us dont play our regular game strictly by the USGA rules. We bump it, we forget to declare we have a 15th club, we tap down spike marks, we hit an extra putt, pick up our gimmes in the leather, and then we will post our scores from that round. You can call it what you want to, if you feel that is cheating well then ok, I dont.

[ABgolfer2]

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[quote name='502 to Right' timestamp='1381457708' post='7984813']
How is this a habit? It's flat out cheating. Thankfully I've never played with fools like this.
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How is it cheating if the score is inconsequential? The OP is talking about casual rounds not competition or rounds towards handicap.
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How is intentionally violating a rule NOT cheating?

Edit: I don't care what you do,but please don't try to justify it. You don't feel like you have to play by all of the rules. So you cheat a smidge. Say it proudly - unless you feel like there is something you have to explain? If that's the case, perhaps you should evaluate what you're doing.
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[color="#800080"]​ It is only a rule if it is 100% required or chosen prior to the shot. If i deems a round , no rules , no scores , that is that. If i do nots mark my ball on green ands roll it forward ands back to the spot , it is the same putt. I played in abouts 25 tournaments this year , ands these recent casual rounds , i coulds care what rule i may be breaking in a round i just want to hit golf shots. I just do nots want to waste mental stamina on rules not required. If i am goings to be called a cheater , i will tell you where to put that. If the pedestals have no room for me , i will keep hittings my golf shots. These arguments are nonsense. [/color]

[color="#800080"]​Cheating is only issues in tournaments ands yet to see it done in person. At times i wish i coulds move my ball , but it is required i leave it unless free drops.[/color]
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Do people actually rely on the chance of landing in a divot to practice hitting from one? Casual rounds not for score can be whatever someone wants them to be. If that includes scraping their ball out of imperfect lies, so be it. If a good player wants to practice hitting from divots they can do it during focused practice at the range.

[502 to Right]

[quote name='blaird' timestamp='1381764387' post='7999255']
Most of us dont play our regular game strictly by the USGA rules. We bump it, we forget to declare we have a 15th club, we tap down spike marks, we hit an extra putt, pick up our gimmes in the leather, and then we will post our scores from that round. You can call it what you want to, if you feel that is cheating well then ok, I dont.
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It is cheating. You are free to do what you want, it's not like the Golf Rules Police will arrest you, but let's call it what it is--cheating.

[blaird]

[quote name='502 to Right' timestamp='1381766921' post='7999451']
[quote name='blaird' timestamp='1381764387' post='7999255']
Most of us dont play our regular game strictly by the USGA rules. We bump it, we forget to declare we have a 15th club, we tap down spike marks, we hit an extra putt, pick up our gimmes in the leather, and then we will post our scores from that round. You can call it what you want to, if you feel that is cheating well then ok, I dont.
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It is cheating. You are free to do what you want, it's not like the Golf Rules Police will arrest you, but let's call it what it is--cheating.
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To you yes...to me no

[3GoodPutts]

I shot the lowest round of my life (73) rolling the ball over on the fairway, I think i missed one green all day. When I play it down i rarely break 80. Rolling the ball over (at least for me) is a huge advantage. I knew it was cheating that day, so I don't tell people my lowest round was a 73...

[scottiewingnut]

Hi, my name is Scott and I'm an ashamed golf cheat.
I too was thinking of this thread while playing yesterday. Me and a buddy who are low and mid single digit caps were getting in a round of fall golf prior to the Patriots game on an very average public course that is littered with leaves. The course blew the leaves off the fairway and about 5 feet of rough. We decided to not take penalty strokes for losing a ball in the leaves so we couldn't post our scores anyway and then we get to my tee ball on the 5th hole and I was way left next to a root. I could have practiced my 20 yd punch out and wedge to the green OR move the ball a few inches and challenge myself to try to hook it on the green. I unsuccessfuly tried the latter and surprisingly don't feel bad about it. I even tapped in a couple without pulling the flag stick.

Can only imagine how much longer that 5 hr 10 min round would have been if we had looked the full 5 miutes for each ball then figured out the exact spot to make the proper drop.

Clubs are going in the basement until I can pass remedial golf class and a playing test.

[MB_Viking]

This thread has shed some light for me as to how on earth some folks have such low handicaps...

[QuigleyDU]

I am pretty surprised by the number of people on here that get so upset about someone bumping a ball during a casual round with nothing on the line. If there is no money, no handicap, no skins, etc on the line I have no problem moving the ball. No anything competitive the rules better specify lifting before I will do it.

But a practice round where I am not even keeping a score card? Naa,

[blaird]

[quote name='scottiewingnut' timestamp='1381770186' post='7999711']
Hi, my name is Scott and I'm an ashamed golf cheat.
I too was thinking of this thread while playing yesterday. Me and a buddy who are low and mid single digit caps were getting in a round of fall golf prior to the Patriots game on an very average public course that is littered with leaves. The course blew the leaves off the fairway and about 5 feet of rough. We decided to not take penalty strokes for losing a ball in the leaves so we couldn't post our scores anyway and then we get to my tee ball on the 5th hole and I was way left next to a root. I could have practiced my 20 yd punch out and wedge to the green OR move the ball a few inches and challenge myself to try to hook it on the green. I unsuccessfuly tried the latter and surprisingly don't feel bad about it. I even tapped in a couple without pulling the flag stick.

Can only imagine how much longer that 5 hr 10 min round would have been if we had looked the full 5 miutes for each ball then figured out the exact spot to make the proper drop.

Clubs are going in the basement until I can pass remedial golf class and a playing test.
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Yes you should go to timeout...but not for rule breaking. But for Brady killing my saints with that pass at the end of the game!! I cried a little inside!!

[scottiewingnut]

[quote name='blaird' timestamp='1381771146' post='7999765']
[quote name='scottiewingnut' timestamp='1381770186' post='7999711']
Hi, my name is Scott and I'm an ashamed golf cheat.
I too was thinking of this thread while playing yesterday. Me and a buddy who are low and mid single digit caps were getting in a round of fall golf prior to the Patriots game on an very average public course that is littered with leaves. The course blew the leaves off the fairway and about 5 feet of rough. We decided to not take penalty strokes for losing a ball in the leaves so we couldn't post our scores anyway and then we get to my tee ball on the 5th hole and I was way left next to a root. I could have practiced my 20 yd punch out and wedge to the green OR move the ball a few inches and challenge myself to try to hook it on the green. I unsuccessfuly tried the latter and surprisingly don't feel bad about it. I even tapped in a couple without pulling the flag stick.

Can only imagine how much longer that 5 hr 10 min round would have been if we had looked the full 5 miutes for each ball then figured out the exact spot to make the proper drop.

Clubs are going in the basement until I can pass remedial golf class and a playing test.
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Yes you should go to timeout...but not for rule breaking. But for Brady killing my saints with that pass at the end of the game!! I cried a little inside!!
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I thought the Pats were going to get blown out. Then one of the butterfinger boys pulls down a catch like that for the win. I hope you aren't a Tigers fan as well.

[scottvw13]

Oddly, I practice out of divots and other bad lies on the driving range so I know how to play these shots out on the golf course without having to roll my ball

But I must have it backward! No need to practice these shots if I roll the ball out of the bad lies...

[blaird]

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[quote name='blaird' timestamp='1381771146' post='7999765']
[quote name='scottiewingnut' timestamp='1381770186' post='7999711']
Hi, my name is Scott and I'm an ashamed golf cheat.
I too was thinking of this thread while playing yesterday. Me and a buddy who are low and mid single digit caps were getting in a round of fall golf prior to the Patriots game on an very average public course that is littered with leaves. The course blew the leaves off the fairway and about 5 feet of rough. We decided to not take penalty strokes for losing a ball in the leaves so we couldn't post our scores anyway and then we get to my tee ball on the 5th hole and I was way left next to a root. I could have practiced my 20 yd punch out and wedge to the green OR move the ball a few inches and challenge myself to try to hook it on the green. I unsuccessfuly tried the latter and surprisingly don't feel bad about it. I even tapped in a couple without pulling the flag stick.

Can only imagine how much longer that 5 hr 10 min round would have been if we had looked the full 5 miutes for each ball then figured out the exact spot to make the proper drop.

Clubs are going in the basement until I can pass remedial golf class and a playing test.
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Yes you should go to timeout...but not for rule breaking. But for Brady killing my saints with that pass at the end of the game!! I cried a little inside!!
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I thought the Pats were going to get blown out. Then one of the butterfinger boys pulls down a catch like that for the win. I hope you aren't a Tigers fan as well.
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I thought it would be a good game and thats what it turned out to be. Brady is good. It wouldnt matter if I was out there trying to run routes and catch passes he could find a way to get me the ball. I thought we were gonna dodge one on that dropped pass at the goal line but we didnt.

And no not a tigers fan. I am a big Cubs fan so Im used to disappointment with them. But if they cant win then go Red Sox. Actually my old roomate and some of our friends went up this weekend and went to game 1 saturday night and the football game Sunday. That must have been a good weekend.

[Kuz013]

[quote name='3GoodPutts' timestamp='1381769593' post='7999673']
I shot the lowest round of my life (73) rolling the ball over on the fairway, I think i missed one green all day. When I play it down i rarely break 80. Rolling the ball over (at least for me) is a huge advantage. I knew it was cheating that day, so I don't tell people my lowest round was a 73...
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So your trying to say you shot 7 (or so) strokes better because you rolled the ball while in the fairway? how many times did you roll it out of divots? this seems like an aboslute ridiculous accusation to pick up 7 shots from rolling the ball

[OldGolfer87]

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[quote name='blaird' timestamp='1381764387' post='7999255']
Most of us dont play our regular game strictly by the USGA rules. We bump it, we forget to declare we have a 15th club, we tap down spike marks, we hit an extra putt, pick up our gimmes in the leather, and then we will post our scores from that round. You can call it what you want to, if you feel that is cheating well then ok, I dont.
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It is cheating. You are free to do what you want, it's not like the Golf Rules Police will arrest you, but let's call it what it is--cheating.
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If one is playing for money , handicap or anything else that appears to be "official" round .. i agree wholeheartedly that it can be called cheating ... however if not keeping a score , playing for any sort of money or posting a handicap and out for a casual round , getting some exersize or just a fun round with friends with absolutely nothing at stake .. i just don't see a problem with it ....and what i just do not understand is .. if it does not effect your round in any way, shape or form what is the big deal ?? Why do you care about what someone else is doing especially when it has nothing to do with what you are doing ..... just curious .. does it make you more of a man or golfer to be critical of what someone else does when playing a game when it has no bearing whatsoever on what you are doing ...... maybe you should pay attention to yourself instead of the actions of others

[blaird]

[quote name='Kuz013' timestamp='1381772142' post='7999835']
[quote name='3GoodPutts' timestamp='1381769593' post='7999673']
I shot the lowest round of my life (73) rolling the ball over on the fairway, I think i missed one green all day. When I play it down i rarely break 80. Rolling the ball over (at least for me) is a huge advantage. I knew it was cheating that day, so I don't tell people my lowest round was a 73...
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So your trying to say you shot 7 (or so) strokes better because you rolled the ball while in the fairway? how many times did you roll it out of divots? this seems like an aboslute ridiculous accusation to pick up 7 shots from rolling the ball
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Kind of wondered the same thing. If you only miss one green then rolling really didnt help, you just hit the ball good!!

[wobgon]

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[quote name='Fourmyle of Ceres' timestamp='1381756539' post='7998745']
Why mess around. Just stand next to the ball on each tee and "whiff" twice before actually hitting the ball. That's 36 easy strokes on your handicap right there, give or take the odd ESC adjustment.
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I mean I could if I really wanted to follow the rules but I dont whiff many shots so I guess that would be misleading. And if I do whiff I count the shot. My example was that if I follow the rules to the word when posting my score, I would have to add quite a few for improving my lie. So by following the rules and adding the penalty shots my handicap would be quite higher than what it is.
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Can't do that and post a score, sorry. Since the definition of entering a handicapped score is "trying to put forth the best score possible" you'd be violating that rule and not able to enter even an ESC score. But nice try. If you are intentionally incurring penalties, you are a double cheat. Moving balls and sandbagging.
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So I cant move the ball but if I do dont count the penalty shots because then I am intentionally increasing my handicap??
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Yep...