Men only clubs

[BG5]

I just can't believe that there are still clubs in the U.S. and in Europe that don't allow women members and in some cases women are not allowed in the clubhouse. Does this seem weird to anybody else? Time for these clubs to get with the times.

 

Nothing worse than a sausage party. We need women running Around in short skirts.

[Thrillhouse]

This will end well.

[buckI]

[quote name='Thrillhouse' timestamp='1388366834' post='8365025']
This will end well.
[/quote]

Was thinking the same thing and let it go….

[ghabanos]

Just curious... Where are these?

Of course agree that there should be a good mix...

[SatelliteGuy]

Don't have a problem with any group that wants to dictate it's membership.

As a matter of fact to suggest that the woman be allowed in so we can have " short skirts " running around is far more sexist than not allowing women members.

A private group of people should be able to dictate who they want in their particular group.

There are dozens upon dozens of organizations that have exclusive membership for one group of people or another.

Just MHO.

Except for that last part... That's a fact.

[FlyFish]

So does that mean that we should ban the hundreds of women-only athletic clubs as well?

[dlygrisse]

Right, and they should invite poor people to be members of Augusta National as well, because they don't currently have any.

[Yosef]

[quote name='DirecTVTechGuy' timestamp='1388367022' post='8365045']
Don't have a problem with any group that wants to dictate it's membership.

As a matter of fact to suggest that the woman be allowed in so we can have " short skirts " running around is far more sexist than not allowing women members.

A private group of people should be able to dictate who they want in their particular group.

There are dozens upon dozens of organizations that have exclusive membership for one group of people or another.

Just MHO.

Except for that last part... That's a fact.
[/quote]

That ended it. Lock it up!

[Agent Jim]

[u]Private[/u] clubs of any kind can do what they want. I'd love to belong to a club that bans idiots.

I belong to a club of strictly 300+ yard drivers (clubWRX)

[tapin15footer]

Sure, private clubs can do whatever they want (within the confines of the law)--after all, they are [i]private[/i] institutions. Whether or not there should be men-only golf clubs is not a legal question but rather a question better answered from a social and/or moral perspective. Simply because an institution is private does not mean that its practices have to be accepted by society. I, for one, do not think golf clubs should be able to outright ban women from joining--it's sexist, archaic, and simply unfair. Women haven't been afforded the same opportunities as men, historically speaking, and golf club membership is just a small part of that.

Just because the law makes no judgement on this matter does not mean it is right, in a moral sense. There are many issues untouched by the law, but this doesn't mean they can't be engaged with on a social level. The law is certainly not a complete, governing entity, and these are precisely the types of issues where society, collectively, is able to exert control through social influence. Condoleezza Rice becoming a member at ANGC was a big deal, and for good reason. In the wake of that announcement, there was a lot of pressure on other clubs to begin to admit women--at the very least, it stirred the pot and generated discussion.

[BrianL99]

"Discrimination" will always exist in this world, as it should.

Isn't one of the basic rights of humans, to associate with who they opt to associate with and eschew others?

How many strangers showed up at your family Christmas celebration? Probably none, because most of us choose to celebrate it with our "family", however that family is defined. We (consciously or not), banned strangers and unwanted guests from our Christmas morning with our "chosen few".

Or is it simply OK to privately discriminate on the basis of "family", but not gender, religion or race? Who gets to decide which discrimination factors are acceptable and which are not?

If we lose our rights to free association (& disassociation), we are one huge step closer to the Orwellian society described so many years ago.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.

[SurfinTurf]

Not even worth the time. No one will be convinced one way or the other.

I will just say that I worked in publishing and college textbooks are just recycled learning with a new veneer of PC indoctrination slathered over the top. Don't buy the 8th edition for 3 bucks. You'll need the 9th edition at $129.99.

We have the constitutional right to congregate and assemble however we see fit. Clubs are simply an assemblage of individuals that are acting within thier rights.

[teejaywhy]

[quote name='BG5' timestamp='1388366461' post='8364991']
I just can't believe that there are still clubs in the U.S. and in Europe that don't allow women members and in some cases women are not allowed in the clubhouse. Does this seem weird to anybody else? Time for these clubs to get with the times.

Nothing worse than a sausage party. [b]We need women running Around in short skirts.[/b]
[/quote]

Such an enlightened and progressive viewpoint.

[bNeill]

[quote name='teejaywhy' timestamp='1388425271' post='8368089']
[quote name='BG5' timestamp='1388366461' post='8364991']
I just can't believe that there are still clubs in the U.S. and in Europe that don't allow women members and in some cases women are not allowed in the clubhouse. Does this seem weird to anybody else? Time for these clubs to get with the times.

Nothing worse than a sausage party. [b]We need women running Around in short skirts.[/b]
[/quote]

Such an enlightened and progressive viewpoint.
[/quote]

I was just going to say... This better be a joke because the hypocrisy is too much for me to handle.

I would join a men's only club but it would be about golf and not misogyny.

[bNeill]

[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1388398902' post='8366515']
"Discrimination" will always exist in this world, as it should.

Isn't one of the basic rights of humans, to associate with who they opt to associate with and eschew others?

How many strangers showed up at your family Christmas celebration? Probably none, because most of us choose to celebrate it with our "family", however that family is defined. We (consciously or not), banned strangers and unwanted guests from our Christmas morning with our "chosen few".

Or is it simply OK to privately discriminate on the basis of "family", but not gender, religion or race? Who gets to decide which discrimination factors are acceptable and which are not?

If we lose our rights to free association (& disassociation), we are one huge step closer to the Orwellian society described so many years ago.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.
[/quote]

You're not using the word discrimination properly.

[SatelliteGuy]

[quote name='tapin15footer' timestamp='1388383243' post='8366261']
Sure, private clubs can do whatever they want (within the confines of the law)--after all, they are [i]private[/i] institutions. Whether or not there should be men-only golf clubs is not a legal question but rather a question better answered from a social and/or moral perspective. Simply because an institution is private does not mean that its practices have to be accepted by society. I, for one, do not think golf clubs should be able to outright ban women from joining--it's sexist, archaic, and simply unfair. Just because the law makes no judgement on this matter does not mean it is right, in a moral sense. There are many issues untouched by the law, but this doesn't mean they can't be engaged with on a social level. The law is certainly not a complete, governing entity, and these are precisely the types of issues where society, collectively, is able to exert control through social influence. Condoleezza Rice becoming a member at ANGC was a big deal, and for good reason. In the wake of that announcement, there was a lot of pressure on other clubs to begin to admit women--at the very least, it stirred the pot and generated discussion.
[/quote]

So I should be allowed to join a Women's Only gym?

Apply a principle, not a situational example.

Think about advocacy groups... If I wanted to join, but disagreed with the doctrine of said advocacy group, you think they would let me?

[BrianL99]

[quote name='bNeill' timestamp='1388426044' post='8368171']
[quote name='BrianL99' timestamp='1388398902' post='8366515']
"Discrimination" will always exist in this world, as it should.

Isn't one of the basic rights of humans, to associate with who they opt to associate with and eschew others?

How many strangers showed up at your family Christmas celebration? Probably none, because most of us choose to celebrate it with our "family", however that family is defined. We (consciously or not), banned strangers and unwanted guests from our Christmas morning with our "chosen few".

Or is it simply OK to privately discriminate on the basis of "family", but not gender, religion or race? Who gets to decide which discrimination factors are acceptable and which are not?

If we lose our rights to free association (& disassociation), we are one huge step closer to the Orwellian society described so many years ago.

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.
[/quote]

You're not using the word discrimination properly.
[/quote]

Perhaps you should consult the dictionary of your choice?

One can have "discriminating" tastes, one can "discriminate" on the basis of whatever they may chose as a criteria or one may "discriminate" as the word is used as a matter of law. I thought it right word to make the point and put in quotation marks to be sure people understand that I don't believe a "private club" that excludes women is discriminating in a legal since, nor in contravention of social norms.

[Agent Jim]

I don't see a bunch of big and tall men angry because they can't find clothes at Lane Bryant. Sometimes we just need separate places to go.

[HiSpeed48]

Freedom of association. And from a moral viewpoint I don't see anything wrong with it; women and men are different in many ways both physically and mentally. It's not the same as excluding someone based on their ethnicity or hair-color or something trivial like that.

[Agent Jim]

We have a large gym here in my city that is women only. No one I know has a problem with that at all. Because of my job I have been inside and I have to say it is the nicest gym I have even seen. I am happy they have a place where they can go and maybe be more self confident and not have to deal with men. I think we deserve the same thing.

[tapin15footer]

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[quote name='tapin15footer' timestamp='1388383243' post='8366261']
Sure, private clubs can do whatever they want (within the confines of the law)--after all, they are [i]private[/i] institutions. Whether or not there should be men-only golf clubs is not a legal question but rather a question better answered from a social and/or moral perspective. Simply because an institution is private does not mean that its practices have to be accepted by society. I, for one, do not think golf clubs should be able to outright ban women from joining--it's sexist, archaic, and simply unfair. Just because the law makes no judgement on this matter does not mean it is right, in a moral sense. There are many issues untouched by the law, but this doesn't mean they can't be engaged with on a social level. The law is certainly not a complete, governing entity, and these are precisely the types of issues where society, collectively, is able to exert control through social influence. Condoleezza Rice becoming a member at ANGC was a big deal, and for good reason. In the wake of that announcement, there was a lot of pressure on other clubs to begin to admit women--at the very least, it stirred the pot and generated discussion.
[/quote]

So I should be allowed to join a Women's Only gym?

Apply a principle, not a situational example.

Think about advocacy groups... If I wanted to join, but disagreed with the doctrine of said advocacy group, you think they would let me?
[/quote]

I can only think of one reason why you might want to join said gym, but addressing that isn't even worth my time. Most of the clubs that ban women are excellent golf courses, and I'm sure many women would love to be members so they could enjoy them the same way their male counterparts do. It's simply about equality of opportunity. Diversity is good for everyone.

[Agent Jim]

[quote name='tapin15footer' timestamp='1388459082' post='8371529']
[quote name='DirecTVTechGuy' timestamp='1388426045' post='8368173']
[quote name='tapin15footer' timestamp='1388383243' post='8366261']
Sure, private clubs can do whatever they want (within the confines of the law)--after all, they are [i]private[/i] institutions. Whether or not there should be men-only golf clubs is not a legal question but rather a question better answered from a social and/or moral perspective. Simply because an institution is private does not mean that its practices have to be accepted by society. I, for one, do not think golf clubs should be able to outright ban women from joining--it's sexist, archaic, and simply unfair. Just because the law makes no judgement on this matter does not mean it is right, in a moral sense. There are many issues untouched by the law, but this doesn't mean they can't be engaged with on a social level. The law is certainly not a complete, governing entity, and these are precisely the types of issues where society, collectively, is able to exert control through social influence. Condoleezza Rice becoming a member at ANGC was a big deal, and for good reason. In the wake of that announcement, there was a lot of pressure on other clubs to begin to admit women--at the very least, it stirred the pot and generated discussion.
[/quote]

So I should be allowed to join a Women's Only gym?

Apply a principle, not a situational example.

Think about advocacy groups... If I wanted to join, but disagreed with the doctrine of said advocacy group, you think they would let me?
[/quote]

I can only think of one reason why you might want to join said gym, but addressing that isn't even worth my time. Most of the clubs that ban women are excellent golf courses, and I'm sure many women would love to be members so they could enjoy them the same way their male counterparts do. It's simply about equality of opportunity. Diversity is good for everyone.
[/quote]Like I stated above, the women's only gym in my town is one of the nicest gyms I have ever been in. If I was a gym person I would want to be in a place like that. They even have an outstanding daycare area in the gym for their customers. I don't have kids, but I have a few male friends who would love that. I'm not jealous, I am happy the women who are members there have a place like that. If the demand was there for men, I'm sure they could have one also. If women want a nice place to golf, no one is stopping them from opening their own course.

I agree diversity is good, but isn't needed everywhere.

[Zeverson]

Preston Trail in Dallas is men only. Some of the members include:

Lanny wadkins
Lee Trevino
George W Bush
Troy Aikman

Micky Mantle was a member as well. It's a magical place.

[CHARGERS]

Burning Tree in Md

[OrlandoSean]

Adios in Coconut Creek.

[GoStars]

[quote name='Zeverson' timestamp='1388462577' post='8371927']
Preston Trail in Dallas is men only. Some of the members include:

Lanny wadkins
Lee Trevino
George W Bush
Troy Aikman

Micky Mantle was a member as well. It's a magical place.
[/quote]

Why yes.. Preston Trail is.

[Thrillhouse]

[quote name='Zeverson' timestamp='1388462577' post='8371927']
Preston Trail in Dallas is men only. Some of the members include:

Lanny wadkins
Lee Trevino
George W Bush
Troy Aikman

Micky Mantle was a member as well. It's a magical place.
[/quote]

Home of the Mickey mantle rule.

It states that members must wear "something" in the men's grill.

[Thrillhouse]

Oh, and whisper rock is men only too since we're listing courses. It too is a magical place, it's to golfers what disneyworld is to six year olds, it's awesome.

[Holy Moses]

These clubs know they will have to change their policies one day. Augusta knew it during the boycott. They just want to make the change on their time frame.

[Thrillhouse]

[quote name='Holy Moses' timestamp='1388550647' post='8377583']
These clubs know they will have to change their policies one day. Augusta knew it during the boycott. They just want to make the change on their time frame.
[/quote]

Augusta hosts a tournament though. I don't think Seminole or pine valley are interested in doing that (assuming they are still men only which I think they are, I tried to walk on at pine valley once but they said you have to be accompanied by a member and even if I was I couldn't play in the jorts and mustard stained tuxedo t shirt I was wearing that day, but that's another story).